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I recc'd this from my Hawkins list.... Think that it is worthpassing on....
Discussion group subscribers...
Q: How many internet mail list discussion group subscribers does it take to
change a light bulb?
A: 1,331:
1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light
bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.
53 to flame the spell checkers
156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb
discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list.
41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take
this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and
alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light
bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique, and what brands are faulty.
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14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected
URLs.
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and footers, and then add "Me Too."
12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversey.
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4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
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143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
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Do you have any Hawkins wills?
If you would share a copy, let the listowner know: patpnyc(a)escape.com They
would be posted at http://www.escape.com/~patpnyc/wills.htm with a credit
and email link to the submitter.
Looking for ancestors or descendants of James CAMERON, married to
Annis ? on February 2, 1852 at Potsdam, St. Lawrence Co., NY, They
lived at Canton or Colton, St. Lawrence Co. NY. Annis already had a
son, Charles, when she married James Cameron. Annis and James had
1) George Cameron - b. Sept. 1, 1853 2) Jane Cameron - b. April
21, 1856 3) James Cameron - b. July 26, 1858 4) Odelia Cameron-
b. June 30, 1862.
James Cameron ( the father) was killed in action in the Civil War
in 1864 near Middletown, Va. Annis applied for a pension in 1866. She
and the children were living in Canton, NY at that time. Any info on
this family, or a date of death or place of burial for any would be
deeply appreciated.
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Greg:
Thanks for your reply!
Bobbie
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:59:56 EDT G1CAM(a)aol.com writes:
>The only thing I have prior to 1808 is Absalom Cameron, born 1792 in
>Virginia
>and married Elizabeth Gallion 7 Mar 1812 in Grainger County, TN.
>Absalom died
>1850s in Grainger County.
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>Greg Cameron
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do you know who Absalom parents were? Or if he had a sister by the name of
Florence Cameron. I have some Camerons from Virginia but not much on them
yet.
My Florence Cameron's parents were John Cameron and Margaret Jones .
Florence was born in in the late 1700.
Thanks Sandy
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From: bobbiesmith(a)juno.com <bobbiesmith(a)juno.com>
To: CAMERON-L(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CAMERON-L] Your Postings
>Greg:
>Thanks for your reply!
>Bobbie
>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:59:56 EDT G1CAM(a)aol.com writes:
>>The only thing I have prior to 1808 is Absalom Cameron, born 1792 in
>>Virginia
>>and married Elizabeth Gallion 7 Mar 1812 in Grainger County, TN.
>>Absalom died
>>1850s in Grainger County.
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The only thing I have prior to 1808 is Absalom Cameron, born 1792 in Virginia
and married Elizabeth Gallion 7 Mar 1812 in Grainger County, TN. Absalom died
1850s in Grainger County.
Greg Cameron
-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Cambern [mailto:cambern@email.msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 2:15 AM
To: KYBOURBO-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [KYBOURBO-L] Beall/Bell family
I am interested in any information on the Beall/Bell family in Bourbon
County in the late 1700's-also the Cammeron/Camron family.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandi Gorin [mailto:sgorin@glasgow-ky.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 4:45 AM
To: KYRESEARCH(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: TIP 173 - MILITARY & CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT RECORDS
TIP #173 - MILITARY AND CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT RECORDS
Where can I find military and civilian government employee records? The
following information has been gathered from several sources, including
various books, web sites and from references made by Daily News from
Ancestry. My thanks to everyone, unknown to me, who took the time to put
everything together! Many of these cover all states, not just Kentucky.
When an e-mail address is given, you need to inquire of them the steps
necessary to obtain the information. Some might not provide the information
to the general public! Each link shown below will take the reader to other
sites - this is just a sampling.
AIR FORCE:
U.S. Air Force Historical Research Agency: HQ AFHRA/RSA, 600 Chennault
Circle, Maxwell AFB, AL 36112-6424 or E-mail:
AFHRANEWS1%RS%AFHRA(a)MAX1.au.af.mil
http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/
ARMY:
Army Center for Military History, 1099 14th Street, NW, Washington, DC
20005-3402, Tel: 202-761-5413
E-mail: cmhweb(a)cmh-smtp.army.mil. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/default.htm
U.S. Army Military History Institute, 22 Ashburn Drive, Carlisle Barracks,
Carlisle, PA 17013, Tel: 717-245-3611 or E-mail:
MHI-SC(a)carlisle-emh2.army.mil (Special Collections);
MHI-AR(a)carlisle-emh2.army.mil (Archives Collection);
MHI-HR(a)carlisle-emh2.army.mil (Historical Reference)
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/
COAST GUARD:
U.S. Coast Guard Historian's Office (G-CP-4), 2100 2nd Street, SW,
Washington, DC 20593, Tel: 202-267-0948. E-mail: rbrowning(a)comdt.uscg.mil,
sprice(a)comdt.uscg.mil or
http://www.dot.gov/dotinfo/uscg/hq/g-cp/history/collect.html
MARINE CORPS:
Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington Navy Yard, Building 58 Ninth and
M Streets, SE. Washington, DC 20374-0580. Tel: 202-433-3483 or
http://www.usmc.mil/
NAVY:
Naval Historical Center, Washington Navy Yard, 901 M Street, SE,
Washington, DC 20374-5060
Library: Tel: 202-433-4132 or Fax: 202-433-9553
Museum: Tel: 202-433-4882 or Fax: 202-433-8200
Operational Archives: Fax: 202-433-2833
Ships History Branch: Tel: 202-433-3643 or Fax: 202-433-6677
http://www.history.navy.mil/
CIVIL WAR:
Finding information on your Civil War soldiers:
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/cwss4.html
Grand Army of the Republic: http://pages.prodigy.com/CGBD86A/garhp.htm
14th Ky Volunteer Infantry (USA):
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1365/
Sons of Confederate Veterans Home Page: http://www.scv.org/
KOREAN CONFLICT:
State-level Lists of Casualties from the Korean Conflict (1951-1957)
REVOLUTIONARY WAR:
Library of Congress: http://lcweb.loc.gov/homepage/lchp.html
VIET NAM:
State-level Lists of Casualties from the Vietnam Conflict (1957-)
http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/korvnsta.html or
http://www.no-quarter.org/
WORLD WAR II:
Archival Holdings Related to World War II Checklist, NARA's Pacific Region
(Laguna Niguel)
http://www.nara.gov/regional/findaids/lagww2.html
Pearl Harbor List of Casualities:
http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena/activity/a/afrotc/www/names
GENERAL:
Medals of Honor: List of Medal of Honor recipients by conflict with
information about each honoree)
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
NARA's Military Personnel Records Center:
http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprhelp.html
NARA - Post Office Records: http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/postal.html
Sawtelle Disabled Veterans Home, Los Angeles List of Case Files (1888-1933)
http://www.nara.gov/regional/findaids/lagdav.html
National Cemetery System:
Department of Veterans Affairs, 810 Vermont Avenue, NW, Washington, DC
20420. Tel: 202-273-5221
E-mail: ncscss(a)mail.va.gov or http://www.va.gov/cemetery/index.htm
National Personnel Records Center, Civilian Personnel Records, 111 Winnebago
Street, St. Louis, MO 63118-4199 or Tel: 314-425-5761 or Fax:
314-425-5719 or E-mail: center(a)cpr.nara.gov (General information only, no
e-mail requests for records) or http://www.nara.gov/regional/cpr.html
Dept. of Veterans Affairs:
810 Vermont Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20420, Tel: 202-233-4000 or
800-827-1000
http://www.va.gov/foia/index.htm
National Personnel Records Center, Military Personnel Records, 9700 Page
Avenue, St. Louis, MO 63132-5100 or Tel: 314-538-4243 (Air Force records) or
Tel: 314-538-4261 (Army records) or Tel: 314-538-4141 (Navy, Marine Corps,
Coast Guard records)
Fax: 314-538-4175
E-mail: center(a)stlouis.nara.gov (General information only, no e-mail
requests for records.)
http://www.nara.gov/regional/stlouis.html
What is the NPRC? A wonderful write-up was recently given by "Daily News" by
ANCESTRY which I would like to abstract here; this is available to be shared
by them with permission.
"The National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) is one of NARA's regional
records services facilities. The center receives, stores, and services
federal, military, and civilian personnel records at two facilities in St.
Louis, Missouri: the Civilian Personnel Records (CPR) Building 111 Winnebago
Street, on the south side of the city of St. Louis and the Military
Personnel Records (MPR) Building at 9700 Page Avenue in St. Louis County.
"The Military Personnel Records Building houses military personnel and
medical records as well as the dependent medical records of former members
of the United States Navy and Marine Corps. A July 12, 1973, fire at 9700
Page Avenue destroyed nearly all of the records pertaining to persons
discharged from the Army before 1960 and about two-thirds of the records
pertaining to persons discharged from the Air Force before 1964. Alternate
record sources are used to attempt to document the service of such persons.
Although stored and serviced by NARA, the military personnel records remain
under the legal control of the Department of Defense and information from
the records in released following rules set by the military services, not by
NARA.
"Records held by the center include millions of military personnel, health,
and medical records of discharged and deceased veterans of all services
during the 20th century, medical treatment records of retirees from all
services, and records for dependent and other persons treated at Navy
medical facilities.
"The military personnel records include:
Air Force: Officers and Enlisted beginning Sep. 25, 1947.
Army: Officers separated beginning Jul. 1, 1917;
Enlisted separated beginning Nov. 1, 1912.
Coast Guard: Officers separated beginning Jan. 1, 1929;
Enlisted separated beginning Jan. 1, 1915.
Marine Corps: Officers and Enlisted separated beginning Jan. 1, 1905. Navy:
Officers separated beginning Jan. 1, 1903; Enlisted separated beginning Jan.
1, 1886.
(Earlier records are at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.)
"Medical records include:
Inpatient and outpatient clinical records for selected time periods
(http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprmpm.html for dates and a description of the
records included).
Inpatient, outpatient, dental, and mental health treatment records for
military retirees, dependents, and others created at military health care
facilities (see http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprmtr.html for more
information).
"The July 12, 1973, fire destroyed about 80% of the records for Army
personnel discharged between Nov. 1, 1912, and Jan. 1, 1960, and about 75%
of the records for Air Force personnel with surnames from "Hubbard" through
"Z" discharged between Sep. 25, 1947, and Jan. 1, 1964. NARA has more
information about the fire at: http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprfire.html
"Records available to veterans. Copies of most military personnel and
medical records at NPRC are available to veterans or the next of kin free
of charge. Requests must contain enough information to identify the record
from among the more than 70 million on file at the center. The information
needed to locate a record includes full name, military service number,
branch, and approximate dates of service. Unit(s) of assignment and date
and place of birth may also be helpful. For additional information on
obtaining personnel records, see:
http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprpub1a.html. For further information on
obtaining inpatient medical records, see:
http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprpub2a.html
"Records available for genealogy. Only limited information can be released
to the general public without the written authorization of the veteran or
next of kin, and NARA may charge fees for copies sent to other than the
veteran or next of kin. Information that may be released includes name, age
or date of birth, dates of service, source of commission, rank/grade and
date attained, marital status, promotion sequence number, city, state, and
date of last known address, serial or service number (but not social
security number), places of induction and separation, duty assignments,
dependents, (including name, sex, and age), unclassified records of court
martial trials, military education and schooling, information about
decorations and awards, and for deceased veterans, the places of birth,
death, and burial. For more information, see:
http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprpub1b.html. Standard Form 180, Request
Pertaining to Military Records, which is recommended but not mandatory, can
be downloaded from NARA at: http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprsf180.html
(c) Copyright 18 August 1998, Sandra K. Gorin, All rights reserved,
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Looking for family of William Cameron b in SC 1776. He was in GA from 1800 to
abt 1815 and in AL till his death in 1854. His family moved to Rusk Co TX by
1855. His dau Flora Ann Cameron b 1809 GA d abt 1865 Rusk Co TX, she mar
William Anderson Scott abt 1803 in GA. She also lived near brother James H.
Cameron and sister Ann L. Cameron who mar Francis L. Young near Henderson, TX.
William Cameron Sr. and his wife Annie died near Talladega AL.
I hope to share information about this family.
TIA
Mike
Thanks for all the welcome messages, much appreciated. Aberfeldy is in
Perthshire,just about in the centre of Scotland
Regards
Kay
-----Original Message-----
From: CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 17 August 1998 04:45
Subject: CAMERON-D Digest V98 #70
Kay,
Where in Scotland is Aberfeldy.I am looking for Camerons.My g.g.g. grand
mother Catherine, Married Archibald Mcqueen--at Bracadale 14.3.1840
before leaving for New Zealand. Her parents were; Alexander
Cameron---Catherine Mcleod.
Elsie Mcleod
I too live in Scotland and some of my Camerons came from the Loch Rannoch area
of Fortingal Parish, Perthshire. I have received help through this mailing
list from NZ. Let me know about your Camerons - names and dates - Aberfeldy
is quite near Loch Rannoch, 'so who knows, you might find a relative' - here
in Scotland.
What is Cameron-D Digest#69?
Please include your email address.
Regards
Mary
> I'm new to the list and maybe I should not be on it anyway as I live in
> Cameron country here in Scotland. My Camerons lived around the Aberfeldy
> area and not very many of them ventured forth,some did, so who knows, I
> might find a relative out there
> Regards
> Kay-----Original Message-----
> From: CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
> To: CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 16 August 1998 08:15
> Subject: CAMERON-D Digest V98 #69
> ==== CAMERON Mailing List ====
> It has come to our attention that when you post an inquiry to this or
any
> other list -- please be sure to include as much information as you can such
as
> birth/death date, birth/death place and marriage information. Also be sure
to
> include City, County, State/Province and Country, if known. This will give
> you a better chance of cotacting someone who is searching your lineage.
--- OffRoad 1.0 unregistered
Well, I've been debating rather or not to say a word or two here. I hope
that you do not drop from the list, Jeannie, and I hope you keep posting
relevant obits. Might I make a suggestion or two, though.
If there is a connection to Camerons, you might mention it somehow to
add relevance. That way we can know immediately if there is a
connection. This is especially useful if the connection is more than
once removed, so to speak.
Even if you don't mention the connection, what I normally do is run a
"Find" in the message with "Cameron" as the search term. I can then find
any references to the Cameron surname quickly and easily. Since Camerons
have intermarried with so many other families, I welcome your postings
and hope you will continue. I must admit, though, that I was a little
puzzled at first. I'm a bit slow at times, so it did take me a while to
see what was happening. I welcomed the clarifications that resulted.
Keep up the good work. Your efforts are appreciated.
--
Keith Cameron
Instructional Technology Consultant
Region 18 Education Service Center
P.O. Box 60580
2811 LaForce Blvd.
Midland, TX 79711-0580
(915) 567-3250
Fax (915) 567-3290
kcameron(a)esc18.net
I for one would love to read the John Cameron article. If the listowner
doesn't object, please send it to the list. Thank you, for your time.
Heather Cameron
C21NOREMAC(a)aol.com
Surnames{Cameron,(SC,TN,FL)
McCutcheon,Cooper,Graham,Gaskins,Singletary,Scott,McCallister/McAllister/McAli
ster, Fitzpatrick, Faulkenberry,}
Welcome, I think that there are some on this list who have "kin" who
arrived not to many years past so perhaps you will be able to help each
other.......Jeannie <><
-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Liney [mailto:kayliney@sol.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 1:04 AM
To: CAMERON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CAMERON-L] Re: CAMERON-D Digest V98 #69
I'm new to the list and maybe I should not be on it anyway as I live in
Cameron country here in Scotland. My Camerons lived around the Aberfeldy
area and not very many of them ventured forth,some did, so who knows, I
might find a relative out there
Regards
Kay-----Original Message-----
From: CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 16 August 1998 08:15
Subject: CAMERON-D Digest V98 #69
==== CAMERON Mailing List ====
It has come to our attention that when you post an inquiry to this or
any other list -- please be sure to include as much information as you can
such as birth/death date, birth/death place and marriage information. Also
be sure to include City, County, State/Province and Country, if known. This
will give you a better chance of cotacting someone who is searching your
lineage.
Welcome Kay,
I for one am glad to see a Lassie from Scotland who has Cameron
connections. It's always good to have visitors to our Message Boards, and
especially those of you who are still in the HomeLand.
Please be warned of those are trying to run a DEAR ABBY COLUMN,
who make indigitant remarks, and comments with a background of ignorance, old
women who have their panties in a wad from sitting in front of their computer
all day, and it's cutting of the circulation to their brain.
But enjoy the Cameron Message Board, we SINCERELY WELCOME YOU
!!!!! Jackie Mc
I'm new to the list and maybe I should not be on it anyway as I live in
Cameron country here in Scotland. My Camerons lived around the Aberfeldy
area and not very many of them ventured forth,some did, so who knows, I
might find a relative out there
Regards
Kay-----Original Message-----
From: CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com <CAMERON-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 16 August 1998 08:15
Subject: CAMERON-D Digest V98 #69
Enjoy!.....
-----Original Message-----
From: NAD [mailto:nald@rica.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 8:00 PM
To: CAMERON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CAMERON-L] John Cameron article
I'll be it is a WHALEY that got hung! Sorry, I could not resist!!!!!!!!!!
Nancy
SHIRLEY SCOTT WRITES:
I have a reprint of a 1891 article concerning a John CAMERON who faked
> his own death causing an innocent man to be hung.
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