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Greetings!
I've been on the Cameron list for a few months, but I've never posted. There
were several messages yesterday that mentioned the various spellings of
Cameron. Anyone interested in this topic may want to check the spellings
listed on the Clan Cameron web site at...
http://www.clan-cameron.org
Click on Cameron septs, and then click on various spellings. There are many
versions of the Cameron name, and I just heard about a new one a few days
ago, Cameronson! It makes genealogy research both more difficult....and more
interesting!
I've done quite a bit of research on the Cambron name, and I'd be glad to
share info.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Jackie Cambron Sears
In a message dated 23/06/99 18:26:49 GMT Daylight Time, JackieMc(a)aol.com
writes:
<< Was
Camron the old original spelling of Cameron? I saw one of our Cameron's on
the census was spelled Camron. He was born about 1815 and born in Tenn.
>>
Hi listers,
I've always believed that the Highland surname comes from the Gaelic Camshron
- "crooked nose" although I don't have a reference for that. Maybe
something like "The Clan Cameron" by C.I. Fraser would help to authenticate
that?
Best wishes, Bob Cameron, U.K.
Just for the record -- Cambron and Camron and Camaron and Camran are all
spellings in the old parish records. Cambron may well have been the
"original" -- if there is such a thing. Sheila
In a message dated 6/23/99 10:35:41 AM Central Daylight Time, CAMLOV1(a)aol.com
writes:
<< I am interested in the location & years in Tennesse and also N. Carolina.
Was
Camron the old original spelling of Cameron? I saw one of our Cameron's on
the census was spelled Camron. He was born about 1815 and born in Tenn.
hoping to hear from you,
Laura Cameron Lovett
>>
Hi Laura,
In this scenario of locating a Camron/Cameron, Kings Loyalist,
we are in reference to the time frame prior to 1776, as it concerns the
Revolutionary War, between England and American Colonialists. The
war ended on July 4, 1776, when America defeated England, and won
it's independence. It's an Amercian National Holiday, that we will be
celebrating in a few days.
For the benefit of the folks in other countries, I will explain
the
area in concern. North Carolina was one of the 13 Colonies in America,
It contained at that time, the northern portion of what is now South Carolina,
all of Tennessee, and part of Kentucky. In 1796, North Carolina gave
land for Tennessee to become a state of their own. All this land still
adjoins
North Carolina, with the exception of Kentucky, as Virginia separates it.
According to " North Carolina Colonial Records", vol.x, 1775-76,
pg. 837, we have the account of a Cameron, being a Kings Loyalist, Deputy
Indian Affairs Officer, who had been captured by the Cherokee Indians.
Quote: " Henry Stuart was the King's Indian Agent and Cameron was his
deputy. They incited the indians against the rebels(American). Colonel
Christians answer to the first flag of truce was for the Indians to deliver up
Cameron before any peace talks would begin."
In another reference, " Virginia Magazine of History and
Biography", vol. 17, Jan to Oct, 1909, we find that the same person is
called "Camron-British Agent," trying to employ the Indians to kill two
rebels.
The Revolutionary War can be described as a civil war, only because
the fighting was on American soil, and the Atlantic Ocean. The King of
England had set up his agents in every political office in all the Colony's.
The Americans, mainly Irish and Scottish immigrants, who had left their
homelands for the same reasons, were being heavily taxed. They joined
as Volunteers of General George Washington's Army, to gain their freedom.
So, the term of King's Loyalists applies to the King's Agents,
placed
in America by his government, who had a stronghold of English dominance,
controlled and enforced laws of their own making.
I hope I've helped in my explanations, and references, I do not
proclaim to be a historian, but genealogy research forces one to learn
history,
places and times. That's what helps me in this hair-pulling hobby.
Hell to the King,
Jackie McMinn
In a message dated 6/23/99 8:46:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
<< Anyone interested in the location, ask away, I'll try to answer.
Yours Aye, >>
hello,
I am interested in the location & years in Tennesse and also N. Carolina. Was
Camron the old original spelling of Cameron? I saw one of our Cameron's on
the census was spelled Camron. He was born about 1815 and born in Tenn.
hoping to hear from you,
Laura Cameron Lovett
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob & Shirley <camcal(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
To: Jackie McMinn <JackieMc@aol,com>
Date: June 23, 1999 12:42 AM
Subject: Battle of Kings Mountain
>Hi Again Jackie,
> As a sidelight to this battle what is so strange is that Major"Bulldog"
>Patrick Ferguson was defeated by his own invention.The breechloading rifle
>used by the patriots in this event had been patented by Ferguson in
>December of 1776 and it is said it would have added tremendous firepower to
>the British Army instead of the Brown Bess musket they kept.
> I guess you could say that some credit should be given the
sharpshooters
>and the trees which they could hide behind to avoid the three waves
Ferguson
>sent in,and then possibly out of frustration when he himself led a breakout
>charge and was hit by seven bullets and was dead before he hit the ground.
>He rests to this day in Kings Mountain.
> This relatively minor battle of the 1780's caused Cornwallis to retreat
>south for his own safety little realizing that the 'rebels',their battle
>won, just went home.
> But it bought Washington the time he needed to regroup and rebuild.
> It's ironic you should mention this incident Jackie, as this was a
>research project I had to do (many years ago) but mainly dealing with the
>fact that "Bulldog" was defeated by his own invention.
> Bob Cameron, Cold Lake
>
Hi Jackie and other List users;
Another new term for my records. Pray tell, what is the differance
between a United Empire Loyalist and a Kings Loyalist.? Does it have to do
with locality?, or perhaps a certain time frame in regards to the
Revolutionary period ?
Some of us here in Canada use the term,"your first civil war" as it had
a strong resemblance to another less than a hundred years later.
My John Cameron,a resident of Mayfield, New York Province,at age 51
attempted to join the Kings Royal Regiment of New York, 1st Battalion,as had
his son Alexander.He was declared too old but the Regiment still used his
services on occassion as an 'observer' or guide.
After peace was declared in 1783 John and his family came north to the
Cornwall Ontario area as United Empire Loyalists. As such, we his
descendents are entitled to use the letters "U.E" or Unity of Empire after
our names. I even notice a few relatives south of the 49th tacking this
onto their name.
Robert (Bob) Cameron,CD2 , UE
Cold Lake
We keep an eye out still - haven't had much time for genealogy. Bruce's
pop and my dad passed away and his mom is in a care home. Thanks for
thinking of and remembering us. Diane & Bruce
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Have been looking for Peter Alexander Cameron born 1854 Ontario Canada,
was said to have moved to USA around the age of 16/17 - settled in Iowa -
married Eliza Jane Spaulding. Parents names were possibly but not
definitely John and Mary.
Thanks, Bruce
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In the book, CAROLINA SCOTS by D. Kelly and C. Kelly, it has a lot about
the Camerons -- but, of course, not MY Camerons. But it was still a good
book. He explains that many of the NC Scots were loyalists and gives
several reasons, two of which are that they still had relatives in Scotland
and hadn't had much luck fighting the Brits anyway. I am reading FIRST
SALUTE by Tuckman and it truly seems to be a miracle that Washington won.
So.... maybe our Camerons were going with the odds!
I would like more info on this gentlemen if you get anything. thanks!
;-)mary ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <JackieMc(a)aol.com>
To: <CAMERON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 6:35 PM
Subject: [CAMERON-L] Cameron Loyalist
> Hey Folks,
> Today I received info on a Cameron, who was a Kings
> Loyalist, in North Carolina and Tennessee before the Revolution-
> ary War, maybe this will give you some support of clues.
> He was a Deputy Indian Affairs Officer for the King Loyalists.
> I don't have a first name, but was once recorded as Camron, then
> to Cameron.
> Anyone interested in the location, ask away, I'll try to answer.
> Yours Aye,
> Jackie McMinn
>
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Hey Folks,
It seems that the Loyalists met theirWaterloo at Kings Mountain,
North Carolina, at Fench Broad River, when Gen. George Washington's
troops soundly defeated Gen Cornwallis'. I have accounts that the Loyalists'
were not prepared for battle they encountered, and it was not with luck.
Jackie McMinn
Hey Folks,
Today I received info on a Cameron, who was a Kings
Loyalist, in North Carolina and Tennessee before the Revolution-
ary War, maybe this will give you some support of clues.
He was a Deputy Indian Affairs Officer for the King Loyalists.
I don't have a first name, but was once recorded as Camron, then
to Cameron.
Anyone interested in the location, ask away, I'll try to answer.
Yours Aye,
Jackie McMinn
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I just joined this Cameron list
& found this message on my mail this a.m.
May I ask, Bruce, what Camerons
are you looking for from Ontario,
Canada?
I'm descended from Ontario Camerons
& would really like to know.
Perhaps you're looking for my
Camerons.
Please respond,
Rosemarie Novak
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Hi Folks,
I hope I was not the only one that noticed, but the Gentleman
who gave some info on Ontario, Canada, was the one and only
Bruce Cameron, your former Manager of the Cameron List.
I took over at his request, and welcome him back, and hope
that his relatives are well, that he had to leave to take care of. He's
a true Gentleman, and Cameron. You are all Good People.
He and his wife Dianne are LikeAngels.
Jackie McMinn
Cameron Descendant
Hi, I'm new to the list and thought I'd toss out this part of my wife's family. Anybody recognize anyone?
Thanks,
Keith Edwards
Descendants of Charles Cameron
Generation No. 1
1. CHARLES1 CAMERON He married EMILY VAN IDERSTEINE.
Child of CHARLES CAMERON and EMILY VAN IDERSTEINE is:
2. i. CHARLES HERBERT2 CAMERON.
Generation No. 2
2. CHARLES HERBERT2 CAMERON (CHARLES1) He married ELSIE BROOKS June 18, 1918, daughter of ELI BROOKS and HANNAH TAYLOR. She was born December 11, 1891 in Burnley Sub-District, Counties of Burnley and Lancaster, England, and died July 06, 1962 in New York.
Children of CHARLES CAMERON and ELSIE BROOKS are:
i. CHARLES VERNON3 CAMERON, b. March 22, 1919.
3. ii. FLORENCE MURIEL CAMERON, b. November 06, 1921, Saint John's, New Brunswick, Canada; d. December 14, 1990, Eustis, Florida.
Generation No. 3
3. FLORENCE MURIEL3 CAMERON (CHARLES HERBERT2, CHARLES1) was born November 06, 1921 in Saint John's, New Brunswick, Canada, and died December 14, 1990 in Eustis, Florida. She married HENRY WILLIAM KUHN, JR January 01, 1940 in Queens?, New York, son of HENRY KUHN and ROSE SCHEISSEN. He was born December 05, 1919 in Queens, New York, and died November 1995 in Eustis, Florida.
Children of FLORENCE CAMERON and HENRY KUHN are:
i. ARLINE BARBARA4 KUHN, b. July 28, 1940, New York; m. FREDERICK H. GRAY, JR, June 11, 1961, Massapequa, New York.
ii. HENRY BRENT KUHN, b. September 15, 1943, Saint Albanes, Queens County, New York; m. JOANNE ELIZABETH WIEBEL, January 07, 1961, Wantagh, Nassau County, New York; b. September 06, 1943.
rk; b. September 06, 1943.
Bruce A Cameron wrote here.........
>
> If you are searching Cameron's in Ontario : My husbands gggfather was
> born in Upper Canada (Ontario) in 1854 which would have made him around
> 17 years old. His name was Peter Alexander Cameron,
That name does not occur in the Index to the Census. Lots of Peters
though!
> we do not know
> exactly where but another person researching was thinking Grey County.
> It was rumoured that Peter's fathers name was John
John is such a common name: I noted three "strong possibles" bn Scotland
and living in Grey North or Grey South, ages 43, 38 and 43 at towns
Holland, Bentinck and Glenelg resp. I cannot check the next layer of
detail, which is to look at the Canada Archive films of the handwritten
Census record on microfilm, for which I could supply film # and page #
if required. Frankly, I wouldn't recommend this on such a narrow data
set.
> and he was from
> Scotland and his mother was Mary. Other rumours was that he may have had
> a brother George and a sister Elizabeth.
The Index does not identify relationships. Best leads for Index search
are name, age, occupation, religion, where living in 1871 by County and
Town. Inability to narrow the search, results in there being too many
possible hits to be processed in reasonable time.
> He left his family and went
> through Michigan- worked at a lumber camp and eventually settled in Iowa
> and became a farmer. This is what we have to go on and its not much.
You might consider a guy named PETER ALEXANDER CAMERON who is cited in
World Family Tree Vol 9, tree #2051. See if your library can display it,
on CDROM. I don't have access so far as I know.
Cheers.................
ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, Assistant at Mittagong N.S.W. F.H. Centre
CAMERON RESEARCH, Registered with N.S.W. Dept of Fair Trading.
P.O. Box 215 BUNDANOON N.S.W. 2578 AUSTRALIA
If you are searching Cameron's in Ontario : My husbands gggfather was
born in Upper Canada (Ontario) in 1854 which would have made him around
17 years old. His name was Peter Alexander Cameron, we do not know
exactly where but another person researching was thinking Grey County.
It was rumoured that Peter's fathers name was John and he was from
Scotland and his mother was Mary. Other rumours was that he may have had
a brother George and a sister Elizabeth. He left his family and went
through Michigan- worked at a lumber camp and eventually settled in Iowa
and became a farmer. This is what we have to go on and its not much.
Sincerely,
Diane and Bruce Cameron
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I have recently seen a list of major epidemics and dates in the
US........extremely useful in understanding why people suddenly disappear
from records, either by death or simply leaving the area. In Philadelphia in
1798 a terrible yellow fever...followed by other epidemics nationwide,
1831.....nationwide Asiatic cholera brought by English emigrants.......found
in Columbus, Ohio in 1833..New York the next year. Kentucky was hit very
very seriously........it was carried through contaminated wells and central
Ky. is on limestone which carried poisons from one well to another. Shallow
streams carried the poison. It was years before sanitation was recognized
as responsible...or lack of it. Frightened people escaped from one community
to another.......taking the disease with them. In l832-33 , 1848-54,
1866,1872 cholera simply devastated KY. Privies and cemetaries made it
worse.
In l832 Lexington lost 10% of its population within a couple of weeks.
Hi all, I am presently searching CAMERONS in the Index to Ontario Census
of 1871.
Do tell me, if you'd like a lookup with my compliments.
ONT only! tell me the target person name, age in 1871.
IF POSSIBLE tell me location ie county, town and where target was born.
Occupation?
ESSENTIAL! that you name specific targets. No sweeps for "John Cameron
in a southern district.." please
Cheers.........
ALISTAIR M. CAMERON, Assistant at Mittagong N.S.W. F.H. Centre
CAMERON RESEARCH, Registered with N.S.W. Dept of Fair Trading.
P.O. Box 215 BUNDANOON N.S.W. 2578 AUSTRALIA