Jim,
Regarding Dale Harlan...I copied out the pages of wetzel co. history book at wetzel
library. he discusses in his family history portion of
the book, grandpa said this and that. He of course was a grandson of
the harlan calvert line but he was not talking about Hampton Lee Calvert. He was talking
of his Harlan grandparent. Hampton lee is
my line and did not nor did anyone of this line ever indicate the
irish line of ancestry. I spent 8 days in wv and was toured around
by Ray Calvert, son of Vance Ranlett Calvert. I obtained a photo of
a pencil drawing of Albert Gallatin and his wife Mary A. "polly" cain.
Many stories. On saturday or sun, my first week, John Pyles came over
to ray's house and spent 3 hours visiting. John, bro of Bryce Pyles was a hoot as was
ray. Ray talked about his grandfather, David Webster
who walked from Silverhill to Blacksville and back, including a twp
called fairview? haven't listened to the tape but DW's favorite saying was sigh by
god. I have at least two good stories to relate on that.
HL died at the calvert farm and is buried there on the knob where albert g and polly are
buried. I have a photo of the stone. the only
thing left now is the celler house. the barn and house are gone but i have a photo of the
house and barn from 1969.
I am not sure of what to make of Hiram but I think the info I passed to you is of your
line. Don't go overboard on it because I have been unable as yet to seperate the
various ancestors and make it work. Dale
Harlan I abelieve is now deceased. I spoke with eloise baker last fall
and she pointed me to him. I called all over Portland and the various towns where he lived
and could not find him(this is my opine).
Too many poeple read HL calvert as saying this and that in that family history but i
cannot believe that it was HL and cannot recall Dale's
Harlan ancestry. There is only 1 calvert in that cem and that is his
wife or his father's wife.....can't recall which now. Dale was an attny
and documented as much as he could. what i found was a treasure but
with so much "mixted up things" the best I have to go on are 3 dif.
references to Calverts to Isaac, Ida's letter and a presumption in the beginning that
your line is different than mine, or, we are both
following things which are not proved, have no data, etc.
The letter from Ida settles it for me along with family heritage from both the calvert and
lemasters lines.
My visits were fruitful in most cases. Greene co library at the U is so extensive as to
require a good bit of
time to sort it out and which books to look in. nothing i looked for there really helped.
Wetzel and Marshall were good as they had separated records out from the generic for
calverts so it was much easier for me to find references. Green Co. Cthouse is a mess.
That co. with so much historical heritage should be
doing something to preserve and present documents. Loudoun co va and
fairfax proved fruitful. I went to watersford va union cem to get photos and only found
possibly 4 of the ones i was looking for. Louden
itself provided much documentation and may tie into the calvert alias
harrison saga.
I hope someone can go spend time at Mon co. If you look at how
Greene co was formed it demonstrates the controversy over records.
part from here or there etc. most from VA and some from old PA and
it was something that will take another visit. Must include Lafyette co
and others. see the usgenweb site.
finding the blacksville stuff is crucial to me. IT shows that
the two lines are separate along with letters and notes and now 3 sources that show Isaac
father of my thomas c., son of Cecilius. There
is william calvert mixed in but i have not sorted that out nor Reason
calvert.
HE's son, reason is not the reason of cass mo, which was the question I was asking
before of yourself and others. so much for that.
Your isaac is not my isaac but their issue and ancestors is being
mixed among at least two, possibly 3 or 4 family lines.
I know I probably added more complexity to the issue. My associate family researchers
breathed a sigh of relief based on what I have found thus far....we are sure that Thomas
is our thomas, and your thomas is
a different one. apparently Isaac is not your isaac though being
mixed up with the isaacs b 1740s. this has been my feeling all along
without proof, just bibles etc from the family and tradition that says
not quaker.
I will add this: If your isaac was at brandywine, he is not the isaac
of Josh. and deborah. I do not think that early that the separation of
faith is as succinct as to firmly attribute isaac to J and D. more of
the mixing I believe. But that is my interpretation of events and people etc.
The Harrison Connection in my line vexes me to no end. It is the reaqson I have looked so
hard at the calvert alias harrison(harris)
saga. IF Cecilius b 1702 is the ancestor(No known marriage or issue) is one thing. If
Thomas Calvert Alias Harrison is the ancestor is another.
At fairfax co. cthouse i did find one document on thomas alias
signed that way. I have an 86 page document on this so if you want to peek at it, let me
know. That re searcher says that this line of claverts is def. not quaker. in the period
of time prior to the rev or maybe before 1800, their names were based upon behaviors. This
researcher supports my contention about where my line(possibly yours)
originated.
take all this with a grain of salt. Isaac came to greene co in the late 1700s. Thomas is
documented as being a millright and establishing
a saw mill and grist mill on dunkard creek. etc.
Add to what I showed in the Ida letter and other items she wrote, the very least of which
demonstrates that many people are looking for
their ancestry in a mixed up line of calverts(colbert, colvert, etc).
David
"Time is intemperate--it slides, blindly trying to find the way into hidden
places--In those spaces, time falls--hearts yearn, I."Excerpt from the Poem Time by
David Edwin Bell
--- "James Ray" <jrray(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote:
David:
Thanks so much for your reply.
Look forward to your conclusions and any data you may provide later. I do
agree that there is sure a mixing of Calverts here.
Some items do puzzle me.
(1.) In your previous e-mail to CALVERT-L: You show Robert Calvert, will
book 1, page 72 of Cumberland Twp. Liza J 8 31 1804 to Alice Calvert bond,
95 lbs., by Isaac Calvert and T Livingston.
Then:
Sarah Calvert, Mary Calvert, Abraham Miller...Widow for keeping children,
Negro for digging grave, Jess was 6 years 8 mos., jabey 4 yrs, Rezin 2,
Hirim 1.
The above seems to be my Hiram Calvert. In Orphans Court (1808) for Greene
Co. I have this:
"On the petition of Alice Calvert widow and administrator of Robert Calvert
late of Greene County deceased setting forth that the said Robert Calvert
left children Isaac aged eight years, Jabez aged six years, Rezin aged five
years, and Hiram aged four years..."
(2.) This is probably coincidental, but the mention of the names Harlan's
cemetery and Dale Harlan remind one of Deborah Harlan, grandmother to Isaac
Calvert of Chester. And, curiously Brandywine Creek does run through
Chester Co.
(3.) It seems almost biblical that Isaac atttains 122 years of age and his
wife 110.
Jim Ray
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