Jim,
Dean Mills and I hashed on that as well. I don't believe my family
is of the line. I haven't linked this to the Isaac b 1735, b1742 or b1749. I
haven't linked my Thomas as logically being the one recorded
as being b 1769 but that is possible(it seems improbably but possible.
At any rate the gap is to far between he and the Isaac of 1735. Note
that all three are attributed to being of Thomas and Sarah. I first
began looking into that Thomas of Joshua and Deborah Harlan line
and haven't found any definite linkage that proves anything. Maybe
I need to go back and try walking it forward again but I have been
going backwards.
That Dean Mills had found Thomas and Anna Ewing and thought they were
of his line. Please add a response to what book Smedly is so that
I can see how to obtain it....
Put this way: Joanne Calvert indicated that my Thomas is not in
O'Gorman's and I have the CD but haven't checked myself. So I am now
looking for he and Isaac in Greene Co PA and VA Northneck and North western because of
where Thomas Clare and Hugh Ewing were born and
also that Albert Gallatin was b in Monongalia VA with the family
ending up in Marshall CO, Tyler and Wetzel WVA as well as Greene Co
PA for Hugh and Sarah himself.
Even if this is a colateral line, it may demonstrate where to look or
how to look. But I do have a Thomas Colbert in VA Census 1820 30
Albert in 1840 and I think Thomas as well. But in the census of
1850, Elizabeth living with all the issue but the name calvert again.
Regards,
David Bell
Regards,
David Bell
--- "James Ray" <jrray(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote:
David:
The Isaac Calvert of Chester Co. according to a source was born in 1749 to
Thomas Calvert and Sarah Williamson. This apparently is in Smedley, but I
have not checked it out as I do not have a copy.
The Isaac Calvert of Greene Co. was married to a Frances, last name
unknown. She apparently died in Zionsville, IN where the Dyes moved, and
where she is buried in the Eagle village cemetery. Again, I have not
checked this out.
I agree there may be a mixup of Calvert families in Greene Co. I do not
know where Thomas and Ezechiel of the 1810 census fit in. Robert is in
the 1800 census for Greene Co., as is Isaac . Some of the problem, though
not with the censuses, may be that in the late 1700's, both Virginia and
Pennsylvania claimed this area. The Cotton family, married into by both
William Calvert and Rezin Calvert, was from Monongalia Co., VA.
I do believe that Isaac and Robert Calvert belong to the Quaker Calverts,
Isaac being the son of Thomas Calvert and Sarah Williamson. (from Smedley).
The will of Thomas Calvert in 1781 establishes that Isaac has a son Robert
(from Smedley). Isaac Calvert in the 1790 census of East Fallowfield in
Chester Co. has 1 male under 16, 3 males over 16, and 6 females. Of these,
only Robert, William, and Sarah Dye are accounted for, if, indeed, it is the
same Isaac.
Jim Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Edwin Bell" <daipdq(a)juno.com
To:
<CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CALVERT] Isaac Calvert
Hi Jim,
I actually responded to this last night and lost the email when
connection went down.
My line is Thomas (C.) b 1769 or 1784 M Anna Ewing
Thomas Clare b 1803 M Elizabeth Johnson
Alabert Gallatin b1830 m Mary A. Polly Cain
John Ewing b1856 M Martha Lemasters
Arthur Clay b 1876 M 2 Lena Essinger M3 Amanda Rose
Dorthey Lee b 1922 M Edwin Bell
To back up to the common thread though: I have two different sources
of Info on Thomas Father and both Show an Isaac who married either
Fanny or Frances LNU. I believe this to be Frances Bullitt do of
Cuthbert Bullitt. I have two lines documenting her, two sources of
doc for her. But note This is family is In VA and before that MD
which is where my line of Calverts and the Lemasters have the same
family story...VA and then MD.
This does not mean that the 3 Calverts in the 1810 Greene Co Census
are not my line. The Brother of Thomas Clare was Hugh Ewing Calvert B1805
who had a
son Reason (Resin/Rezin). Hugh Married Sarah Ann Miller
and they are both buried in PA. So there is a connection.
I doubt my two sources are correct. If Thomas (C.) was Commissioned by
Harrison for w of 1812, Ft. Meigs and Tippecanoe then I doubt his B/D
of 1769. Still more, It would seem odd that the Isaac of 1735 is then
the parent.
I have discussed this with Dean Mills who is going to Greene Co I
understand this
spring/summer for on the ground research. But he indicates
that Thomas is in his family line as well, who married Anna.
Just like my own research has indicated, there are too many 30+year
gaps unless Isaac had a second marriage and ditto Thomas (C.) b1769.
to Thomas Clare B 1803.
So when he and I were discussing it, we discussed the gaps.
I await anything Dean finds....he is a Descendent of George Dye by the
way.
There is a Ray Calvert who lives in PA who is also trying to sort this
out. He has visited my 2nd cousin Ray Calvert of Wetzel Co PA. I discussed
with him
the situation and he referred me to two other people, on a
Pyles(also one of my kindred Families). I am writing him
a synopsis as well hoping to sort this out but he returns to Wetzel
county in June.
I am pretty sure that there is a mixing up of at least 2 different
families here.
My sources for the family line have sloppy work, one a book by RD Furlong
entitled (Dulany-Furlong and Kindred families). The second
an investigation by a researcher from Wetzel County the outfit named
TimeTravelers, now defunct. They Both Show Isaac, one 1735, the other
BD unknown, one noting Fanny the other noting a Frances.
I know that Albert Gallatin was born in Monongalia Co. VA. His father
Thomas C., wife Elizabeth and all issue show born in VA in census records.
For a
time the family used the name Colbert but by 1850, after
THomas apparent death, the name in Census records indicates Calvert.
The name Documented in Hardesty's for Thomas(C.) THomas CLare and
ALbert Gallatin is Calvert.
One of those anomolies.
1810 Greene Co shows Isaac, Thomas and Ezekiel. They appear to be brothers
and
Isaac certainly of similar age category which couldn't be
the Isaac of 1735. Isaac b then would have been 40 at the time of
the battle at Brandywine. Ezekiel supposedly married a Rhoda DeBolt but
I haven't figured that out for sure though I did communicate with a
DeBolt family researcher in this regard.
I am familiar with your line to the extent of the orphaning of children
at 1781. Is it likely that this is the brother of Isaac b 1735 with
issue still minors? and do you have any direct tie to the line of
Quaker Calverts? or anything to make you believe that Reason, his
father or Isaac was a quaker?
It doesn't matter to me which line my thomas is in. I just want to
sort it out and find out where it goes.
Last there is Jesse McCandless Baker who has
OaktreeGenealogy.com
also with whom I have communicated.
I am slowly transribing hardcopy research my Mother and Father did
for many years. Mother tired of it about 1995 and turned it over to
me.
Lastly the farm where Reason is buried along with Lucretia lies near
the township of Deepwater in Cass county. The plot lies at the foot
of an area that was called Amarugia Highlands. This is about 17 miles
from the farm where I grew up......and the name of my trilogy of
Novella's is to be "Amarugia".
Regards, David Bell
--- "James Ray" <jrray(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I have just returned to the list and noticed with interest the thread on
Isaac
Calvert in Feb and March.
My gg-grandfather, Hiram Calvert, was born in Greene Co., PA in 1804.
Hiram founded
Hiramsburg, OH in what was later Noble Co., but in 1835 was
Noble Twp. of Morgan Co., OH. Hiram had three brothers: Isaac, Jabez, and
Reason. Their father Robert Calvert died in 1805 in Greene Co., PA,
orphaning the children. Their mother, Alice, was administratix for the
orphan proceedings and also administratix of Robert's estate. Bond was paid
by Isaac Calvert.
Isaac Calvert of Chester Co., did have a son named Robert. This is noted
in
Smedley, in a will (1781) by Isaac's brother Thomas who leaves a hat to
brother Isaac's son, Robert.
According to one source, which I cannot corroborate, Isaac had sons'
Robert and
William, and a daughter Sarah. But a Sarah Calvert did marry
George Dye in Greene Co., and both are found in Morgan Co., OH in 1820,
along with an older male and female. So also is William Calvert in 1830.
William Calvert and his nephew, Reason Calvert both married into the Cotton
family.
The link between the Calvert family of Greene Co., PA and Morgan Co. OH is
quite
strong. Not so strong is that between the Isaac and Robert of Chester
Co. and the Isaac and Robert of Greene Co. After the 1790 census, though,
the next instance of an Isaac Calvert in PA is that in Greene Co.
Jim Ray
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