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In a message dated 98-12-02 11:32:25 EST, you write:
<< From the Cedartown Standard (Cedartown, Polk County, GA) of April 18, 1901:
"Rev. E.A. Camp, was born in Gwinnet County, GA., August 20th, 1825; died in
Polk County,m GA., April 18th 1901, aged 75 years, 7 months and 28 days.
His father, James Camp, was born in North carolina in the year 1740,
served as a volunteer through the Revolutionary War, after which he
settled in Gwinnett County, GA., and died there in the year 1827, at the
age of 87 years. Rev. E.A. Camp was probably the only man at the time of
his death living in the state who was the son of a soldier who served in
the war of the revolution. Mr. Camp was married to Miss Sarah Garrett,
in Paulding County, Ga., January 2nd, 1848; seven children blessed their
union, three of which are living~ C.M. Camp, R.A. Camp, and E.A. Camp, Jr.
....."
Apparently the James Camp mentioned was the son of Thomas who married
Sarah Jennings and the brother of John Camp who married Mary Tarpley. >>
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Carole,
I am assuming that you are saying that this James is the one mentioned in the
above obit. The James you are referring to (son of Thomas Camp and Sarah
Jennings) was born 1765 in Va and died in 1817 SC and never, as far as I can
tell, went to Georgia and never had a son named E. A.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks,
Barbara Farris
Carrie Camp Memorial Library
The question of treason was covered extensively several months ago and I
cannot resend it. I do have hard copies of most of the exchange. If GMGRITS
will send me his address, at address above, I will mail copies of the
exchange. Dwight
To anyone who can help! I am trying to do Camp research for my daughters' DAR
applications and their father's SAR application. If you have copies of the
proofs of lineage and would be willing to share them with me, I will gladly
pay you. I live in GA and it is not convenient to go to SC to do the
research.
I recently found in the DAR files on Ancestry.com the records of my husband's
great grandmother's sister having used Thomas Camp, John Camp's father (John
married Mary Tarpley) to go into the DAR. I know that John Camp also fought
in the Revolution, but I am told that the Camp line to John is closed as far
as the DAR is concerned because he committed treason. Does anyone know
anything about this?
Any help will be appreciated.
Carole and all,
The situation means that we must do more research. I believe you wrote earlier
that our interest would be to endeavor to establish the facts, to the extent
that we possibly can.
I mentioned earlier that IO had some serious reservations about what we now
have as regards the Tarpley/Camp families, and wanted to do more research.
Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to do so personally. I have someone
in mind who is interested to tackle the job, but can't do so before late next
month. When she is available, I will give her several specific areas I want
looked at. We will see what that brings. In the meantime, anyone who has the
opportunity, should take on the job, keeping the rest of us informed to
minimize duplication of effort.
As to the "right direction", I believe you need to dig up as much information
about the Tarpley families in this general area as you can to determine if
there is any indication of a connection with the Camp line through another
family. I suspect there are other James Tarpleys in this place at this time,
possiibly less promionent than the family which has been generally credited
with the Camp connection.
Dwight
Carole,
I was glad to read your message re the Rev. E.A. Camp. I have long believed
the Gwinnette James Camp was someone other that the James of our interest, but
couldn't given a solid reason for it. Now I know. I may have seen the census
for 1820 and noted the age category of the head of household, but I can't find
a copy. Generally, I would have made a copy, but if I did so in this instance,
I have misfiled it, which is not an unusual occurrence.
There was a James Camp witnessing a deed in Henry Co. about 1821, which I
think may be our James, since his son, "Big-Headed" John, is found there from
about the same time.
Dwight
Dear Judith, Dwight and anyone else interested in the Tarpley line:
Okay, we have someone who states that James Tarpley didn't marry who we
think he did? How do we go about proving whatever is true. If what
Margaret MacDonald states IS the truth, this throws some pretty
serious holes in our ancestry. Where do we go from here?
I received in today's mail two books on floppy disk from Jeannette
Austin. One is the Peachy tome and the other a history of the
Camp line. I was pretty dissappointed in that I didn't see any
new information, just a reprinting of the Camp newsletters info
and the Mann books. The Peachey book is basically a rehashing
of the Camp info and both stop with line with the 1900 death
of my ancestor, James Seaborn Camp. None of his children were
listed and only one wife (his second) was listed. At least the
Camp newsletters included his children and all the way to my
grandfather who died in 1939.
As I said above, where do we go from here? I am very anxious to
uncover new and reliable information. I would be more than happy
to supply any resources, if someone would be so kind as to point
me in the right direction. I am very discouraged and feel that
I am constantly reinventing the wheel!
Regards to all,
Carole
Hi Carole, Dwight, and all else following this discussion.
I have the Margaret T. Macdonald article which Dwight has referenced. I
strongly recommend that anyone carrying a Camp-Tarpley union in their family
trees obtain a copy and read it. She not only brings into question James
Tarpley's marriage to Mary Camp, but also Thomas Tarpley's marriage to
another Mary Camp and the three Tarpley daughters (Thomas' sisters)
marrying into the Camp family. She concedes that there may have been a
Tarpley family which married Camps, but she strongly questions the linkage
with this James Tarpley and his sons and daughters.
Macdonald is very clear about which James Tarpley she is talking about.
This is the James Tarpley who is the son of James Tarpley and Mary
Biddlecomb. She supplies references to Mary, widow of James Bedlecomb (Sr)
who married "the wealthy Samuel Peachey" , etc. In her will she named her
granddaughters Mary and Elizabeth Tarpley and her daughter Mary Tarpley and
beneficiaries. Thus, I do not understand how those people who changed
their trees to reflect a union with Mary Oldham were confused about which
James/Mary union.
She says the original information on the Tarpley family came from a Zelma
Wells Price who wrote a series of books on her ancestry in 1963, titled "Of
Whom I Came, From Whence I Come." In Vol. VI, Part III, she wrote about the
Tarpley's and the Camp's. The source for this information was from "a
family source". Macdonald notes "It seems obvious that the material Mrs.
Price received on the Tarpley family was undoubtedly real family information
on a Tarpley family. Since, more than most, the Tarpleys used the same
names over and over again, she mistakenly joined the information she
received to the James Tarpley family of North Farnham Parish." Macdonald
believes that "Like many genealogical errors, this has been copied and is
being copied and reprinted today." and as a result identification of James
Tarpley's real wife, Mary Oldham, was delayed. She says Mary Oldham, b. at
Farnham Parish, 25 June 1712, is the daughter of John and Sarah Oldham.
Macdonald then sites the will of Mary's father in which he names his
daughter Mary Tarpley as proof and provides other information on land
ownership in the area for further support.
Macdonald also notes the wife of Thomas Tarpley shows up on various deeds as
"Susannah" not Mary (Camp). Also, she notes a James Tarpley, Jr., who had
a son named John Oldham Tarpley. The Oldham web site shows this as two
individuals, but apparently it is only one. Finally, Macdonald notes that
in the earlier Price book , Mrs. Price added two additional daughters to
the North Farnham Register list of Mary and James Tarpley's children:
Winifred, b. 9 June 1746 and Nancy (Anne) b. 6 Oct. 1750. Neither of these
two appears in the compilation of the North Farnham Parish registers. Price
says "all three of these women . . . married members of the Camp family."
Macdonald questions whether Mrs. Price has connected the correct Tarpley
family to the Camp family. Macdonald says that after James and Mary moved
from North Farnham parish to Brunswick County, they had four more children:
John, Charles, William and Winifred. She said not to be confused by the
recurrence of the name Winifred (also shown by Mrs. Price) as this was a
very common name for girls during the period.
Margaret Macdonald's research is very thorough with many footnoted
references. Like Dwight, I believe her findings deserve very serious
consideration.
Judy Wills
russjudy(a)ris.net
RESEARCHING: Ellis, Etheridge, Gamble, Griffin, Gray, Helme, Heslington,
Keith, Lawrence, Maidwell, McClintock, Perry, Powell, Scott, Stanley,
Wassell, Wills
Hi, Cousins,
I ran across this obit yesterday while checking a lead on my MOTHER's
line - the Brewers. Apparently this E.A. Camp was the preacher for
the church my mother's gggrandfather started by donating the land.
Odd, isnt' it how our ancestors (in this case, my mother's line with
my father's) crossed paths. This ancestor even named one of his
sons after this preacher, Rev. E.A. Camp. I'll just give the basics,
if anyone wants the full obit, please e-mail me privately:
>From the Cedartown Standard (Cedartown, Polk County, GA) of April 18, 1901:
"Rev. E.A. Camp, was born in Gwinnet County, GA., August 20th, 1825; died in
Polk County,m GA., April 18th 1901, aged 75 years, 7 months and 28 days.
His father, James Camp, was born in North carolina in the year 1740,
served as a volunteer through the Revolutionary War, after which he
settled in Gwinnett County, GA., and died there in the year 1827, at the
age of 87 years. Rev. E.A. Camp was probably the only man at the time of
his death living in the state who was the son of a soldier who served in
the war of the revolution. Mr. Camp was married to Miss Sarah Garrett,
in Paulding County, Ga., January 2nd, 1848; seven children blessed their
union, three of which are living~ C.M. Camp, R.A. Camp, and E.A. Camp, Jr.
....."
Apparently the James Camp mentioned was the son of Thomas who married
Sarah Jennings and the brother of John Camp who married Mary Tarpley.
My ancestor was the son of John and Mary and also named James. There
is a James Camp enumerated in the 1820 Gwinnett census that I had
assumed was "my" James Camp. This is the first time that I have
considered the possibility that there might be two James Camps in that
part of GA at the same time or that "my" James might not have been
there at all at that time. Can anyone shed any light on this?
Stiring things up, again (I hope!),
Carole
Ran across your E-mail today and interestingly find you are working on the
Brewer as well as the Camp lines.My great grandmother was Martha C.R. Camp,
orphan daughter of Russell and Martha "Patsy" Camp (Adams) and grandaughter of
Abner Camp. My grandmother was Leona Brewer Hearn (wife of my grandfather
George Justus Hearn Sr.), daughter of Alan and Mary Hailes (Hales-Hale)
Brewer. They all were from the Walton (Campton) and Gwinett County(Bethlehem
area ) what is since 1914 now known as Barrow County, Georgia. Since your E.A.
was born in Gwinnett Co I thought there might be some connection and will be
pleased to share any information I have on either line. I can be reached e-
mail at the following GHearn3(a)aol.com if you have any interest or by snail
mail at 209 W Highland Ave , Monroe Ga. 30655.
Hi Carole
Here is what I have, for what its worth.
The James CAMP born 1765, who was married to Sarah JENNINGS, was the
son of Thomas CAMP born 1717 and Margaret CARNEY.
The John CAMP born 1743, who was married to Mary TARPLEY, was the son of
Thomas CAMP born 1717 and Winifred STARLING.
Which makes James and John half brothers.
I dont know anything about Rev. E. A. CAMP, sorry.
Bill Bacon