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hello, thank you for this information
please, is it possible to have the editor and the author's name?
bibi
jp camp
>There is a book entitled "Ancient Families From the British Isles" that has
>all these trees in it. I'm a granddaughter of the IN Camps.
Hi Carole and Dwight and all else following this discussion.
I guess I am thoroughly confused now. I have just gone through the entire
exchange on "Who Was James Tarpley's Wife". It seems the consensus is that
James, b. 1657 was married to Mary Biddlescombe. (What is the correct
spelling, I have seen it spelled Biddlecomb as well?). Therefore I have
entered this on my tree showing her parents to be James Biddlescombe and
Mary.
Dwight raised a question about who James b. 1692 was married to, Mary Camp
or Mary Oldham. His message of Nov. 14, seemed to have merit until I
started looking at the names for this James' children. None of the trees I
looked at had a son named John, so the John Oldham he refers does not fit
with this James. (Is there a son no one else has on their trees named John
Oldham who is the son of James b. 1692?)
Carole, in her message of Nov. 11, believes the James that Mary Oldham
married was James b. 1692 's son James b. 1743 (or my direct line Thomas'
brother), but these dates don't fit either since Mary Oldham was supposedly
b. 25 June 1712. This third James was, however, married to an Oldham
(according to the Oldham family page web site). Her name was Tabitha
Oldham and they had a son named John and a son named Oldham.
Now, from Carole's message of November 11, I assume Marry Biddlecomb (sp?)
remarried after James Tarpley died in 1713. She married someone named
Peachey. Does someone have the full names and dates on these? I am having
trouble figuring who's who.
I am trying to get a copy of the "Virginia Genealogist" article by Margaret
T. MacDonald which Dwight references. Has anyone tried to contact her to
discuss her findings?
Carole and Dwight, please let me know if I have misunderstood your messages.
Judy Wills
russjudy(a)ris.net
RESEARCHING: Ellis, Etheridge, Gamble, Griffin, Gray, Helme, Heslington,
Keith, Lawrence, Maidwell, McClintock, Perry, Powell, Scott, Stanley,
Wassell, Wills
LAST NAME, First Name (MAIDEN); Age; Place of Death; Newspaper Name;
Newspaper date;
BAKER, Ida M (CAMP); 67; Metropolis IL; Paducah S (KY); 1998-10-31
CAMP, Ray; 79; Mableton GA; Atlanta Journal; 1998-11-7
CAMP, Evelyn E; 84; ; Seattle Times (WA); 1998-11-11
CAMP, James Alan; 34; Simpsonville SC; Spartanburg H-J; 1998-11-11
How can one ancestor cause so much TROUBLE ?
researching; CAMP, ERICKSON, COX, BATES in South Jersey, WHITAKER, FIELDS,
GARDNER in PA & NJ dc_rusty(a)msn.com
The refers to Carole Johnson's message of Nov. 11, as cited in Digest V98#190:
I have copies of the wills of both Samuel Peachey and Mary Peachey. I can
agree that they are both difficult to read, Sam's the more so. I think I can
supply many of the words Carole could make out in Mary's will.
Item: "I give to my Granddaughter Mary Tarpley my best bed and furniture
whereon I now lie"
Item: "I give to my Granddaughter Elizabeth Tarpley one young cow and calf"
Item: "I give to my daughter Mary Tarpley my Great Bible"
Item: "I give one half of the rest of --- Estate to be equally divided among
my daughter Mary Tarpley and her Children that now is" (Note: The "---"
appears as such in the will)
Item: "I give the other half of the rest of my estate to be equally divided
between James Biddlecomb's Children and my daughter Elizabeth Jones' children"
(Note: Elizabeth is abbreviated in the will in a matter often noted in
documents of the period)
The balance of the will reads as follows (where decipherable, that is):
"and I do make and ordain (blank - executor not named) to be my whole and
Sole Executor of this my Last Will and Testament. IN WITNESS whereof I have
hereunto set my hand and Seal this (unreadable) day of May 1713.
Signed Sealed and published in ye presence (indecipherable)
At Court held for Richmond County the third day of September 1713.
This will was presented to the Court by Mrs. Mary Tarpley and proved by John
Tarpley, Gent., who upon oath declared that he wrote the same by the direction
of the within named Mrs. Peachey deceased and that at the time of taking the
said direction to the best of his Judgement she was in perfect mind and memory
whereupon on the motion of said Mary Tarpley it is admitted to record_
Test. M. Beckworth Clerk of
Court
You will note that I read the dates as 1713, although admittedly only after a
lot of study, using a magnifying glass, and comparison with figures in the
preceding and following documents. The VA Archives also lists the record date
as 3 September 1713, and the document is found in the volume "Wills and
Inventories 1709-1717," pages 151/2.
On the basis of this document, Mary Peachey died between May 1713 and 3
September 1713.
This is a repeat of my earlier message, as requested. It is rewritten as the
original is no longer available
While Mann and Mann in their "The Camp/Kemp Family History" state that James
Tarpley (born 1692) married Mary Camp (born about 1708), no original source is
cited, nor have I seen any support for this position from an original source
in my own research (I added the birth years to assure we are all focussing on
the same James). My own research leads me to the conclusion that the wife of
James Tarpley Jr. was Mary Oldham. My sources are:
1. "Who Was the Wife of James Tarpley of Richmond and Brunswick Counties,
Virginia?" by Margaret T. MacDonald, published in "Virginia Genealogist", Vol.
37, No. 1, Jan-Mar 1993.
2. Will of John Oldham, date 29 January 1762 proved 6 September 1762, which
also names two grandsons, John and Thomas Hardford (Richmond Co., VA Will Book
6, p. 317). In his will John Oldham specifically refers to his daughter Mary,
as Mary Tarpley.
I also point out that their second son of James and Mary Oldham Tarpley was
named John Oldham Tarpley. Which follows a custom that was common in this
era.
There has been a lot of toing and froing over this in recent weeks, but in so
far as I am concerned no evidence has been offered to support the belief of
some that James Jr. married Mary Camp. My aim is to be accurate, and the above
sources do offer strong evidence supporting Mary Oldham. The MacDonald article
is available, so I suggest it is well worth reading. I believe it can be
accessed at the Family History Centers.
The above also responds in part to Carole Johnson's message of Nov. 11.
Dwight Allen
Dear Bob,
I'm sure we're cousins. Yes, I was referring to Bristow Oklahoma.
My line is from Thomas b. 1717 through his son Daniel. Sorry, the only
William I know was Daniel's son b. 1786 in Rutherford County N.C.
Paulette Camp-Jones
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>Paulette: Please excuse me for evesdropping, but you mentioned that
most=
> of
>your Camps lived in Bristow. My direct line goes from Camp to Bristow
>through the marriage of William Paris Camp (b 1857) to Martha Bristow.
I=
> am
>assuming your mention of Bristow is a town? My oldest known Camp was
>William P. b VA 1798, lived in TN and died in MO. Searching for
William
>P.'s parents. My Bristow ancestors lived in VA, KY, IN, IL, & AR. Do
we
>have anyone in common? Would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks.
Bob
>Colson
>
>paulette jones wrote:
>
>> Hey Sandra,
>> I didn't know you are in Tulsa. I'm in Edmond! Which line did you
say
>> you're from? Do you have any ancestors from Arkansas? Much of my
Camp
>> Family live in Bristow!
>>
>> Paulette
>>
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>> >Strictly my opinion, but the information on WFT is not necessarily
>> >documented, or even checked. I'm not the only one who's found
errors,
>> >surely.
>> >
>> >A well-meaning distant cousin submitted a large database I'd
Gedcom'd
>> to him
>> >over 10 years ago, complete with dumb notes to myself. Since that
tim=
>e
>> I've
>> >learned how to document better, and have made many additions and
>> corrections
>> >to that data. I would never have submitted my notes, other than the
>> source
>> >notes, in the first place. Now there is that awful database hanging
>> out
>> >there in front of the world, embarrassing me over and over again.
>> >
>> >WFT is good for clues, and sometimes you do get well-documented
data.
>> But
>> >too many people seem to take it as gospel.
>> >
>> >Sandra Delashaw Warden of Tulsa
>> >
>> >
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Paulette: Please excuse me for evesdropping, but you mentioned that most of
your Camps lived in Bristow. My direct line goes from Camp to Bristow
through the marriage of William Paris Camp (b 1857) to Martha Bristow. I am
assuming your mention of Bristow is a town? My oldest known Camp was
William P. b VA 1798, lived in TN and died in MO. Searching for William
P.'s parents. My Bristow ancestors lived in VA, KY, IN, IL, & AR. Do we
have anyone in common? Would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. Bob
Colson
paulette jones wrote:
> Hey Sandra,
> I didn't know you are in Tulsa. I'm in Edmond! Which line did you say
> you're from? Do you have any ancestors from Arkansas? Much of my Camp
> Family live in Bristow!
>
> Paulette
>
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> >Strictly my opinion, but the information on WFT is not necessarily
> >documented, or even checked. I'm not the only one who's found errors,
> >surely.
> >
> >A well-meaning distant cousin submitted a large database I'd Gedcom'd
> to him
> >over 10 years ago, complete with dumb notes to myself. Since that time
> I've
> >learned how to document better, and have made many additions and
> corrections
> >to that data. I would never have submitted my notes, other than the
> source
> >notes, in the first place. Now there is that awful database hanging
> out
> >there in front of the world, embarrassing me over and over again.
> >
> >WFT is good for clues, and sometimes you do get well-documented data.
> But
> >too many people seem to take it as gospel.
> >
> >Sandra Delashaw Warden of Tulsa
> >
> >
> >
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Sorry to butt in, Paulette, but where in TN are your Camps located? Mine in
Benton Co., TN (Camden). I personally don't know of a Camp Store even
though I'm in Memphis but perhaps Ed will. My Camp's as follows:
George Camp ???
Son: Henry C. Camp b. 1812 VA d?
G-dgt: Mary Hudson Camp Gossett b. 1842 d. 22 Mar 1900 Green Co., AR
If you can connect, would like to hear from you. Glenda in Memphis
============snip
>Dear Ed,
>It was I who asked Cragg...but I haven't heard from in a
>while...probably recovering from the elections you know.
>
>By the way, I met a delightful couple at church last night from Memphis
>Tennessee who said there is a Camp Store in (I believe) down town
>Memphis. Do you know the family...are we related?
>
>Paulette Camp-Jones
>
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>>From: ecamp(a)sewanee.edu (Ed Camp)
>>Subject: Re: Best Mac family tree software
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>>Barbara:
>>Thanks for all your work and for getting the Camp material
>>in the system. I'm from Thos III through Joseph Walter Camp
>>(my great grandfather), Thomas Wesley, and Charles Walter d1975
>>in Haynesville, LA.
>>
>>My wife and I have installed "Family Gathering" on our Mac 636CD
>>Performa, and have added some memory (but I've forgotten how much)
>>but we haven't been able to use it very successfully.
>>
>>My question is: What is your recommendation for the best genealogy
>>software for MACs?
>>
>>Thanks so much. By the way, my e-mail address does not need the
>>"seraph1" which was originally part of our campus e-mail at
>>The Univ. of the South, Sewanee, TN. I think it still works
>>that way, but it is shorter to address me at:
>>
>> ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>>
>>Incidentally, to whoever asked if Cragg Hines is a Camp descendant,
>>he certainly is. His mother was born Camp, and is my father's sister.
>>Cragg has probably already responded directly to the inquirer.
>>
>>I thought I was writing directly to Barbara Faris, but I see that
>>the "To:" above shows CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com. If this goes to 50,000
>>Camps, so be it. I only wanted a response from Barbara Faris! If any
>>one else has suggestions, I'd be happy to hear.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>Thomas Edward Camp Tel: 931-598-5657
>>209 Carruthers Road e-mail: ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>>P.O. BOX 820
>>SEWANEE. TN 37375-0820
>>
>>
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<< I think I had this previously but what is the web address/url for the
Camp Family Home Page that has the new book store banner? >>
====================================
http://www.new-jerusalem.com/genealogy/barbara/camp.htm
Hi Carole, Barbara, Dwight and Everybody Else involved in this discussion.
My question dealt with who was the wife of James b. 1665, Mary Oldham or
Mary Biddlecomb, since the information on various trees showed one or the
other. When I tried to enter the data for Mary Oldham, I found the dates
did not work out . . . and thus my query to the Camp-L discussion group.
Obviously I am not an original researcher of this information and am relying
on those of you who have developed this information. However, if Dwight is
correct that Mary Oldham's husband was James Tarpley, b. 1692 and not Mary
Campe, b. 1708, the dates for Mary Oldham would work! (This, however, is
NOT the James all of the trees on www.ancestry.com, the Oldham Family Page,
and the WFT CDs are showing, but then I suspect most of the research on
these trees are copies of an original source.)
Dwight, for those of us who were not on the list when you sent your data
that Mary Oldham, b. 1712 married James Tarpley, b. 1692, would you
re-submit your earlier message?
Thank you.
Judy Wills
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Dear Ed,
It was I who asked Cragg...but I haven't heard from in a
while...probably recovering from the elections you know.
By the way, I met a delightful couple at church last night from Memphis
Tennessee who said there is a Camp Store in (I believe) down town
Memphis. Do you know the family...are we related?
Paulette Camp-Jones
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>Barbara:
>Thanks for all your work and for getting the Camp material
>in the system. I'm from Thos III through Joseph Walter Camp
>(my great grandfather), Thomas Wesley, and Charles Walter d1975
>in Haynesville, LA.
>
>My wife and I have installed "Family Gathering" on our Mac 636CD
>Performa, and have added some memory (but I've forgotten how much)
>but we haven't been able to use it very successfully.
>
>My question is: What is your recommendation for the best genealogy
>software for MACs?
>
>Thanks so much. By the way, my e-mail address does not need the
>"seraph1" which was originally part of our campus e-mail at
>The Univ. of the South, Sewanee, TN. I think it still works
>that way, but it is shorter to address me at:
>
> ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>
>Incidentally, to whoever asked if Cragg Hines is a Camp descendant,
>he certainly is. His mother was born Camp, and is my father's sister.
>Cragg has probably already responded directly to the inquirer.
>
>I thought I was writing directly to Barbara Faris, but I see that
>the "To:" above shows CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com. If this goes to 50,000
>Camps, so be it. I only wanted a response from Barbara Faris! If any
>one else has suggestions, I'd be happy to hear.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ed
>
>Thomas Edward Camp Tel: 931-598-5657
>209 Carruthers Road e-mail: ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>P.O. BOX 820
>SEWANEE. TN 37375-0820
>
>
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Barbara,
I think I had this previously but what is the web address/url for the
Camp Family Home Page that has the new book store banner?
Paulette
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>Jeanette Cuthriell writes:
>"Info at the Camp website lists the marriage of James Seaborn Camp and
Mahalie
>Beavers as 21 Oct 1854 in Fayette Co., GA. If this is true, what is
the
>source of this info? I have the marriage listed as 10 Jan 1833, Henry
Co, GA.
>Which is correct?
>==============================================
>Camp-Kemp History Vol 2 page 58 and 59 states that it is in the Camp
Bulletin,
>Vol I, No 12, August 1930.
>
>Does anyone have any further information on this marriage date?
>
>Barbara Farris
>Carrie Camp Memorial Library
>
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Hey Sandra,
I didn't know you are in Tulsa. I'm in Edmond! Which line did you say
you're from? Do you have any ancestors from Arkansas? Much of my Camp
Family live in Bristow!
Paulette
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>Strictly my opinion, but the information on WFT is not necessarily
>documented, or even checked. I'm not the only one who's found errors,
>surely.
>
>A well-meaning distant cousin submitted a large database I'd Gedcom'd
to him
>over 10 years ago, complete with dumb notes to myself. Since that time
I've
>learned how to document better, and have made many additions and
corrections
>to that data. I would never have submitted my notes, other than the
source
>notes, in the first place. Now there is that awful database hanging
out
>there in front of the world, embarrassing me over and over again.
>
>WFT is good for clues, and sometimes you do get well-documented data.
But
>too many people seem to take it as gospel.
>
>Sandra Delashaw Warden of Tulsa
>
>
>
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Several Camp subscribers have emailed me privately asking for information on
how to get a copy of the book on Lebanon church in South Carolina. Here's the
address of the lady who has the book:
Polly Hellams
108 Nash Street
Fountain Inn, SC 29644
Evidently her aunt (now dead) wrote the book. The book is sold out, but Mrs.
Hellams will make copies of it--there are about 100 pages. She charges
$20.00, and that includes postage.
Peggy Puckett
Dear Dwight, Judith and others interested in the Tarpley line:
I received via snail mail this summer a packet of information from
a distant relative. She wrote a note "I found this at the Mormon Church
in L.A. in a book titled "From Where I Came, From Whence I Came: by
Zella Wells Price... this one was The Bolling Volume."
I believe it was a Judge Price that the Manns quoted. I am not
trying to say everything about the Tarpleys that I've discovered
is completely factual, but the James Tarpley that supposedly married
Mary Biddlecomb Tarpley Peachey died in 1713. How could he have
married (instead) Mary Oldham who was born in 1712? I thought that
Judith's information indicated that the discrepancy was with THIS
James/Mary combo. Now you are saying that the James Tarpley born
8 May, 1692 that I have marrying Mary Camp 5 Jan 1733/34 really
married Mary Oldham. Which one are we trying to prove?
The information packed sent to me this summer pretty much repeats
the Mann info, possibly the original source?
I have a copy of ______ Peachey's will (it is very difficult to read)
in which he mentions James Biddlecomb, his wife - but not by name-,
many others, including his "Goddaughter, the eldest daughter of James
Tarpley and Mary his wife . The will was
written in 1711 and proven in June 1712. James Tarpley died in 1713.
I also have Mary Peachey's will. I am assuming that this is Mary
Biddlecomb Tarpley Peachey. It is also difficult to read. Some of
it states: "Item - I give to Granddaughter Mary Tarpley my unknown
word bed and furniture unknown words...Item - I give my granddaughter
Elizabeth Tarpley one young unknown word calf...Item - I give to
Daughter Mary Tarpley my Great Bible....Item - I give one half of the
unknown words to go equally divided among my daughter Mary Tarpley
and her children that now is....Item - I give the other half of the
unknown word of my estate to be equally divided between James Biddlecomb's
children and my daughter unknown words children and do make and ordain
unknown words my last will and uknown words." I can't make out the dates
this was recorded and proven, but the will ahead of it was proven
September 1719. Mary Biddlecomb Tarpley Peachey died 16 Dec. 1718.
That Mary B. Tarpley/Peachey and James Tarpley had a daughter Mary
Tarpley, a granddaughter Elizabeth and of course, at least one
granddaughter named Mary Tarpley. One granddaughter named Mary
was the Mary who married John Camp. I wonder why she limited her
heirs and included the children of James Biddlecomb (her brother?)
Did she think that the others, including her sons, had ample
inheritance from her husband?
Now, as to the James Tarpley b. 1692, married to Mary Camp, b. 1708
and married 1733/34 - I have no proof that James' spouse was or
was not Mary Camp or Mary Oldham. But, again, I didn't think that was
Judith's question.
What is the proof that this James' wife was Mary Olhham? Any ideas
how we can sort all of this mess out?
Regards,
Carole
>
>Dwight Allen
>
>
I found this post on the Davis List and since it concerned a Union soldier
named James Camp from Michigan I thought it might be of interest to the CAMP
List.
Dave Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: gencon(a)harborside.com <gencon(a)harborside.com>
To: DAVIS-L(a)rootsweb.com <DAVIS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 7:42 PM
Subject: [DAVIS-L] STANLEY W. DAVIS (civil war)
>This is such a beautiful story...I will make is as short as I can, if
>any of you are interested in reading all about it, you can go to:
>
>http://members.aol.com/LenaweeMI/davis.html
>
>sorry it isn't highlighted, I don't know how to do that [yet].
>
>I was able to have sent to me, a letter written by a 2nd gr grand uncle
>Stanley W DAVIS..I just happened to be passing by Lenawee county web
>site, don't even know how I got there..I noticed a letter saying a
>letter written in 1864 by a Stanley W DAVIS of the 18th MI Inf. This
>letter was going to be auctioned off and the person writing the letter
>was wondering how to get in touch with a member of his family..she named
>Stanley W. DAVIS. I almost kept going, but the name Stanley caught my
>eye. Diane Oslund the hostess of the Lenawee site had rec'd a letter
>from a lady in London, England telling her about the letter; Diane put
>it out on the Lenawee Michigan site and I happened to see it!! I wrote
>the lady in London..after writing back and forth we decided this was
>indeed "MY" Stanley..she faxed me a copy and then sent a copy of the
>letter as soon as she recd it via airmail..here is Stanley's letter
>written 1864. I now have it over 134 years after it was written...
>
>Decatur, Ala.
>Aug 9th 1864
>
>Mr Camp.
> Dear Sir
> It is with painful feelings I have to address you on this unpleasant
>business. you doubtless heard before this of James death as the orderly
>wrote you immediately. I have been with the Co. but a short time and did
>not know James as well as most of the others. Since I have been here I
>have always known him as a good boy and one of the _best_ soldiers in
>the Co. I did not see him after he went to the Post Hospital. He had
>been there but a few days and none of us thought him dangerous.
>
> He left $13.40 in money, his clothing we boxed up and sent to you by
>express yesterday. The express charges had to be paid in advance. Where
>were $2.50 leaving in money $10.90 which I will send to you in this.
>Please let us know as soon as you receive this box of things, if all
>stright, and this money.
> The Regt. is very busy now, the Brig. of Inf. that has been here left
>and we have much more to do than formerly.
> There is considerable sickness in the Regt. now, more than we have
>had before in a long time. Several poor boys have died with disease
>since we've been here. It is pretty hard for men to come here and be
>sick and die with disease, but they are just as worthy, just as noble of
>heros as though they had been slain in battle. Only about eight months
>ago I lost a darling brother, one whom I truly loved, but he was taken
>not by disease, but was shot down while doing his duty, shot down by
>those wearing the same uniform of blue, drunken Kentuckyians. OH! Mr
>Camp this is surely a cruel war but one waged for great and holy
>principles, and in which I am willilng to spend my time till right and
>justice shall be established!
> Weather here is very warm has rained almost every day for a week.
>With much sympathy, I am your servant,
>Stanley W DAVIS 1st Lt Co "D" Mich."
>
>I have his brother Charles W DAVIS's papers from the war department and
>Stanley signed them, at the time I didn't know that was his brother,
>altho I wondered who Stanley W Davis could be, never once connecting it
>was his brother. Stanley later was wounded and captured at Athens, Ala
>on 24 Sep 1864; He was paroled 14 Nov 1864 and mustered out on 26 June
>1865.
>
>Charles' body and his personal effects were sent home to his father &
>mother, Joshua & Sophia (WILLIAMS) DAVIS signed by Stanley W DAVIS their
>son! Charles is buried at Churches Corner Cemetery, in Hilldale county,
>Michigan next to an infant son of his parents.
>
>Just another interesting note of history that came around..
>
>Wilma Fleming Haynes
>gencon(a)harborside.com
>
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Re: Carole Camp-Johnson's response to Judith of November 9.
As previously reported my data shows that Mary Oldham (born 1712) married
James Tarpley (born 1692) based on the sources I cited. What are the original
sources supporting Mary Camp for James' bride? (Please, don't cite Mann and
Mann's opus as an original source). And how are they cousins. There would
have to be an earlier family connection, but I have never found out what it
was.
Dwight Allen
Ed,
You might check on REUNION software. I have a cousin who uses it for his
MAC.
Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Camp <ecamp(a)sewanee.edu>
To: CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Best Mac family tree software
>Barbara:
>Thanks for all your work and for getting the Camp material
>in the system. I'm from Thos III through Joseph Walter Camp
>(my great grandfather), Thomas Wesley, and Charles Walter d1975
>in Haynesville, LA.
>
>My wife and I have installed "Family Gathering" on our Mac 636CD
>Performa, and have added some memory (but I've forgotten how much)
>but we haven't been able to use it very successfully.
>
>My question is: What is your recommendation for the best genealogy
>software for MACs?
>
>Thanks so much. By the way, my e-mail address does not need the
>"seraph1" which was originally part of our campus e-mail at
>The Univ. of the South, Sewanee, TN. I think it still works
>that way, but it is shorter to address me at:
>
> ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>
>Incidentally, to whoever asked if Cragg Hines is a Camp descendant,
>he certainly is. His mother was born Camp, and is my father's sister.
>Cragg has probably already responded directly to the inquirer.
>
>I thought I was writing directly to Barbara Faris, but I see that
>the "To:" above shows CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com. If this goes to 50,000
>Camps, so be it. I only wanted a response from Barbara Faris! If any
>one else has suggestions, I'd be happy to hear.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ed
>
>Thomas Edward Camp Tel: 931-598-5657
>209 Carruthers Road e-mail: ecamp(a)sewanee.edu
>P.O. BOX 820
>SEWANEE. TN 37375-0820
>
>