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Hi Wilma,
Thanks for the URL. I spent a long time searching this site, this morning,
It has many directions to go. So far I have not located any thing on my
Casper Caldwell. He was quite a looser, but I am finally finding a little on
his descendents. I would be interested in any hints on how you searched this
site, Thanks
Dawn Collins
I am looking for any information on George W. CALDWELL, born 1840 or before
in PA. Anyone out there have a George W. born between 1820 and 1840?
Please contact me if you have one that fits.
Thanks,
Regina
I got the records of both of my Grandfathers that way. Hope you have better
luck. If not send me a note, there are some records I might look over. Wilma
Hi,
Thanks for the post. I sent for his court martial records, which I received
from NARA, I have lost them some how, but know what was in them.
Unfortunatley they told me they could not locate his enlistment records.
I will print out your post and start again I am a little concerned because
of the prices I hear quoted now on the list. I would not mine paying the 40
dollars , if I was pretty certain I would get some new information.
but I guess that is the only way open to me. Thanks again.
Dawn
Subject: Re: CALDWELL-D Digest V00 #203, John Caldwell of Cub Creek
Hello: I am very interested in this family from two perspectives:
1. Descent from William Caldwell (son of John Caldwell and Margaret
Phillips) and Rebecca Parks via Caldwells who moved to SC and wound up in
Meriwether County GA about 1830.
2. William Rodgers of Cub Creek, brother of my Thomas Rodgers who also lived
there, married Margaret Caldwell, daughter of John Caldwell and Margaret
Phillips. I am very interested in these families of the Cub Creek community,
several of whom moved on to Laurens SC about 1770. I also want to find out
where John Caldwell and his group were in Virginia before they started
appearing in VA records about 1747. Plus, although there were Rodgers listed
in Chestnut Level PA where John Caldwell lived before moving to VA, I have
not been able to confirm that they were mine. Is there any Caldwell
documentation in PA that would give more information about allied families
with John Caldwell?
If you have such information , or plan to explore these avenues, I would
like very much to work with you. Thank you. hclarker(a)home.com
Hi,
Lots of records show the families in PA, then VA to Carolinas.
This one is of a line of same CALDWELL. Audrey
ANDREW CALDWELL: (1757)
"IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the twenty third day of June One thousand Seven
hundred and fifty seven I Andrew CALDWELL of the Township of Drumore in the
County of Lancaster farmer being sick, etc...."
"IMPRIMIS: I give and Bequeath to MARTHA my dearly Beloved Wife the
fourth part of my Estate Real and Personal during her life and after her
decease the said fourth part of the Real Estate is to return to my three
Sons that is to say to my Beloved Son ALEXANDER (CALDWELL) and my well
Beloved Son ANDREW (CALDWELL) and my well Beloved Son JOHN (CALDWELL) which
three my well Beloved sons I likewise Constitute make Ordain Sole Executors
of this my last will and Testament..."
"ITEM: I likewise give and Bequeathe (sic) to my will Beloved Son DAVID
(CALDWELL) the Sum of forty Pounds to be paid to him by m Executors of the
whole of my Estate as he stands in need of and not to hurt my Executors and
to have his living with and of my Estate as formerly during his Estate of a
singel 9sic) life and further I do hereby allow...(from here on a lot of
'dos' and 'don'ts." aep '99)
Signed Sealed published Pronounced Andrew
CALDWELL* (SEAL)
and Declared by the said ANDREW
CALDWELL as his last Will and Testament
in the presence of us the Subscribers.
his
Samuel x POLLOCK LANCASTER
COUNTY, PA
mark
Will Book B, Vol 1
Andrew MC ENTIRE Page 209
Thos JOB
Ms. Finley, I am related to the Caldwell family of Cub Creek. My line is
through their (John Caldwell m. Margaret Phillips) son Robert m. Mary Logan.
Thomas was a brother to Robert.
My research indicates Thomas was m. to Mary Parks she may have been a sister
to Rebecca Parks who married William Caldwell brother of both Robert and
Thomas.
I have some information on this family, but would love to have more! I am
interested in more than a compilation of names and dates...I like to learn
information which places the individuals in historical context (for example
did they participate in the French & Indian War?) and information which sheds
light on them as individuals. I am not concerned whether they are "famous or
infamous" as long as I can learn things which give them shape, context, and
color. Finding out this level of information takes much more in depth
research and much more time!
For example, learning my family was Presbyterian was a surprise to me since
my Grandfather was a staunch Baptist, as was his Father. My research turned
up my Greatgreat Grandfather, William Philpot Curran Caldwell, son of Samuel
Caldwell and Ann Balch and he evidently was considered a disapated young man
until he met his wife who converted him to the
Baptist faith. Thereupon, he became a minister in that church. Learning of
our Presbyterian roots sent me into studying the history of the Presbyterian
church in the United States and its tremendous influence on American History.
From there, I delved into the history of the Scotch Irish in our country.
All of which gives me a picture of the type of people my relatives may have
been and the influences on their lives. But it is a slow tedious method!
However, it is more interesting!
I am not as advanced as you probably are in my research, but if you ask me
specific questions I will do my best to answer. I do have in my notes that
Thomas had a son named John who married Ann Davis/ Finley (this either
indicates two wives with different last names, or possibly the name should
have been Ann Davis Finley ? another mystery to resolve. This son, John
died in 1785 and Newberry County, South Carolina is given as his place of
burial.
I do know that the Caldwells were connected to the Finley bunch...communities
were small and families intermarried, brothers marrying sisters in other
families and vice versa.
Please contact me if we have information we can exchange.
My lineage:
John Caldwell m. 1st. Margaret Porter 2nd. Mary Holmes their son Joseph m.
Jane McGhe is my line.
Joseph C. m. Jane McGhie their son John m. Margaret Phillips is my line.
John C. m. Margaret Phillips their son Robert m. Mary Logan is my line.
Robert C. m. Mary Logan their son Samuel m. Ann Balch is my line
Samuel C. m. Ann Balch their son William Philpot Curran Caldwell my
greatgreat grandfather.
William Philpot Curran Caldwell m. Jane Jackson their son James Samuel
Caldwell is my great grandfather.
James Samuel Caldwell m. Janie Mott their son Alvin Eugene Caldwell is my
grandfather.
I did not include dates...if we begin exchanging information I can send that
if you need it. However, I imagine you are searching your Finley roots and
only as they intertwine with the Caldwells would you be interested in any of
that clan.
Hoping we can help each other out.......
I remain,
Barbara Randolph
Babs2u42(a)aol.com
Hello Barbara,
Thank you for responding to my Thomas Caldwell message. Yes, I think we
may well want to compare notes. My Caldwell information is online at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cascgs/
go to *family groups*
Glad to hear you are interested in placing your ancestors in historical
context. I have some, but would like more. If you take a look at my
*notes* you will find what I do have.
I am working with a couple of other researchers of this area who are
interested in Baker, Cunningham, Ewing, Finley, Fulton, Hanna, Littlejohn,
Parks, Sankey, Thomson, Wallace and a few others. As you say, there were a
lot of intermarriages. Have you tied into the information on Rev. John
Thomson? He and John Caldwell, settler of Cub Creek were associated while
still in PA---in the Donegal Presbytery. I am especially interested in
seeing how many of the group who were in Donegal made the move to what is
now Prince Edward County, VA, and can find documentation to go with it. Am
currently trying to get more information on Rev. Richard Sankey, son-in-law
of Rev. Thomson.
I believe Thomas Caldwell and Mary Jane Parks are my 4th great
grandparents, but would really like to have more proof. I have their son
John m. Ann Davis, but am not really sure of that. Just recently discovered
there are at least five Thomas Caldwells in the area. Can send you that
analysis if you wish.
Would especially appreciate it if you could look at your Robert/Mary Logan
Caldwell line to see if what I have is in agreement with what you
have---and whether you can add anything else.
Carmen Finley
At 05:53 PM 9/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Ms. Finley, I am related to the Caldwell family of Cub Creek. My line is
>through their (John Caldwell m. Margaret Phillips) son Robert m. Mary
Logan.
>Thomas was a brother to Robert.
>My research indicates Thomas was m. to Mary Parks she may have been a sister
>to Rebecca Parks who married William Caldwell brother of both Robert and
>Thomas.
>
>I have some information on this family, but would love to have more! I am
>interested in more than a compilation of names and dates...I like to learn
>information which places the individuals in historical context (for example
>did they participate in the French & Indian War?) and information which
sheds
>light on them as individuals. I am not concerned whether they are "famous
or
>infamous" as long as I can learn things which give them shape, context, and
>color. Finding out this level of information takes much more in depth
>research and much more time!
>
>For example, learning my family was Presbyterian was a surprise to me since
>my Grandfather was a staunch Baptist, as was his Father. My research turned
>up my Greatgreat Grandfather, William Philpot Curran Caldwell, son of Samuel
>Caldwell and Ann Balch and he evidently was considered a disapated young man
>until he met his wife who converted him to the
>Baptist faith. Thereupon, he became a minister in that church. Learning of
>our Presbyterian roots sent me into studying the history of the Presbyterian
>church in the United States and its tremendous influence on American
History.
> From there, I delved into the history of the Scotch Irish in our country.
>All of which gives me a picture of the type of people my relatives may have
>been and the influences on their lives. But it is a slow tedious method!
>However, it is more interesting!
>
>I am not as advanced as you probably are in my research, but if you ask me
>specific questions I will do my best to answer. I do have in my notes that
>Thomas had a son named John who married Ann Davis/ Finley (this either
>indicates two wives with different last names, or possibly the name should
>have been Ann Davis Finley ? another mystery to resolve. This son, John
>died in 1785 and Newberry County, South Carolina is given as his place of
>burial.
>
>I do know that the Caldwells were connected to the Finley
bunch...communities
>were small and families intermarried, brothers marrying sisters in other
>families and vice versa.
>
>Please contact me if we have information we can exchange.
>
>My lineage:
>
>John Caldwell m. 1st. Margaret Porter 2nd. Mary Holmes their son Joseph m.
>Jane McGhe is my line.
>
>Joseph C. m. Jane McGhie their son John m. Margaret Phillips is my line.
>
>John C. m. Margaret Phillips their son Robert m. Mary Logan is my line.
>
>Robert C. m. Mary Logan their son Samuel m. Ann Balch is my line
>
>Samuel C. m. Ann Balch their son William Philpot Curran Caldwell my
>greatgreat grandfather.
>
>William Philpot Curran Caldwell m. Jane Jackson their son James Samuel
>Caldwell is my great grandfather.
>
>James Samuel Caldwell m. Janie Mott their son Alvin Eugene Caldwell is my
>grandfather.
>
>I did not include dates...if we begin exchanging information I can send that
>if you need it. However, I imagine you are searching your Finley roots and
>only as they intertwine with the Caldwells would you be interested in any of
>that clan.
>
>Hoping we can help each other out.......
>
>I remain,
>
>Barbara Randolph
>Babs2u42(a)aol.com
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
I do not have any Caldwells in SC---sorry.
At 04:00 PM 9/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, Carmen, I am not sure whether this fits or not. Cousin said that our
>James Caldwell who we though was the guy who Married our Elizabeth James in
>South Carolina is not the right guy. Do you have a William that might fit
>the bill? Appearing in South Carolina sometime between 1820-1830. Wilma
>Ranger
>
>
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Hi, Carmen, I am not sure whether this fits or not. Cousin said that our
James Caldwell who we though was the guy who Married our Elizabeth James in
South Carolina is not the right guy. Do you have a William that might fit
the bill? Appearing in South Carolina sometime between 1820-1830. Wilma
Ranger
I have not gotten any further then the early 1700 on the Newell family. There
was a great deal of info on the families from about 1700 to date. However
the work was done by the families in MS. Some of the stuff was great and
some a little off. I have tried for 6 years to go back to MS. so I could
talk with more people and dig into the early days when the records were in
Copiah Co. instead of Lincoln like they are now. I found a third marriage
for our Christian McDonald Newell that was missed by the rest. So a
daughter that they figured was from one Jepth Britt, was indeed dau of a
Thomas Barnes. I don't know what happened to that guy. His brother signed
the marriage certificate, and she never appeared on any other papers, except
to change our William Britt's name to Newell. So the second child was Jeptha
Britts son. It is going to be a bit more researching to get this material in
proper perspective. I have been unable to get my husband to return to LA.
and MS. He has declared he was going no where. So I guess I will just put
my self as a renegade and go do my thing.
I find this a very interesting past time and hobby. I suffer from
Fibromyalgia, and many times I am knocked low and off the records for a
while. I shall keep at it. Will keep you note and if I find anything
interesting will share it. Thanks a lot. Wilma V Ranger.
Is there anyone on this list interested in the Caldwells of the Cub
Creek/Buffalo Settlement in Virginia?
I am currently working on Thomas Caldwell, son of John Caldwell who settled
in this area. So far I have found there are at least five men by the name
of Thomas Caldwell in this area (Brunswick, Lunenburg, Amelia, Charlotte,
and Prince Edward Counties) during the period of about 1743 to 1775.
I am trying to assign them to the appropriate family groups. If anyone
else is interested in this problem, I would be happy to share information.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carmen J. Finley
finleyc(a)sonoma.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Have you applied for copies of his Military record? National Archives, Trust
Fund Board, Washington D.C. 20408 NNRG. There is a Archives? in Carlile
Barracks, PA. I might have something from there. Address I mean. Wilma
I haven't gotten past the S.C. Newell's, been trying to do too many things at
once. Since most of mine and my husbands seem to have followed a route fm SC
to MS & AR. will check on it after I for full my present obligations.
Thanks. Wilma
Your Abram Caldwell Newell - makes me wonder if your ancestors had a
Caldwell Newell connection. The reason. My ancestor, Samuel Caldwell
of Warrington, Lancashire, England was the son of George Caldwell and
Elizabeth (Betty) Newell.
Their children were:-
Samuel bpt.24-11-1793, Gervase bpt.10-1-1796, George bpt.15-6-1800, came
to Australia, Anne bpt.23-12-1804, Mary bpt.5-7-1807, John
bpt.18-3-1810, Samuel bpt.10-1-1813, Hanna bpt.1-9-1816, Mary
bpt.10-5-1818.
The first Samuel and Mary must have died and two more children given the
same names as was the custom in those days.
You can contact me direct Peg Whiteman e-mail
whiteman(a)ausnetwork.com.au
if you wish.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Anglo Irish Markhams and related families
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:52:31 +1000
From: Peg Whiteman <whiteman(a)ausnetwork.com.au>
To: GENIRE <GENIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
To introduce myself as a new contributor, I am 3rd generation Australian
from my great grandfather, Edward Markham of Rose Abbey, Kinsale, Co.,
Cork, son of Thomas Markham and his last wife, Jane Weldon who married
at Gretna Green, 1826. His home was Rose Abbey, Kinsale. Edward was
born 31-7-1828. His father, Thomas, was a soldier of the 83rd
regiment. First an Ensign - enlisted 1782 - by 1790 a Lieutenant. He
also held the rank of Colonel as Commandant of the Kinsale Yeomanry
while commander during the Irish Rebellion of 1798. Thomas inherited
the following estates - Rose Abbey, Mansfield Lands, now Summer Cove,
Killaney, Co., Cork and Ashtown House, Kilkenny. Thomas had three
families:-
1st m.2.7-1795 to Elizabeth Elleyne Leary bur.10-11-1803 daughter of
Ellwell Denis Leary.
Children
1.Mary Fudger Markham - never married d.c.1842
2.Sarah b.1799 m.15-6-1826 at Nohoval Church Charles Huson of Mt. Anne,
Kilpatrick and Springfield, co. Wexford (a soldier) Children - Narcissus
and Elizabeth Alice.
3.William b.c.1801 d.1872 m.12-8-1831 Mary Hatton of Wexford dau. of
John Hatton of Kilpatrick, Wexford. Mary bur. Kinsale 17-4-1875 -
William b.A. Trinity College, Dublin, educated for the bar.
Their children:-
1.Thomas Hatton b.6-10-1835 bur. Kinsale 17-4-1875
2.Rev. William of Yorkshire b.9-7-1844 d.31-10-1895 bur. Isle of Wight
m.Lucy Ashdown dau. of George.
a.John Hatton b.1882 m.Adorna Wells dau. of Ponlett
Peter John
Adorna
Frida
Dorothea
b.Charles Ashdown b.1884 m.Mary Lock dau. of Frank
York
Doris
Marion
c.Christopher William O'Leary b.1885 m.Marion Wells dau. of Ponlett
Clements William
Elizabeth
d.George Hastings b.1892
e.Mary m.Walter G. Cross
f.Lucy m.Charles L. S. Ware
3.Alicia Matilda b.8-8-1832
4.Mary b.3-9-1840 bur. Kinsale 30-10-1862
Thomas does not appear to have married Jane Harris, mother of his second
family. They had 8 children. The youngest of this family, Henry,
d.v.p. young. The other children were:-
1.Thomas b.c.1810 d.1833 Killaney - his father's residence
2.Jane b.c.1811
3.Anne b.c.1813 d.c.1878 m.1844 Michael Aylward of Liverpool - had a
sister, Ellen Aylward.
(1)Anne Jane m.1860 George Morris
(2)Sarah
(3)William
(4)Michael
4.Robert b.c.1815
5.John b.c.1817 m.1838 Elizabeth Donaclift d.6-1-1861 dau. of Samuel
Doniclift and Sofia Leggett
6.Lewis b.1820 d.17-2-1881 m.26-5-1863 Anne Bracken nee Allingham
7.George b.1822 d.3-2-1864 m.2-3-1854 Susan Allingham
8.Henry d.young d.v.p.
I have a lot more information to contribute and will do so in sections.
In 1994 I compiled a family history on my Markham family.
There are many branches of earlier Markhams connected to this family who
lived in Clonmel, Tipperary, parts of Kilkenny, Waterford and Cork,
Kinsale and Killarney.
When I send my next contribution, I will start at the beginning of all
the families I know about; it will have to be in instalments and I will
be very grateful to anyone who can help me in any way as there are lots
of missing links out there somewhere, probably world wide by now.
My great grandfather settled in the New England area of NSW with three
of his half brothers. He moved around a lot and finally settled in the
mining town of Tingha near Inverell.
I was brought up in the country and now live at Mooloolaba on the
Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Australia.
My personal e-mail is whiteman(a)ausnetwork.com.au
Looking forward to some response.
Peg Whiteman
Hi Wilma,
Thank you so much. I have e-mailed some one with that Casper in the past,
with no answer. He is not mine. My Casper WAS BORN IN PHILADELPHIA. in
about 1841. Enlisted in the Army from Philadelphia in 1858. Was stationed
at the Presidio in San Francisco in 1869. He deserted the army for 5 days,
was apprehended, court marshaled,(sp?) served a year of hard labor, with a 6
lb ball and chain around his ankle, and branded with an inch and a half " D"
on his hip.
All this and no idea who his parents or siblings were.
still hoping,
Dawn
Well, I have the Canadian Caldwells, With a Casper. There was a lady in
Ireland that did up the information on this family. Mathew Caldwell of
Maghe?geeragh near Killeter, Co. Tyrone married Elizebeth Sproule. Some of
the family migrated to NS, Canada. They have gone in separate ways in some
instances. One of the family A Casper married Jan Cunningham. He died July
1882 in Michigan. However at least a couple of the family migrated thru-
Wis., Michigan, Maine and one went to Baltimore, MD.
If you would like I can send this stuff to you and get it off of my hands.
You would be better able to figure this out then I am. I had no reason to
dig and look. They were not my Caldwells. However they may be yours. So if
you want post your address and I will very happily send this stuff to you.
I am going to be gone for a couple of days but will post haste this stuff to
you if you want it. Wilma
Hi Lucy,
I don't have too much information about my William - in fact, I'm not
even sure he is my William!
I'm looking for the ancestors of Alma Sallie CALDWELL. I think that her
father was Oliver CALDWELL, and his father was William E. CALDWELL.
Here's what I do know:
In the 1850 census of Carroll County MS is listed:
William E. CALDWELL 38 M Farmer SC
Louisa 25 F VA
Oliver 8 M MS
Mary E. 6 F MS
William Samuel 4 M MS
Sarah A. 2 F MS
In the marriage records of Carroll County, Book A is listed, according to
one printed source, the marriage of
William CALDWELL and Louisa CRAP on 28 May 1841.
I believe the maiden name of Louisa was really CROSS. On the death
certificate of Virginia Louise CALDWELL who married O. G. CALHOUN, her
mother's maiden name was listed as CROSS.
In the 1870 census of Carroll County is listed:
William A. CALDWELL 58 M W Farmer SC
M.L. 48 F W VA
Mary 28 F W MS
Sarah 21 F W MS
Juliet 18 F W MS
Virginia 15 F W MS
John 8 M W MS
Also in the 1870 Carroll County MS census is:
Oliver CALDWELL 27 M W Farmer MS
Ophelia 23 F W MS
Alma 1 F W MS
It's Oliver's oldest daughter Alma who I think may be my Alma Sallie
CALDWELL.
William and Louisa's other son William Samuel and Oliver both were in the
Confederate Army, as were many, many other CALDWELL's in Mississippi.
In a book of Carroll County Cemetery Records is listed
W. E. CALDWELL 5 Oct 1812 13 Dec 1892
Mariah L. CALDWELL 12 Apr 1824 12 Jun 1883
A number of other CALDWELLs also listed there.
Oliver CALDWELL also had a son named Oliver CROSS CALDWELL.
That's about all I know about my William. There were a number of
CALDWELLs in Mississippi who came from South Carolina. I'm gathering
information on the ones I think might possibly be Alma's family.
Oliver was definitely born in MS, most probably in Carroll County.
I hope maybe some of this connects somehow with your CALDWELLs.
Joy Baggett
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