Hi Jim,
I am getting anxious to get more of the DNA results back but realize that perhaps 10 of
them are 2 months away and there are 5 of them that will prove of interest to us...
Lets put it this way. If John b 1766 descendents match that of John of Mifflin, it
demonstrates at least a connection. If that Matches Isaac we can then all look in the same
direction for a common ancestor. What then would be needed is a Calvert of Thomas, Joshua
or John of Armagh...or some other descendent of one of the other males of this line. If
that would match, then we can ascertain that the common ancestry of all are back to John
of Armagh. Having DNA that then was documented back to George to match with John of Armagh
...now I know I am asking a lot but we have taken a giant step if John of Mifflin proves
out or doesn't. I am continuing to work for any Calvert Family group to a known
documented ancestor such that we can work through the many Calverts who cannot prove and
have a brick wall and at least know where to look.
The story of John George and William being brothers, and John being the fur trapper on the
upper reaches of the potomac r is the one to which I refer. That genealogy does not have
Isaac in it, rather William son of Reason who married Harriett Bryan. Reason would then
have to be placed...right now I have him with John Obediah Calvert b 1692, or John of
Deephole farm, the one who married Elizabeth Harrison. I think you can probably recall
that first I looked at Thomas b 1715 and Joshua trying to figure this out. Then spent
about 6 months on the Alias Harrisons. Reason is unplaced but in the right locale to do
so. If said John oBed married twice, that could be why no one can figure out the lineage
and hence the Alias Harrison stuff remains in a state of insoluable dilemma. The same
condition is affecting Harris and Harrisons as well.
David
"We make a living by what we get--
we make a life by what we give."
~ Sir Winston Churchill
-- "JAMES R RAY" <JRRAY4(a)msn.com> wrote:
David:
Valentine Hollingsworth married second, Ann Calvert, daughter of Thomas Calvert in County
Armagh in Ireland in 1672. This was a Quaker ceremony. Thomas Hollingsworth, son of
Valentine and his first wife, married first, Margaret Calvert, in 1687 in New Castle
County, now Delaware. She also was daughter of Thomas Calvert and it was a Quaker
ceremony.
Thomas Calvert had a third daughter, Elizabeth, and a son, John Calvert. Sons of this
John Calvert are Isaac, Thomas, Joshua, Daniel, and John. Joshua married Deborah Harlan.
John married Jane Mahan and started the Frederick, VA Quaker colony. Daniel married
Elizabeth Pritchett and had sons Daniel Jr., John, and Thomas. Daniel Jr and John were
proprietors of a pub in Chester Co. and if not Quakers at the time, were of Irish Quaker
heritage. All of above information may be found in either Albert Cook Myers, Immigration
of Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania, or Gilbert Cope, Cope's Notes.
----- Original Message -----
From: daipdq(a)juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:04 PM
To: CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CALVERT] OK: Rephrased, seeking descendents of Jacob J, William Sheperd,
John Pernell Calvert
Cathy,
I have not taken a hard look at Cecil I guess. Let me put it this way:
Somewhere, in my vision of these John Calverts, that the history of Mifflin and the
formation of Centre make it such that if John of 1766 and in OH has children born Mifflin
or Centre that he is the John calvert son of John Calvert of Mifflin County.
DNA will show us if those two family descents match or not. If you then take a look at
what might Isaac have done... it could be that he came from MD to Chester then west. if he
also is the son of John Calvert of Mifflin, where did they come from? We know there are
scattered records of Isaac and John calvert back in Chester, or in Somerset co MD or in
Queen Anne's Co MD. There is a marriage in Delware of Isaac to Elizabeth Gart. 1768. I
think this surname is a mistran. It is Garrs or Gars or Garsten or something. There are no
other Gart or Garths at all anyway. We have the story of other descendents of Isaac who
say he fought at Brandywine in 1777 and the stream turned red with blood.
We have also the story that Thomas Clare moved the millworks over the mountains from MD to
build his mills on Rudolph run of Dunkard Cr in Greene County...
There is a John Calvert in the Hollingsworth literature, noted as not being quaker,
presumed to be of the Baltimore Calverts. There is John and Daniel who obtain a permit for
a pub in Chester who are not Quaker.
One thing for sure is that it appears to me that John of Belmont OH 1766 is the son of
John of Mifflin. Isaac remains unattached but he came from some family to western PA/VA.
Your line hasn't got a past as yet and all that you find in your research is going one
of two directions.... In running across potentional Calverts, for me, I am seeking a John
or William Calvert or both and a third who had a brother George. This is the alternate
family line story...
I think though, passed down in family history is the single theme of the family coming
from Maryland, related to the Lord's Baltimore but not direct descendents, and they
came from "....Bucks and Lancaster, England...." according to a news article
quoting John D Calvert b 1804.
Which Bucks and which lancaser and does Lancaster mean Lancashire? I have found no
demonstration of the fact. But this John knew the living Aunties who were daughters of
Isaac Sisters of Thomas, both of whom would be over 90 at the time of the article in 1881.
David
"We make a living by what we get--
we make a life by what we give."
~ Sir Winston Churchill
-- "Cathy Berger" <o2bab(a)bedford.net> wrote:
David, I've been working on some Milligans who left Cecil Co, very near
Chester Co line, before 1800 and moved to Mifflin Co. Since my Sarah
Calvert was in Cecil Co, b abt 1800, I'm wondering if your John Calvert may
have also moved from Cecil or Chester Co to Mifflin Co. But I'm not having
much luck finding Calverts here, except the Baltimore group and the Quaker
group.
Cathy
----- Original Message -----
From: <daipdq(a)juno.com>
To: <CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:52 AM
Subject: [CALVERT] OK: Rephrased, seeking descendents of Jacob J, William
Sheperd, John Pernell Calvert
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Calvert Calbert Colvert Colbert (sic)
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/1070
Message Board Post:
Hi,
I am trying to sort through the ancestry of my family lines to John
Calvert and
Esther "Hetty" Jones and am seeking clarity, additional
information, etc on the descent which affects my family ancestry
specifically via the sister of the 3 brothers mentioned in the subject--Jane
and/or the youngest sister of all the Siblings, Sarah who married George
Elliott. Jane Married Benjamin Taylor.
There is a succinct possibility to tie the ancestry of several Calvet
families of
the era together, all of whom have reached an impasse. We know
that some of the Children of John Calvert b 1766 were born in Centre Co
PA(This relates to John Calvert of Mifflin County, Bald Eagle TWP.
Another two researchers are known to have John of Mifflin county in their
ancestral
line. Besides the tie between Darrell Elliott and myself via Jane
Calvert and Sarah Calvert, I have Isaac Calvert as my eldest known ancestor;
Darrell and I both believe that John b 1766 and Isaac born 1747 are related.
The fact that some of John's children are born in Centre County, PA also
indicates a relationship.
Having the DNA from the various families would clearly demonstrate if they
are from
the same common ancestor.
If you know of someone who is a male Calvert of the descent of John
Calvert or his
sons, noteably the 3 Jacob J, William Shepherd or John
Pernell Calvert (JR) I would greatly appreciate the help.
Thanks, David Bell
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