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Classification: Query
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This is the family used in the SCAM in Kansas. They threw the Broyles in to the SCAM also.
Lots of children
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Surnames: Calvert/Plant/Storey
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-Danielle Calvert: trying to locate you regarding your Calvert posting that mentioned your grandmothers' maiden name was Plant,and her mother's maiden name was Storey----.....I am hoping there is a connection with the Plant/Storey side of the family. Please contact me,My grandmother was a Storey,and my mother was a Plant. Sandy
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My great grandfather was William Calvert, oldest son of Price Arnold Calvert. William died during the Civil War. I have census records that list the children of Price Arnold, including Thaddeus, Mark, John, Grace, Ellen, Henson, and Price Jr. I would love to hear from anyone in this line.
Beth,
my Cousin Joel is a male of Calvert Descent. I have verified through
6 generations and am working on the two preceding. He will definitely participate. I cannot as I am Calvert related via my mother but the family is very interested in this. David (daipdq(a)juno.com)
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde
-- Beth Calvert <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
We need to have a discussion on the pros and cons of the 12- and 25-marker
tests. Hopefully, below is a very brief and non-technical explanation, as
I understand it.
Changes in the DNA markers will occur over many generations. Some markers
change more frequently than others.
The markers selected for the 12-marker test will change slowly. The
markers for the 25-marker test include those listed in the 12-marker test,
plus an additional 13 markers that change more frequently than those of the
12-marker test.
I would expect that most test participants are related to the family of
George Calvert, the 1st Lord Baltimore. If this is true, then 11 or 12 out
of 12 markers should match for all the participants, because these 12 DNA
markers would be unchanged over several hundred years. The extra 13
markers in the 25-marker test will help define branches of descendants,
because these 13 markers would change more frequently.
The 12-marker test can be used to determine that there is a common
ancestor, but not who that ancestor is. The additional 13 markers in the
25 marker test help to refine the different branches of the descendants.
I would encourage the use of the 25-marker test for participants that
expect to be related to George Calvert, the 1st Lord Baltimore.
This is just a basic explanation. If you are interested in the topic,
there is a rootsweb DNA mailing list. To subscribe, place "subscribe" in
the subject line in an email to DNA-L-request(a)rootsweb.com. This list is
very active.
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My father is a Calvert - from Alabama. His line is from John Davis Calvert
(father) - Samuel - James (who died at Rock Island POW camp, grave #199) - John
- Joseph - William. After William it gets a little hazy. My father has
interest in the DNA testing. This is my first posting on the listserv so I'm not
sure what to do next. Any suggestions?
Rebecca Calvert Williams
Columbus, GA
I have making a note of everyone who is interested in DNA testing. It
looks like there is enough interest that we could have group testing. The
next step would be to select a testing company.
To Beth Calvert
I am interested in participating in the DNA testing.
Our male line goes back at least six Calverts, maybe more--at least to
William b. 1752
George Calvert b. 1928
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Calvert" <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: [CALVERT] DNA group testing
> It looks like there are already 5 participants who are strongly interested
> in DNA testing. If we actually got started, it should not be too hard to
> find one or more participants so that our group would qualify for a group
> discount.
>
>
>
>
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>
Beth,
Since you are the lead person in this, can we give you the honor of setting
up the testing? I am not too keen in paying a large amount of money for
the testing---just my normal parsimonious nature. But, I will go along
with the group. The next question is confidentiality. If some of us find
that the DNA testing shows some minor indiscretion by our forefathers and
fore-mothers---I do not believe we would want it published too widely.
Hopefully, there will be a mix of the several Calvert lines in the
test. That way, we can validate each line.
Jim
At 02:24 PM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
>I have making a note of everyone who is interested in DNA testing. It
>looks like there is enough interest that we could have group testing. The
>next step would be to select a testing company.
>
>
>
>
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>Calvert Brogan at calvert-admin(a)rootsweb.com
I'm in for the 25 marker test.
Ken Calvert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Calvert" <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: [CALVERT] DNA group testing
> It looks like there are already 5 participants who are strongly interested
> in DNA testing. If we actually got started, it should not be too hard to
> find one or more participants so that our group would qualify for a group
> discount.
>
>
>
>
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writers. Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or
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>
I contacted FamilyTreeDNA for information concerning testing. They are one
of 3 or 4 companies that offer DNA testing. They provided the response
below. Some points of interest include: setting up a group project with
an administrator, 12 versus 25-marker tests.
>From: "Bennett Greenspan" <bcg(a)familytreedna.com>
>To: "'Beth Calvert'" <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net>
>Subject: RE: Calvert DNA study
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:42:40 -0600
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
>Importance: Normal
>
>Hi Beth
>
>Here's the Family Tree DNA HOW TO for Surname projects.
>
>After you have had a chance to digest the info, drop me a line when you
>are ready to start your project and I'll assign you a Project Page at
>Family tree DNA.
>
>
>Starting a Surname Project
>
>
>Below are some tips and techniques for the Group Administrator to start
>a surname project, as well as the pricing available for Surname
>Projects.
>
>1. Establish the Project objectives
>
>The Y chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for a
>mutation about every 500 generations. Testing the Y chromosome will
>provide you with a genetic finger print consisting of 12 or 25 numbers.
>By comparing this finger print to others with your surname, you can
>determine if they are related.
>
>The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few:
>
>Identify others who are related
>Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors
>Solve brick walls in your research
>Determine a location for further research
>Validate existing research
>
>Often a Surname Project has multiple objectives, and the objectives may
>even change over the life of the project.
>
>Most Surname Projects start with the objective to identify others who
>are related, and through out the project the other objectives are
>achieved simply as a result of the project.
>
>2. Select either 12 or 25 markers
>
>The next step for your Surname Project is to decide whether you test 12
>markers or 25 markers. Family Tree DNA recommends establishing the
>Project with the 12 marker Y chromosome test. 12 markers are sufficient
>to determine whether or not two people are related. In addition, the 12
>marker Project Price of $99 is more affordable for participants,
>enabling you to recruit more participants.
>
>The value of the 25 marker test occurs when two participants are related
>based on the 12 marker test. When participants match in the 12 marker
>test, the test can be upgraded to 25 markers for a small additional fee
>of $90. The objective of the upgrade to the 25 marker test is to reduce
>the time frame of the common ancestor between the matching participants.
>The common ancestor also referred to as the Most Recent Common Ancestor,
>or MRCA.
>
>Typically, participants are very interested in upgrading their 12 marker
>test to 25 markers when a match occurs. Two individuals are considered
>related for the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, and sometimes
>with 10/12. In the first two situations, an upgrade to the 25 marker
>test is recommended.
>
>3. Jump start your project
>
>The easiest way to jump start your Surname Project, and to get others
>interested in participating, is to find the first two participants.
>Participants must be direct male descendents, since the Y chromosome is
>passed from father to son. If you are a direct male descendent, you are
>50% of the way to jump starting your Surname Project. You'll need to
>find just one other participant.
>
>Most likely you have had contact with others with your Surname during
>the course of your family history research. One course of action is to
>select a few of those contacts and write them a letter or email about
>your project, and ask them to participate as the genetic representative
>for their line or family.
>
>When you get a second participant from this group - you have achieved
>your jump start for your Surname Project, and you are ready to sign up
>more participants. If you were unable to get a second participant,
>expand your contacts until you do.
>
>4. Recruiting Participants
>
>Now that you have jump started your project, recruiting participants
>becomes easier. You might want to revise your letter/email to include
>information that testing has begun with genetic representatives from two
>families/lines, to determine if they are related. Including a brief
>family history of these two families/lines often stimulates interest.
>
>Develop a list of potential participants to whom you will send an
>email/letter. Start with those who you have had contact with in the
>past regarding your family history research. Don't eliminate the
>females - they may have a brother or father whom they could ask to
>participate. Asking for help finding a genetic representative for their
>family is one approach that often works well.
>
>You can find additional potential participants from searching the net,
>and also online telephone books.
>
>5. Getting the Word out
>
>If your surname has an association, be sure to notify the association
>regarding the project. Send them a brief explanation of the project
>that they could post on a web site or put in a newsletter.
>
>Post news about your project to any appropriate mailing lists and
>posting sites.
>
>6. Stake a Claim with a web site
>
>A web site is not required for a successful Surname Project, but may
>help potential participants find your project. There are many sites
>where you can create a web site for free, and many have tools which make
>it quick and easy to create a web site.
>
>Start with a simple site, telling people about the project. Once you
>start getting results back for the participants, you can easily add a
>chart and other information to the site.
>
>7. Extra, Extra - read all about it
>
>Once you start getting results back for participants, you now have
>Genetic Genealogy News for your web site, your project participants, and
>others interested in your Surname family history. You might consider
>creating a short Newsletter about the project and the results to date,
>and mail this to your list of potential participants and any one with
>interest in your family history. Be sure to include a paragraph with a
>request for participants.
>
>------
>
>As a registered Surname Project at Family Tree DNA, your project will
>receive Project Pricing and a set of tools for the Group Administrator.
>The Surname Project Pricing is:
>
>12 marker Y-DNA test $99 + postage
>25 Marker Upgrade $90
>25 marker Y-DNA test $169 + postage
>
>The Group Administrator tools include access to the Surname Project at
>the Family Tree DNA web site, where you can easily order kits, track
>participants, and down load results.
>
>You can register your Surname Project at Family Tree DNA by committing
>to just six (6) 12 marker Y-DNA testing kits for $99. Credit cards are
>accepted with our Verisign secure on-line order system.
>
>Thank you for your interest in Family Tree DNA. If we can provide any
>additional information or answer any questions, please contact us.
>
>To see how our Group Admin Page looks and works please click here:
>
>http://www.familytreedna.com/ftGroups.asp?kit=Demo-1&code=Y6944&ga=True&
>yt=True&mt=True&a2=0&sd=False&pat=False
>
>
>Remember, DNA is the Gene in Genealogy!
>
>E-mail any time.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Bennett Greenspan
>President
>Family Tree DNA
>www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
>
>"History Unearthed Daily"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Beth Calvert [mailto:bcgen@bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:37 AM
>To: bcg(a)FamilyTreeDNA.com
>Subject: Calvert DNA study
>
>
>We are considering starting a Calvert DNA study. Could you please send
>information?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sincerely,
>Beth Calvert
This is my cousin Bill Bailey's, dna site. He has several families in the
project.
He is doing a tremendous work and you can have just about any question you
have answered here:
http://dnastudy.baileyconnection.com/dnainfo.htm
Debra
MD Calverts
It looks like there are already 5 participants who are strongly interested
in DNA testing. If we actually got started, it should not be too hard to
find one or more participants so that our group would qualify for a group
discount.
Please let me know when you get 5 others, I will definitely do it.
Ken Calvert
calvert(a)wam.umd.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Calvert" <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: [CALVERT] DNA group testing
> To qualify for the group rates, a minimum of 6 participants is required.
>
> Estimated cost per test from http://www.familytreedna.com/ website:
> Y-DNA: 12 Marker Match: $159 for individual; $99 (group rate)
> Y-DNA Plus: 25 Markers Match: $229 for individual; $169 (group rate)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Beth,
Sign me up for the group rate on the 12 marker match.
Jim
At 06:12 AM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
>Only direct line males with the surname Calvert can provide the sample.
>
>To qualify for the group rates, a minimum of 6 participants is required.
>
>Estimated cost per test from http://www.familytreedna.com/ website:
>Y-DNA: 12 Marker Match: $159 for individual; $99 (group rate)
>Y-DNA Plus: 25 Markers Match: $229 for individual; $169 (group rate)
>
>At 11/27/2003 07:33 PM -0600, you wrote:
>>What is the cost and where does one have to be to have DNA collected? My
>>father is a Calvert. Can only male descendants do it? Vicki K. Calvert Spen cer
>>http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/p/e/Vicki-K-Spencer/
>
>
>
>
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To qualify for the group rates, a minimum of 6 participants is required.
Estimated cost per test from http://www.familytreedna.com/ website:
Y-DNA: 12 Marker Match: $159 for individual; $99 (group rate)
Y-DNA Plus: 25 Markers Match: $229 for individual; $169 (group rate)
Hi:
I have a male who would participate who has at least 8 generations of
Calverts before him, 9 in the works and a suspected but not proven
10th. I myself can't do this but the son of my Cousin Thomas can do so.
Please advise me on what is planned and how to go about this.
Regards,
David Bell
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde
-- Beth Calvert <bcgen(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
At 12/2/2003 08:22 AM -0600, you wrote:
>I assume this will be only for Men?
Yes and no. :-)
The DNA sample will need to be supplied by a male with the surname Calvert.
However, anyone who is interested can help with the group
study. Participation, other than providing a DNA sample, might include
paying for a test, finding a distant male cousin that could represent your
line for testing, or providing a documented genealogy.
In my case, I would be paying to have a male relative's sample tested and
can provide a genealogy for that sample.
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We would probably need to have samples from 6 different males. This would
allow us to get a group discount at the testing company. I will have to
check on what the minimum number is required to qualify for a group discount.
At 12/2/2003 08:22 AM -0600, you wrote:
>I assume this will be only for Men?
Yes and no. :-)
The DNA sample will need to be supplied by a male with the surname Calvert.
However, anyone who is interested can help with the group
study. Participation, other than providing a DNA sample, might include
paying for a test, finding a distant male cousin that could represent your
line for testing, or providing a documented genealogy.
In my case, I would be paying to have a male relative's sample tested and
can provide a genealogy for that sample.
I assume this will be only for Men?
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth Calvert [mailto:bcgen@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:47 AM
To: CALVERT-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CALVERT] Calvert DNA testing
Is there any interest in doing a group DNA study for the Calverts?
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Beth,
Please let us know the cost and procedure.
Jim Calvert
At 07:36 AM 12/2/2003, you wrote:
>We would probably need to have samples from 6 different males. This would
>allow us to get a group discount at the testing company. I will have to
>check on what the minimum number is required to qualify for a group discount.
>
>
>
>
>==== CALVERT Mailing List ====
>Have you written a Calvert book or other Calvert publication? Do you have
>a Calvert-related item for sale? Please contact the listowner for
>instructions on posting!