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I believe I am a decendent of the William you are looking for. Was He married to Susanna Curfman? This William is my 4x great grandfather. If so I do have info on his decendants but nothing on his parents. There are many of us actively searching for his parents and have been for decades and still haven't found them. I have also found the Eric & Leigh Morris Marvin Family on Ancesty.com and found some of the information helpful and other pieces incorrect. Please feel free to e-mail me Willmon(a)wctatel.net.
Tracy
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Surnames: CALDWELL STEWART PENTONEY
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Where in Maryland did William live? I have Caldwells from Montgomery County, MD, and wonder if they may be William's descendants.
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Surnames: CALDWELL, ALLEN, JOY, RICHMOND, SPRAGUE, LONG, BENNETT, ROYSE, TATHAM, TATUM, TATAM
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I am trying to find the parents of William Caldwell, b. 1789 PA, d. 1832 MD. I think they were from Ireland/Scotland. Please, e-mail me. Also, who are the Eric & Leigh Morris Marvin Family - ancestry.com? They're all around my ancestors, too.
Hi
William Morton Fletcher Caldwell is part of my Caldwell Line.. HIs line
starts with Oliver Caldwell and Isabella Cook.
What are you interested in???
Lynne
In a message dated 12/11/04 9:46:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bettygm51(a)lycos.com writes:
Betty Do any of your CALDWELL'S have a Mary (Polly) Born ca 1780-1800? She
is my g.g. grandmother.
Jim Grace
> Hi. Thought I had read a lot of the Caldwell's in KY but must have
> overlooked this one. I found that a family of Caldwell's, Andrew and his wife
> Frances Terrill Morton plus six children. I am really interested in the one son,
> William M F Caldwell as Family Search indicates that he is their only child
> with only a birth date listed as all the other family members are buried in
> the Maple Grove Cemetery in Russellville.
>
> I am interested because I have an ancestor who's tombstone reads "William F
> Caldwell, 1816 to 1894" and we know he was in the Civil War. Tombstone is at
> Fairview Cem, Vinita, Craig Co., OK. Our William was supposedly b. KY,
> married a Sarah in KY, had at least one son John J Caldwell, 1849 in KY; then had
> my gggrandmother Martha Frances (Mattie) Caldwell, abt 1851/53 in IN before
> she married in IL and moved on to MO and OK. She is buried near William,
> same cemetery. She married Reese Samuel Laroe (shown on census as Rese Laroe).
> She is also referred to as Frances on some census.
> I would like to make a trip to Russellville to be able to read archived
> documents or view some vital record information. Could you steer me in the right
> direction?
>
> Many thanks in advance. Betty Gray
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Hi. Thought I had read a lot of the Caldwell's in KY but must have overlooked this one. I found that a family of Caldwell's, Andrew and his wife Frances Terrill Morton plus six children. I am really interested in the one son, William M F Caldwell as Family Search indicates that he is their only child with only a birth date listed as all the other family members are buried in the Maple Grove Cemetery in Russellville.
I am interested because I have an ancestor who's tombstone reads "William F Caldwell, 1816 to 1894" and we know he was in the Civil War. Tombstone is at Fairview Cem, Vinita, Craig Co., OK. Our William was supposedly b. KY, married a Sarah in KY, had at least one son John J Caldwell, 1849 in KY; then had my gggrandmother Martha Frances (Mattie) Caldwell, abt 1851/53 in IN before she married in IL and moved on to MO and OK. She is buried near William, same cemetery. She married Reese Samuel Laroe (shown on census as Rese Laroe). She is also referred to as Frances on some census.
I would like to make a trip to Russellville to be able to read archived documents or view some vital record information. Could you steer me in the right direction?
Many thanks in advance. Betty Gray
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Looking for the family of James E. Caldwell somewhere in Vermont. I do not have any statistics on him but one can infer some things from the following:
He moved from Vermont to Meigs Co., OH in 1817.
He had a daughter, Nancy, born 06 Jan 1801 that also moved with him and married Joshua Gardner in 1819.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
This is something that we need to take a look at as genealogists.
Jane Foley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Wynn" <wynnmill(a)interl.net>
To: <MOBARRY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: [MOBARRY-L] New Bill dealing with records
> Thanks for posting this. I've taken action by writing my Senators. If
> any of you would like, you can "cut & paste" the following which I based
> on the Garrett's post: it was really easy, I just went to
> http://www.senate.gov/ found my state and wrote both Senators.
>
>
>
> Regarding: 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act (Engrossed Amendment
> as Agreed to by House)[S.2845.EAH]
>
>
>
> Senator:
>
>
>
> I thoroughly understand and appreciate the need for heightened security
> in obtaining copies of Birth Records, but passing S.2845 as it now reads
> would remove one more freedom from us.
>
>
>
> If S.2845 becomes law, as now written, family historians like myself
> will face some real challenges in attempts to obtain birth records, even
> on long-deceased ancestors. Specifically, what I am suggesting as an
> amateur genealogist is that the Senate apply the addition of Sec.
> 3061(b)(1)(A)(iii) that would read: "who is alive on the date that
> access to their birth certificate is requested." This addition would
> clarify that the legislation (soon to be law) applies ONLY to birth
> certificates of CURRENTLY LIVING PERSONS.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your consideration of this concern.
>
>
>
> Pat Wynn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy & Linda Garrett [mailto:lrgarrett@alltel.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:25 PM
> To: MOBARRY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [MOBARRY-L] New Bill dealing with records
>
>
>
> New Bill Will Possibly Close Records to Genealogists
>
>
>
> HR10, which was mentioned in the 13 October issue of RootsWeb Review,
> has passed out of the U.S. House of Representatives and is now part of
> S.2845. The amendments suggested by David Rencher in his letter to the
> bill's sponsor, Congressman J. Dennis Hastert, were NOT incorporated
> into this legislation. Thus, the terms of HR10 will now be considered
> by the Senate, as part of S.2845.
>
>
>
> If S.2845 becomes law, as now written, family historians will face some
> real challenges in attempts to obtain birth records, even on
> long-deceased individuals. Specifically, what genealogists need to do is
> suggest to their lawmakers the addition of Sec. 3061(b)(1)(A)(iii) that
> would read: "who is alive on the date that access to their birth
> certificate is requested." This addition would clarify that the
> legislation (soon to be law) applies ONLY to birth certificates of
> CURRENTLY LIVING PERSONS.
>
>
>
> If you do not know your U.S. Senator's e-mail address, you can find it
> at http://www.senate.gov/
>
>
>
> This bill can be found online at http://thomas.loc.gov/
>
>
>
> Enter: S.2845 (in the bill number window)
>
>
>
> Select: Item #3, 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act (Engrossed
> Amendment as Agreed to by House)[S.2845.EAH]
>
>
>
> Chapter 2: "Improved Security for Birth Certificates"
>
>
>
> Chapter 3/Subtitle B "Identity Management Security"
>
>
>
> Chapter 2 "Improved Security for Birth Certificates"
Hi, very nice. Hope you and yours have a Happy
Holiday!!!! My second one without my husband so
maybe want be as bad as last year.
Blessings! Flo in Texas
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How wonderful! Valerie This is very valuable information. Thanks so
much!
Jane Foley
----- Original Message -----
From: <ValerieAuld(a)aol.com>
To: <CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CALDWELL-L] Wagon Train Routes and Listings
> I called the National Frontier Trails Museum about this question (located
in
> Independence, MO) She said that there were no records kept, of course
none
> were required then, and they really haven't ever discovered that someone
wrote
> any of this down.
>
> HOWEVER, she did say that if you are interested in trying to see if any of
> your relatives were in expeditions, that the Oregon California Trails
> Association has indexed every name mentioned in diaries that were kept in
every diary
> that they have been able to get their hands on. I was told that most
individual
> diaries that survived and have been found have been indexed by this
> organization. So, if you relative was mentioned in a diary, they indexed
their name
> and what diary it came from.
>
> You can contact this organization at 816-252-2276 or on their website
> www.octa-trails.org
>
> Valerie
>
>
> ==============================
> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records.
> New content added every business day. Learn more:
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>
I called the National Frontier Trails Museum about this question (located in
Independence, MO) She said that there were no records kept, of course none
were required then, and they really haven't ever discovered that someone wrote
any of this down.
HOWEVER, she did say that if you are interested in trying to see if any of
your relatives were in expeditions, that the Oregon California Trails
Association has indexed every name mentioned in diaries that were kept in every diary
that they have been able to get their hands on. I was told that most individual
diaries that survived and have been found have been indexed by this
organization. So, if you relative was mentioned in a diary, they indexed their name
and what diary it came from.
You can contact this organization at 816-252-2276 or on their website
www.octa-trails.org
Valerie
Genealogist's Christmas Eve
('Twas the Night Before Christmas)
'Twas the night before Christmas
When all through the house
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even my spouse.
The dining room table with clutter was spread
With pedigree charts and letters which said...
"Too bad that the data for which you last wrote
Sank in a storm on an ill-fated boat."
Stacks of old copies of bills, wills, and such
Were proof that my work had become way too much.
Our children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads.
And I at my table was ready to drop
From work on my album with photos to crop.
Christmas was here, and such was my lot
That presents and goodies and toys I'd forgot.
Had I not been so busy with grandparents' wills,
I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills;
While others bought gifts to bring good Christmas cheers,
I'd spent time researching those birthdates and years.
While I was thus musing about my sad plight,
A noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright!
Away to the window I flew in a flash,
Tore open the drapes and yanked up the sash.
When what with my wondering eyes should appear,
But an overstuffed sleigh and with eight small reindeer.
Up to the house top the reindeer they flew,
With a sleigh full of toys and ol' Santa Claus, too.
And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of each tiny hoof.
As I drew in my head, and bumped into the sash,
Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH!
"Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck,
Tracking soot on the carpet, (could've wrung his short neck)!
Spotting my face, ol' Santa could see
Christmas spirit was lacking in little ol' me.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work
And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk).
Here then was Santa, who'd brought us such joy,
When I'd been too busy for even one toy.
He spied my research on the table all spread;
"A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red)!
"Tonight I've met many like you," Santa grinned,
As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned.
I gazed with amazement; the cover, it read
Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Pled.
"I know what it's like to have Rooter's Bug,"
He said as he gave me a great Santa hug.
"While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry,
I do some research in the North Pole Library!
So these special treats I am able to bring
To genealogy folk who can't find a thing."
"Now off you go to your bed for a rest,
I'll clean the house from this genealogy mess."
As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee,
I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me.
While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle
To his team, which then rose like the down of a thistle.
And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
"Family history is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!"
- Author Unknown
Modified by Terri Lamb
Wow! You people are wonderful in responding to my question! I sent this question to several websites and I want to share with you the responses I received. I will check them out as I can get to them. Several of you said you wanted the information too. So here is what I received back.
Jane Foley
Their is many accounts of the wagon train routes here is a web site with some of the story's of some of the Men and boys going out west during the Gold rush from Illinois,
( http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilschuyl/Oregontrail.html )
looking for some other that I have read , will post when I find them,,,,
Richard Graham
check out another web site on the California Gold Rush with some of the fellows from Illinois 1848,,,,,,,,,, www.rootsweb.com/~ilschuyl/
look for Schuyler, Co and California Gold Rush first column down almost all the way.
Richard
This site will provide some of the information you might be looking for:
http://www.over-land.com/emigrants.html
Roger
Jane, Try OCTA(a)indepmo.org OCTA stands for OR CA Trail Association.
They are headquartered in Independence, MO. I think they can help you. Tom
Maybe these will help.
Winn
1843 Wagon Train Pioneers
http://www.peak.org/~mransom/a2m.html
ARRIVALS IN OREGON 1852
http://home.netcom.com/~symbios/52intro.html
Wagon Train Arrivals as Reported in the Frontier Guardian
http://www.rootsweb.com/~iapottaw/WgnTrnIndx.htm
Wagon Trains
http://www.cyndislist.com/migration.htm#Wagon
There were at least a couple of routes that they may have traveled in going from east to west.
One would have been the Zanes Trace. The Government hired Col. Zane to blaze a trail through the as yet un traveled way to the west. That trail was nothing more than a path cut though the trees and brush to allow horses and wagons to pass through. There would be stumps left from cutting down the trees. Some places in the route might just be only where Zane and his men hacked at the trees and made marks to show the people where the trail was and where the next people following were to go.
Another was the National Road. Which was the first road built "completely" using federal funds.
You can find more info on them by going to the following sites.
http://www.flintridgevineyard.com/page/page/390943.htm for Zane's Trace
and
http://www.nps.gov/fone/natlroad.htm for the National Road
Mel
The Scots-Irish From Ulster and The Great Philadelphia Wagon Road
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/wagon_road.htm
The Great Wagon Road: From Philadelphia to the South
http://www.historyus.com/The_Great_Wagon_Road_From_Philadelphia_to_the_So...
Jane The only people who MIGHT have kept a list were the suppliers and grocers. Most bought supplies along the way. There are a few books about wagon trains but not many. There one we read about the women going from Mississippi and she kept a diary that
was turned into a book. The majority of the women who were/or got P.G. did not make it. I cannot even imagine what those men and women and children went thru.
Hope you find records and if you do let me know please. All I can think of is after the Civil War and the Land Lotteries.
L
Have you tried looking for "wagon trails" using a search engine, such as Google. There are many entries.
R Rogers
Jane,
There are maps on the internet which trace some of the early roads. One early road was called The Federal Road. It went from GA (I think it was Augusta) southwest to AL/MS.
You might try a Google search for it.
Before the Indians were removed to OK, it was necessary for people who traveled across their land to get a passport. These have survived and have been compiled into a volume called:
PASSPORTS OF SOUTHEASTERN PIONEERS, 1770-1823. I do not know if this compilation is complete but at least it will give you a place to look. I don't own a copy but you might be able to get a copy by inter-library loan.
Good luck,
Dennis Smith
As far as I know, no, no record as such. It was more like "if twelve of us all decide to get in our cars and move from Knoxville to Los Angeles, who's keeping the records of who all is moving?"
The answer, of course, is that while there are certainly people aware of it, there aren't any official records of it as such.
P
Great Gateway to the American Westward Expansion:
http://www.linecamp.com/museums/americanwest/hubs/great_gateway_west/grea...
Missouri River Outfitters:
http://www.stjohnks.net/santafetrail/missouririver/outfitters.html
Wagon Train:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWwagontrain.htm
[another] Wagon Train:
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0851256.html
Cyndi's List: Migration Routes, Roads & Trails:
http://www.cyndislist.com/migration.htm
I would contact the US Dept. of Interior and see what they might have. I would think this would come under them. Might try the Mormons in Salt Lake City, Utah. They keep excellent records
S Holland
Where would one go to find a listing of the wagon trains that left in the
east and went west along with the dates and the people who were on these. I
think that they would have had a record back then. I'm not so sure that
they survived to this century. Is there anyone that can shed any light on
this question?
Jane Foley
Cornelius, NC
ALL I want for Christmas .......................is it true words!!
>
> Dear Santa: Don't bring me new dishes;
> I don't need a new kind of game,
> Genealogists have peculiar wishes;
> For Christmas, I just want a surname.
>
> A new washing machine would be great,
> But it's not the desire of my life.
> I've just found an ancestor's birth date;
> What I need now is the name of the wife.
>
> My heart doesn't yearn for a ring
> That would put a real diamond to shame.
> What I want is a much cheaper thing:
> Please give me Mary's last name.
>
> To see my heart singing with joy
> Don't bring me a red leather suitcase.
> Bring me a genealogist's toy;
> A surname, with dates and a place!
>
> Anonymous
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I only have a few pages of a Coldwell history that I copied some years ago from a history located at the Genealogical Forum of Oregon located in Portland, Oregon (www.gfo.com). This is a family history without proper documentation--what I call a roadmap.
The following are some excerpts from the pages I have that was written by Sarah Simpson, dau of Evelina & Sam Simpson:
"From Ireland came John Caldwell, son of Sir David Caldwell [...et al] and landed at New Castle Delaware December 10th, 1727. John's son William, was the ..... Another of John's sons, Thomas Caldwell moved to Virginia and had a son Thomas, the second, ....., and who married Philadelphi Ballard, an English lady of Virginia. He changed the spelling of the name to COLDWELL. His oldest son Ballard Coldwell, married Sarah Evans, "A great belle and Virginia heiress."
Ballard b/1767 - d/Jan 5,1839-Shelbyville, TN
Sarah Evans b/? - d/1843-Shelbyville
(her parents: Nathaniel & Jane [Campbell] Evans)
Married: 1791-Hawkins Co
All their children were born in Hawkins Co except the youngest, Evelina, who was born in Shelbyville.
Ballard/Delphia's children:
*John Campbell Coldwell (b1792-d1869) m. Jane Northcott [f: Rev. Benj Northcott]
*Nathaniel F. Coldwell(b1794-d1833) m. Frances Peacock
*Sophia Coldwell (b1796) m. James Williams-Alabama, Thomas Pettus-Bedford County
*Thomas Alfred Coldwell (b1798-d1852/Calif) m.Elizabeth Hughes & Emeline Moore
*Davis Coldwell (b1800)
*Philadelphia Coldwell (b1802-d1827/28) m. Samuel King-Georgia
*James Harvey Coldwell (b1804-d1827)
*Lockly L. Coldwell (b1806-d1827/28) m. Thomas Whitney-Shelbyville
*Amanda Coldwell (b1908) m. Col.Williamson H/R Burditt-Shelbyville
*Evelina Belmont Coldwell (b1818-d1010) m. Samuel Simpson
*Male twin (b/d1818)died at birth
Ballard's brothers:
Benona m. Ms Henderson
John m. ?? died childless
Thomas m. Ms Kincheloe
Abiram m. Ms nancy Montgomery-Abington, VA
Ballard's sisters:
Nancy m. Mr Bradley
Rachel m. Mr Kinchelow
Mollie m. Andrew Campbell