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yes jim, i do have the bible, and yes, accorrding to what i found out in the past from my mother in law, you and my husband should be related.
her name was gerleen caldwell, married to wilson caldwell, his dad was dillard caldwell
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i'm not for sure about it, but i will ask and find out for you. i know the caldwells after they left the catalochee went out to several places.
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The reason I'm interested in this bible, if it is the one I referred to in my original message, is that I have an ancestor named William Caldwell who was born around 1741 or 1742. I have no information as to where he came from, who his parents were, or what other Caldwells he may be related to, but he was in northern Mecklenburg Co., NC at least as early as 1768. He married a daughter of Edward Givens, who had come from Augusta Co., VA and was one of the earliest settlers in the Davidson's Creek settlement. William Caldwell died in 1801.
All I can remember about the bible I referred to is that it had a William Caldwell with a birth date in 1741 or 1742, as well as a number of other persons listed, including an Ann Caldwell.
If the bible you have is this one, I would love to get a photocopy of the appropriate page(s) or at least have a list of the names and birth dates it contains.
I have been researching the Caldwell family (families) for a number of years and have often wondered if the Caldwells up around Canton, NC are related to my branch or any of ther other Caldwells I've traced who lived in the North Carolina Piedmont.
Your help is most appreciated.
You would be doing a great service to all CALDWELL researchers if you would
be willing to post all the information in this Bible to this list. That
way, the information would be preserved in the Archives for all future
genealogists and bless many.
It would also eliminate your receiving multitudes of questions from
people for years to come about it, since they would be able to see what names,
dates, places, etc. it contains.
Thank you and God bless you.
Martha
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Does your Bible by chance list a Martha Caldwell from Wise County Virginia ?? Maybe from Tazewell or Pcahontas Virginia ?? She is my grandmother . Please reply to donaldandlorene(a)comcast.net if you would . Thanks . Lorene
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hi my name is connie , married to a caldwell, he's from canton n.c., his family is the catalochee family, we have the original caldwell bible that dates many, many years back
Hey List
I was wondering who on this list Caldwell's came out Cataloochee?
Thanks
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Jim Waddell
Programmer/Network Administrator
Greenville Water System
To: John Caldwell,
I went to your website and you had some great research material and history
going back into Scotland, England and Ireland. I have not gotten my lines back
to this line back to the shore yet. I am searching many line at the same
time, moving from one to the other,
Growing up in Texas, I had no idea of where my ancestors came from. And as
you started the slow trip into the past, you soon realized that you were really
what America is made of, a mixture of so many ancestors from many countries.
It has taken me many years and I still am not back to the shore in some of my
lines.
The very first one was Switzerland. I kept thinking why in the world would
someone leave Switzerland and come and settle in South Carolina in bat 1750.
However, with the paper trail they left, I have that one back documented to the
1500s.
As many Texans are from some of the southern colony states, my other lines
are winding on back into early Virginia, and most all go back into the 1600s.
So, it take a lot of research to go back that many generations. But thus far,
I have found out I am part Swiss from Kahn; Scottish (highland) from my maiden
name Robertson; Scotch Irish from Goodwin and possible the Caldwell line;
Palmer, Shipp, Clarke, Turner and Hutchens are English. Am descended from
Anglican Religion, Presbyterian, Quakers, and now Baptist. So, this has been an
adventurous trip back in time and seeing where the personalities of my kin came
from. It has been interesting, sad, and most of all, amusing to see how all
these folks intermarried and yet held on to some of their culture.
I read the most fascinating book entitled "Albion's Seed; Four British
Folkways in America: by David Hackett Fischer. He took the name from the word the
ancient Greek sailors called Britain, Albion, which was their word for "white."
It is not known if it was because of the light skinned people or whether it
was the white cliffs.
This book gives the distinct differences of the British who settled in each
of the four early settlements. It gives their history, their speech and
accents in speech they brought with them, their eating ways, courting and marriage
customs, religious ways, ways of naming their children, their governing ways,
etc. So, you can tell immediately when you read this where your families'
customs and habits came from.
The first group were the Puritians who settled in Massachusetts.
The second were the Cavaliers and Indentured Servants who settled Virginia.
Third were the Quakers who settled around Delaware and Pennsylvania. and
then
Fourth Group: Scots, Scotch-Irish, and the Border English who mainly settled
in the upcounty of Pennsylvania, Virginia, NC and SC.
In addition to my Swiss background, I am part of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th group.
Of course, the first group were not from the South, and migrated around in
New England.
In addition to my mixture, I ended up marrying someone from Massachusetts on
Cape Cod. So, our children have quite a background.
As I go back on a line and see these folks and what they do, I get so amused
on how true to character they are to these early groups of settlers.
So, I have not gotten back into the history in England, because thus far, the
latest one that came to America were the Swiss and that was in 1751. The
earliest one was around 1619/20 in Jamestown, VA. Many other lines came into VA
in early 1600s, i.e., 1637, etc.
This book is the most fascinating book I have ever read to let one see
themselves, and where certain traits came from. Even down to where one prepares and
eats certain foods.
My greatest find recently was a picture of my gg grandfather, George W.
Caldwell, who was in the Civil War, from Texas, and it is a picture of him in his
uniform and wearing his pistol. He was a really nice looking man.
Betty
To: John Caldwell
Thank you for the lengthy explanation and analysis of the issues of on
Scotch-Irish, Scottish Plantation Life in Northern Ireland, the warnings on using
professional genealogists' work, and the other genealogical issues that we
Caldwell researchers use.
I own and have enjoyed some of the books you refer to, but you are more
knowledgeable than I on the history that pertains to our Caldwell ancestors. I
like to read the social history of the times, and try to read, if possible,
something about their lives on each step of migration.
I often use genealogist's work, where it is well cited to give me a clue
where to look for my own genealogy. LSD has some good services, and also has
accepted some bad unproven research data, but I still do my research the old
fashion way of obtaining legal instruments to document each step. Very slow, hard
work but reliable.
May I ask what you do? Are you a historian or a professional researcher?
You seemed to know a great deal about the history that pertains to these
Irish/Amrican ancestors.
I am not fond of debates, but love to get new ideas and clues of material to
study from others who have found books that are relevant so that as I
research, I will be able to know and better understand what is happening to make these
folks want to migrate.
May I ask again, what is your field of work?
Betty
I would like some ideas/information to help find the parents and
siblings of Samuel Levi
Caldwell/Colwell
Samuel Levi Caldwell, b. 1834 in PA d. 1881 in IL
m. June 15, 1857
Elizabeth Ann Warren, b. 1835 in Westmoreland Co., PA d. 1904 in ND
Children:
born in PA
Alfred Alexander Caldwell...b. 1858
John Warren Caldwell..........b. 1859
Catherine Caldwell...............b. 1861
Isabella Caldwell...................b. 1863
James Ulysses Caldwell......b. 1865
born in IA or MO
Benjamin Calvin Caldwell....b. 1867
Anna Mary Caldwell..............b. 1868
Minnie Viola Caldwell...........b. 1871
Nora Annette Caldwell..........b 1873
born in IL
Samuel Caldwell....................b 1875
Samuel Levi, Elizabeth and family show up on the 1870 census in
Liberty Township, Missouri (Post Office = La Plata) 6 July 1870
His mother Rhoda was with the family.....my grandmother thought her
maiden
name to be FORSYTHE
note: the name is now spelled COLWELL.
Page 25: Dwelling # 192 Household # 193
COLWELL Samuel L 36 years Male White Occupation Farmer; no real estate
owned; Personal Property = $500, born in Pennsylvania, citizen of the
United
States
Rest of household:
Elizabeth A 36 Female White Keeping House Born Pennsylvania
Alfred A 13 Male White School Born
Pennsylvania
John 11 Male White School Born
Pennsylvania
Esabelle (sic) 8 Female White School Born
Pennsylvania
James W 5 Male White
Born Pennsylvania
Benjamin 3 Male White
Born Missouri
Ann Mary 1 Female White Born
Missouri
Ruda Ann 73 Female White Born
Pennsylvania
Found the family in ILLINOIS in 1880 census in Milo, Bureau Co.,
Illinois. It shows Samuel as born in PA to parents born in PA. It also
shows him as a
carpenter.
His death notice: from the Bureau County Republican,
published in Princeton, Illinois, dated Thursday, December 8, 1881.
Thanks for any help....
Joy
So many messages, so little time....
To Alan, RE: Irish records, try PRONI - You'll also find
valuable information regarding PRONI records in the
archives of this forum and the discussion forum at
http://CaldwellGenealogy.com. Plunkett Caldwell of North
Ireland has quite a bit of research of PRONI records in
regard to Caldwells in Ireland. I believe that PRONI
records pick up in the mid 17th century.
For example, John, son of William, who married Mary
Sweetenham, is said to have been born in Donegal County in
June of 1603. That John was in fact born in Preston,
Ayrshire as is recorded in the archive in public records
office (North Ireland) (PRONI) ref T808 15073.
TO Betty, RE: LDS, be cautious with these databases as
they are, in many many many cases, inaccurate. You'll get
better data from Caldwell researchers than from LDS. LDS
also has a habit of accepting uncited genealogies from
anyone who cares to submit it.
"The term "Scotch-Irish" is an Americanism, generally
unknown in Scotland and Ireland, and rarely used by
British historians. In American usage, it refers to people
of Scottish descent who, having lived for a time in the
north of Ireland, migrated in considerable numbers to the
American colonies in the eighteenth century." The
Scotch-Irish, A Social History, pg. i - James G. Leyburn
In Ireland, land was the symbol of power as well as the
source of wealth. More than attempting to convert Irish
Catholics, the idea behind plantation was to punish them
for not "converting" by taking the land away from the
Catholic Irish and replacing them with English and
Scottish settlers. This meant that a new Protestant
community could be established to weaken Catholic Irish
resistance to English rule - and the English church. It's
a bit more complex, so forgive me if I'm a little loose in
my overview here.
More info available on this subject at
http://caldwellgenealogy.com/comments.html
Also, although David A. Caldwell will debate it with me to
the bitter end, there is no evidence that early Caldwells
were of Anglo-Saxton ancestry:
Caldwell legend from Paisley, Scotland, suggests that we
were of Norse origin and taken prisoner at the Battle of
Largs, Scotland in 1263. Caldwell, is said to signify the
"Cold Well". The Norman word for "Cold" was "Kald".
Armorial bearings of the name are wells, waves, fountains,
and fishes, each suggesting water. There is a village
named Caldwell near Kilmarnock which is located on
artesian wells. A 19th century book, ''The Scottish
Nation, Surnames, Families, Literature and Honours'' by Wm
Anderson states. "Caldwell - a surname derived from lands
in Renfrewshire possessed by an ancient family of that
name for some centuries."
"A Dumfries, Ayr, Renfrew, Lanark, or Peebles man, as a
dweller in Strathclyde, has some chance of remote British
(Brython) ancestors in his pedigree; a Selkirk, Roxburgh,
Berwick-shire, or Lothian man is probably for the most
part of English blood; an Argyleshire man is or may be
descended from an Irish Scot or Dalriad" - Andrew Lang,
History of Scotland, Vol. I., Page 31.
Also, be cautious of "professional" genealogists. I
haven't done the research on Andrea that I have on the
likes of Gustave Anjou, Orra E. Monnette, or Horatio Gates
Somerby, to name a few, however Andrea's works have been
known to contain proven errors on many family lines, as
well as missing citations.
The Autobiography and Biography of Rev. Joseph Caldwell,
D.D., L.L.D., First President of the University of North
Carolina, by J.B. Neathery, 1860, makes reference to
ancestors of the Rev. Joseph Caldwell as being those
Huguenot's who were Muslim pirates around 1500, only to
retire to France as Huguenots on their way to ride with
Cromwell against the Irish in 1649, before buying a castle
in Scotland during the rein of James I who died in 1625.
The Reverend James Caldwell, Patriot 1734-1781, by Norman
F. Brydon, Caldwell Bicentennial Committee, Caldwell, NJ,
1976 also references this Caldwell as a descendant of
Caldwell Huguenots who fled France after the revocation of
the Edict of Nantes in 1685.
How does one reconcile these leaps of time and space?
They don't, because it can't be done. Even though the
"work" that gave us these leaps of time and space were
from "professional" genealogists. In the end, these
"professionals" only added to the confusion due to
someone's romantic idea that they are all related to
Royalty and famous persons.... Not to disparage Andrea's
work, only to point out that it shouldn't be taken as
gospel and that you should check his facts before
accepting his works.
Best Regards,
John Caldwell
http://CaldwellGenealogy.com
Jim Grace: Are your Adcocks from Lincoln Co., GA, went to Morgan Co., GA?
(My Caldwells were from Laurens Co., S.C. to Randolph Co., AL as well as
surrounding Counties). Thanks, Cynthia in California
Would like to find any info on William Caldwell who drew land in the 1827
Pike County land lottery, also Elizabeth Caldwell of Pike County, Georgia.
Were they related? any known family?
Jim Grace, of the Walker County, Alabama GRACE's.
jimgrace1930(a)wmconnect.com
Researching GRACE, CHAIN, BANKS, ADCOCK, ABEL, CALDWELL, ROBERTSON, WILLIAMS.
I am a direct descendant of GOD my creator. My research will be finished
when I finally meet Him face to face.
Thought the following clips from the 1870 Pike County Census may be of some
use to someone. I would like to communicate with any Pike County, Georgia
CALDWELLS researchers.
Jim Grace, of the Walker County, Alabama GRACE's.
jimgrace1930(a)wmconnect.com
Researching GRACE, CHAIN, BANKS, ADCOCK, ABEL, CALDWELL, ROBERTSON, WILLIAMS.
I am a direct descendant of GOD my creator. My research will be finished
when I finally meet Him face to face.
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BJ Niemeyer
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1870 Pike Co., Georgia
Film #169 - Montgomery County Library -Conroe, Texas
Transcriber: BJ Niemeyer - 26 March 2002
"1870Pike Co., Georgia"
"Film #169 - Montgomery CountyLibrary - Conroe, Texas"
Transcriber: BJ Niemeyer
19 CALDWELL Sarah 75 keepinghouse South Carolina
(white family)
35 CALDWELL Elizabeth 33 keepinghouse GA (white
family)
36 MaryA. 13 GA
37 WilliamD. 11 GA
38 JamesT. 9 GA
23 CALDWELL Sarah 6 GA (white)
33 CALDWELL Robert 36 farmer GA (whitefamily)
34 Anna 26 GA
35 Emma 6 GA
36 JosephG. 4 GA
37 RobertL. 1 GA
38 Hariet 2/12 (b. Apr) GA
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Lorene,
The below generations are in the bible . Also noted was Kinkead Caldwell's death 3/9/1816
Descendants of John Caldwell
1 John Caldwell 1771 - 1854
+Mary (Polly) Kincaid 1782 - 1855
2 Micajah C. Caldwell 1801 -
+Lucretia A. Daugherty1797 -
2 Drucilla Caldwell 1803 - 1845
+Hugh Jameson
2 Felix Caldwell 1805 - 1817
2 Alva Caldwell 1806 -
+Rachel Decker
2 Reigny Short Damascus Caldwell 1808 -
+Sarah Nancy Kelly
*2nd Wife of Reigny Short Damascus Caldwell:
+Joanna Williams
2 Langdon Caldwell 1811 -
+Arrimetta Sullens 1820 -
2 Louisiana Caldwell 1813 -
+John Stockton
2 Missouri Caldwell 1817 - 1869
+William L. Bailey
2 Washington J. Caldwell1829 -
+Cyntha Sullens
2 Jackson W. Caldwell 1822 - 1843
2 Felix E. Caldwell 1824 -
+Miriah Greenstreet
2 James P. Caldwell 1827 -
+Mary Jane Roberts
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Betty, thanks for the wonderful information. I have been researching the LDS
files for 20 years. I have also researched in the genealogy centers in
Ireland. The parishes are just starting to be researched by the folks there in
Ireland but we will not see much effort in our life time.
Other than parish records there is nothing else of any great significance.
If you have looked at ship lists and immigration records you know what I mean.
There are sometimes tiny clues but generally nothing usable. The Irish came
over in families and individuals of all ages. It was not unusual for small
children to travel with non relatives and so no reasonable family connections
could be made. My GGF came over at the age of 16 with no family member and my
GGM came over as a preteen Lord knows with whom.
Her naturalization gives no information of any use. The Irish land and
tithing records rarely tell us anything at all. No newspapers and of course the
loss of records in 1922 was disastrous.
Interestingly, while my family was in Pennsylvania fire destroyed census,
courthouse and newspaper records.
I've gone through the church records where they attended in Ohio but all I
learned was Bridget was sometimes referred to as Birgetta and she participated
in a number of baptisms. The census through the years never gave her birth
date and each census showed her at a different age. Women!!!! <G>
Alan
Betty, my family came from County Donegal/Fermanagh and County
Cork/Limerick. The first named counties are those my family has named but I have some
evidence there is a possible connection to the adjacent counties. They came to
America in 1853 and 1854 settling in Ohio. From 1863 to 1865 they lived in
western Pennsylvania then returned to Ohio never to leave.
I have cousins who have moved to Houston, San Antonio, near Wichita Falls
and near Tyler but those are modern migrations.
I have no connection with Cub Creek or John Calhoun except by going back an
unreasonable number of generations.
Alan
Alan,
Have you tried LDS or Family History Center to order Irish records from Salt
Lake City Mormon Library. I understand from I have been told was that the
Mormons go into all Courthouses, Archives, Church records, etc., and microfilm
them for free if they can microfilm a copy for themselves.
My trips to Salt Lake City Library, they had records from all over the world.
Millions of rolls of microfilm. A friend got microfilm from Switzerland,
which were church records through local Family History Center and found
ancestors.
Of course, your ancestors, were probably Scots who lived in Northern Ireland
after King of England forced the Irish to move off their own land (this is
history not personal). Mine came from there also. The real Irish remained
Catholic and the King of England had the Lowland Scots to settled in Northern
Ireland because they were such staunch Presbyterians (Protestants) thinking they
would assimilate and convert the Catholic Irish to become Protestants. DID NOT
WORK. Irish Catholic were just as stubborn as the Lowland Scots and they DID
NOT ASSIMILATE. After they came to America, and they were called Irish, the
Scots let everyone know, they were not Irish, they were Scotch Irish.
Stubborn, independent, fearless, folks who ended up being the backbone of America by
being unafraid to go westward and face the hardships and Indians. More
presidents have come from this group of people than any other. Just a bit of history
as it is my history also.
I had family who left VA, NC, GA and after Louisiana Purchase came into
Louisiana. After researching in the colony states with the commonwealth laws, I
was overwhelmed to find that in early 1800s, a portion of Louisiana was called
Spanish West Florida. A strip of land from Florida along the Gulf to New
Orleans. Settlers coming into that area to get land to had to take an oath to
become Catholic as that was a state religion. Also in addition to the Catholic
Churches keeping wonderful, detailed records, so did the Spanish. It was under
Spanish rule and laws. Even though these folks were Anglo Saxons, I found in
them Catholic Diocese Archives Sacramental Records, where the Church had
recorded the births, marriages and deaths of those living there. They named the
fathers name, grandparent's name reflecting the mother's maiden name. Also,
with the mother side. Listed her maiden name, both the maternal grandparents
including women's maiden name. Sometimes I could go back three generations.
Reason for telling you about Louisiana was, there was a mixture of both
Catholic and Protestants and the Church recorded both. Maybe a similar situation
in Ireland where it was under Catholic rule until the Scots came into Northern
Ireland and they were Protestants.
Try your LDS or Family History Center to see if the Mormons possibly have
microfilmed the church records in Ireland.
Betty
Thanks for this info on the naming system. I have often wondered if the
English also use this same system.
I noticed you are from Texas also, big state, but you would not be out of the
Caldwell/Shipp families who settled around Limestone/Leon Counties in early
1850s, and by now with large prolific families, they are spread all over Texas,
Johnson Co., and on west, understand. I have been working on this line and
up pops the CHARLES PALMORE....my father's line, and a name I have always had
in back of my mind as a possibility of tying in with my other Palmer/Palmore
family in the old Pendleton District,SC, now Anderson County, SC.
Thanks for the info about the naming system.
Betty
Lufkin, TX
Betty, the Irish naming scheme is that the first born son is named after his
paternal grandfather and the second son after the maternal grandfather. From
there it varies with sons being named after uncles or other relatives.
Alan
Texas