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DeDee,
To keep generations straight we have nick named Curtis CALDWELL b ca 1735
" old man Curtis" (OM). His wife was Sarah FONDERN or WILKINSON. Thier
child Mathew is your line(son-in-law line). My line is though OM Curtis
son Curtis. OM Curtis is Curtis who is md to Nancy HOOD grandfather.
I'm not working on Mathew. I'm working on the children who went into Ga.
Curtis, James, and Charles. However I have forward your e-mail to GeoreAnn
who has Mathews line. She said she would be getting intouch with you.
Her e-mail address is gbrooksby(a)juno.com
Hope this will help and that you can give your son-in-law something new for
Christmas.
Ruby
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Gregory Schumacher wrote:
> Hello,
> I am new to the list. My maiden name was Caldwell. I am interested in
> finding information about Frank Norman Caldwell. He said he was born in
> Kalamazoo, Michigan 4 Feb. 1883. I believe he ran away from home when he
> was around 12 and went to work for the railroad - perhaps the Missouri
> Parcific RR. He met my grandmother in Hoisington, Kansas around 1925.
> Then they moved to Oklahoma. He lists his parents on his social security
> application as:
> Fred John Caldwell and Anna Margrett Strong of Michigan. Does anyone
> have anything that might pertain to these people? I have been looking
> for years and find nothing.
>
> Kathy
>
Hi Kathy!
I'm sitting here looking at an index of the 1860, 70, 80, and 90 (the special
Veteran's census of 1890 that survived the fire) for Kalamazoo County, Mi that
some kind soul extracted all of the names for. I have the page that includes
Caldwell because my Henry Willard Caldwell was in Kalamazoo County (Alamo Twp)
for the 1870 census. His brother Ora Jay Caldwell stayed in Alamo, Kalamazoo
Co. for the 1880 census. Ora had a son named Fred, but he was 11 in the 1880
census, making him born around 1869. Too young to be your Fred's father and too
old to be your Fred. But Fred was quite a rare name in the 1800's, so there
still could be some connection.
Another name that shows up is Francis M. Caldwal, who was in Kalamazoo Twp,
Kalamazoo Co. for the 1890 census. He had to be a civil war vet to be
enumerated in that census, which would make him rather old to be having a son in
1883, but he could also be a grandfather. The name Francis is shortened to
Frank often.
If you are not in Michigan, I could check the Michigan Civil War indexes to see
if it has any more info on this Francis M. for you.
The middle name Norman is totally strange to any of my Caldwells (who pronounced
their name "Cadwell" when in Michigan, but they were definitely Caldwells).
Another brother of my Henry's (Oscar) had a son named Frans Lee, born around
1863. There are also no Johns in my Caldwells or indexed any time in Kalamazoo
County.
Let me know if any of these names ring bells. It might help to tell me the
names of your Frank's children, but usually runaways didn't name many offspring
after ancestors.
--
Bill Semeyn
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<<I'm researching a Curtis CALDWELL who's estate was settled in York Co SC in
1784. The papers list his wife as Sarah. Security was signed by John
FONDERN and James WILKINSON no childern listed. Curtis sons that I know
of are John, Mathew, James, Curtis, Charles and maybe more. James,
Charles, and Curtis are in Ga by 1820's and Matthew went northwest. Some
of the boys were in Rutherford Co NC before going to Ga and northwest.
Ruby Stokes
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The Curtis CALDWELL you are looking for, and the one I am looking for, may be
the same one with different wives. My Curtis had a son Matthew by his wife
Nancy HOOD. Matthew was born June 1822 in Mt. Vernon, Illinois, and died 15
March 1912 in Dry Fork, Utah. Matthew had 5 wives, and at least 21 children.
The line I am following is Matthew's son Thomas Jefferson CALDWELL born 17
Jul 1844 in Green Plains, Illinois to his wife Barzilla GUYMON. Thomas married
Mary Ann PETERSON and Susan PERRY. Thomas' son Francis Marion CALDWELL, by
his first wife, was born 8 June 1870 in Levon, Utah, and married Amanda TAYLOR
and Effie May Bird ROADES.
Francis and Amanda had a son Blake CALDWELL, born 20 Apr 1897 and who married
Mildred OAKS 5 June 1924. They were the parents of 6 children. Their great
grandson is my son-in-law and the person I am trying to get this information
for so I can give him a family tree booklet for Christmas.
I would be happy to trade any information I have collected. Let me know if we
can help each other.
Thanks,
Dorothy Meurs
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I am researching a Curtis CALDWELL who was marred to Nancy HOOD. They lived at
one time in Illinois.
They had at least 2 sons. One of them was named Matthew CALDWELL, b Jun 1822
in Mt. Vernon, Jefferson, Illinois, and d 15 Mar 1912 in Dry Fork, Utah. He
had at least 5 wives: Barzilla GUYMON, Synthylia GUYMON, Nancy BUTLER, Amanda
Jane MOORE, and Nancy Mariah LANE. He was a part of the "Mormon Battalion";
named American Fork, Utah; was first Mayor of Spanish Fork, Utah,; served as a
legislator; and was the first postmaster of Dry Fork (Mountain Dell), Utah.
Most of the information I have gotten on the CALDWELL line so far is from a
book entitled "A Man Named Caldwell" by Terry Duane Harward.
My son-in-law (Matthew Blake CALDWELL) is a decendent of Thomas Jefferson
CALDWELL, the son of Matthew CALDWELL and Barzilla GUYMON.
Can anyone give me any additional information to help me add to Matt's family
tree. I am trying to get more information for inclusion in a Gen-Book that I
am compiling for him for a Christmas present. Any help or additional
information would be appreciate. You can contact me at DeDeeMe(a)aol.com
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Hello,
I am new to the list. My maiden name was Caldwell. I am interested in
finding information about Frank Norman Caldwell. He said he was born in
Kalamazoo, Michigan 4 Feb. 1883. I believe he ran away from home when he
was around 12 and went to work for the railroad - perhaps the Missouri
Parcific RR. He met my grandmother in Hoisington, Kansas around 1925.
Then they moved to Oklahoma. He lists his parents on his social security
application as:
Fred John Caldwell and Anna Margrett Strong of Michigan. Does anyone
have anything that might pertain to these people? I have been looking
for years and find nothing.
Kathy
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Hi
I'm researching a Curtis CALDWELL who's estate was settled in York Co SC in
1784. The papers list his wife as Sarah. Security was signed by John
FONDERN and James WILKINSON no childern listed. Curtis sons that I know
of are John, Mathew, James, Curtis, Charles and maybe more. James,
Charles, and Curtis are in Ga by 1820's and Matthew went northwest. Some
of the boys were in Rutherford Co NC before going to Ga and northwest.
Ruby Stokes
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I am of the southeastern Kentucky CALDWELL line. My grandmother was Alice C.
Caldwell Boggs.
Melva
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On the WILSON page, someone sent the names of all those who made the
land rush into OK in 1893.
)flash.ausbcomp.com/~bbott/winrr/CherokeeStrip.txt(
It included the following Caldwells: William, from KS; Burt, KS; James
W.; 2 Johns, both from KS; Lydia, KS; Leonard; Samuel from Rozella, KS.
My Isaac Henry married Ellice Runyon. James Runyon was on the list, as
Waggoner. I don't know if that is an occupation or the place from which
he came to OK.
Anyone know any of these Caldwells in OK? or elsewhere?
Ellice V. (Runyon) Caldwell was in Imperial County, CA in 1926, as was
her son, Fay I. Caldwell. Unable to locate her after that.
Thanks for any help you can be.
Ann in CA
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Are you a descendant of Lydia CALDWELL m John JAMES of Pike Co and
Montgomery Co MO?
----------
> From: MJames7376 <MJames7376(a)aol.com>
> To: CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Pronunciation
> Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 8:13 AM
>
>
> Hi,
> My grandmother Caldwell signed Colwell on her marriage license. The
> pronounced it more like Kah-well. or Ca well, My family came from Ky to
> Mid Missouri by 1816.
>
> Malinda James
>
>
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Are you a descendant of Lydia CALDWELL m John JAMES of Pike Co and
Montgomery Co MO?
----------
> From: MJames7376 <MJames7376(a)aol.com>
> To: CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Pronunciation
> Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 8:13 AM
>
>
> Hi,
> My grandmother Caldwell signed Colwell on her marriage license. The
> pronounced it more like Kah-well. or Ca well, My family came from Ky to
> Mid Missouri by 1816.
>
> Malinda James
>
>
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>Hi -
>
>I wonder if you may be connected to our Caldwells since you are from an
>Indiana Caldwell line and so many of ours come from there.
Fine. I have a lot of information, some of it accurate, on Caldwells in
Hancock County and Rush County Indiana. Many of them came north from Campbell
and Nicholas County around 1830. If you're interested in sharing details
contact me directly at jw_pr_brown(a)compserve.com so as not to bore the other
Caldwell-seekers.
I'm curious about other Indiana Caldwells because an interesting connection
just might crop up.
>But I do not think the old story concerning the origin of the name is
>correct.
I distrust the "Barbarossa legend" too. There are too many historical errors
in it.
J. W. Brown
Jim
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Since it is 1:00 am here, I will just make a brief introduction:
anything else might be too taxing on my brain at this time.
My name is Beth Browne and I live in Norfolk, Virginia. My mother's
maiden name was Frances Caldwell. Her father was Thomas Belton
Caldwell from the Spartanburg area of South Carolina. My brother told
about this list and suggested that I subscribe. I am looking forward
to knowing more Caldwell information.
Beth
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These are the names that people have signed to what they have wrote in this
leather bound album of 1838 and '40's. It belonged to Mary Hood each person
wrote a letter or poem or something like that to her. It is in it�s original
pen with incredible penmanship. If you recognize a name I will gladly send you
a jpg. of the page so you may see it. I bought it at a yard sale from a woman
who goes back East, buys antiques, and sells them ot here, in CA. I have had
this sitting in a box for years and thought "what if there were people who had
these people in their genealogy?" I would want someone to do this for me. So
here are the names:
Mary E. Hood ( Jewett) 1838 Georgetown MA
Mary Jane Parker 1841 Penbrooke
Joseph Williams Jr. 1838 Willamsburg MA died 1847
E. Hale Newbury Port died 1839
Caroline Natilda Georgetown 1838
H E Dorman 1840 Boxford
N C Winter married 1842 Ossfree hard to read the place
Helen (no last name) Georgetown
M P Bartlett 1841 South Kingston married 1842
Julia A (Jefsions) hard to read Bradford 1838
A Bartlett 1841? South Kingston
Apphia Ann !839 Georgetown
S B C Philadelphia
A D Boxford 1840
H Dorman 1840 Boxford died 1846 age 70
P P Dorman Boxford 1840
Harriet Amelia 1840 Penbroke died 1846 (knew french)
D D 1839 Georgetown married 1841
C H Campbell Professor of Penmanship Amherst N.C.
A Jane Cotton 1841 Penbroke (knew french)
Rebecca B. Pickett 1842 (no place probably Georgetown)
N Lorinne? (Not sure of spelling) 1839 Georgetown
Charles H. Walker Loudon, NH
M J Dresser 1839 Georgetown
Catherine 1840 Boxford married 1842
M Elizabeth Georgetown
(possible Charles Dicken he was a friend of her father) I don�t have his
original writing to compare it with.)
Juliaette Werham 1838
Almira 1839 Georgetown
R. Veorney 1841 Penbroke
Thomas Hood (her father, and poet) Georgetown 1840
S Withey 1841 Georgetown
Sincerely, Joyce
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vmw mentioned Kentucky Caldwells. I also have one: Martha "Patsy"
Caldwell. According to Family Bible she was born in 1812 and died in
1855. The 1850 census taken in Jefferson County, Iowa shows her
birthplace as Kentucky. The marriage records of Hancock Co., Illinois
indicate she married John Crenshaw on Dec 30, 1829. Their first six
children were born in Illinois and the last three in Iowa. We have
never found her parents or siblings. Let me know if you have any
possibilities that might tell me more about Martha.
joanh(a)wzrd.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: CALDWELL <caldw(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: douglas(a)globetrotter.qc.ca <douglas(a)globetrotter.qc.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pronunciation
>Hi -
>
>I wonder if you may be connected to our Caldwells since you are from an
>Indiana Caldwell line and so many of ours come
>from there. But I do not think the old story concerning the origin
>of the name is correct. That story, like many in genealogy, began long ago
>and has been repeated over and over again.
>
>The Scottish Genealogical Society in Glasgow says the original Caldwells
>came to Scotland in the 11th Century from Norway.
>That would make them part of the wave of Viking intrusions along the coasts
>of the British Isles.
>
>That is not to say that we have any Viking genes at this point because
there
>would have been many generations between those original Caldwells and all
of
>us.
>
>The Scottish society also says that the family originated in Renfrewshire
>and lived later in Ayrshire. It is apparently from
>Ayrshire that the Caldwells who moved to the northern counties of Ireland
>came.
>
>Best regards to a fellow Caldwell descendantt.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R. Garrett <douglas(a)globetrotter.qc.ca>
>To: CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 7:19 AM
>Subject: Re: Pronunciation
>
>
>>On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:36:43 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Diane
>>>
>>>Strange you should ask the pronunciation of Caldwell. My mother and uncle
>>>(also from Anderson IN by the way) always called them "Cowell" or
>"Cawell,"
>>>and a cousin of mine for years thought it was spelled that way. They came
>>>from Hancock Co IN and had a certain way with names. Another set of
>>>relatives were Liming, which they always rendered "Lemon." If that wasn'
>>>creative enough, yet another Hancock County family was Forrer which was,
>to
>>>them and quite solemnly so, "Furry." So a name is only what you make of
>it,
>>
>>this pronounciation would not be too far off if the
>>name is of FRENCH origin.
>>
>>>I guess.
>>>
>>>Jim Brown
>>
>>One should note these "pronounciations" as the way the
>>name is pronounced may be more constant than the way it
>>is spelled.
>>
>>This is especially true if the persons were illiterate
>>or semi-literate. The clerk or minister would write
>>the names the way he though they should be especially
>>if he was not familiar with the accent.. This process
>>is very creative and leads to the invention of new
>>surnames.
>>
>>
>>
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From: R. Garrett <douglas(a)globetrotter.qc.ca>
To: CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pronunciation
>On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:36:43 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>Diane
>>
>>Strange you should ask the pronunciation of Caldwell. My mother and uncle
>>(also from Anderson IN by the way) always called them "Cowell" or
"Cawell,"
>>and a cousin of mine for years thought it was spelled that way. They came
>>from Hancock Co IN and had a certain way with names. Another set of
>>relatives were Liming, which they always rendered "Lemon." If that wasn'
>>creative enough, yet another Hancock County family was Forrer which was,
to
>>them and quite solemnly so, "Furry." So a name is only what you make of
it,
>
>this pronounciation would not be too far off if the
>name is of FRENCH origin.
>
>>I guess.
>>
>>Jim Brown
>
>One should note these "pronounciations" as the way the
>name is pronounced may be more constant than the way it
>is spelled.
>
>This is especially true if the persons were illiterate
>or semi-literate. The clerk or minister would write
>the names the way he though they should be especially
>if he was not familiar with the accent.. This process
>is very creative and leads to the invention of new
>surnames.
>
>
>
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On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:36:43 -0500, you wrote:
>Diane
>
>Strange you should ask the pronunciation of Caldwell. My mother and uncle
>(also from Anderson IN by the way) always called them "Cowell" or "Cawell,"
>and a cousin of mine for years thought it was spelled that way. They came
>from Hancock Co IN and had a certain way with names. Another set of
>relatives were Liming, which they always rendered "Lemon." If that wasn'
>creative enough, yet another Hancock County family was Forrer which was, to
>them and quite solemnly so, "Furry." So a name is only what you make of it,
this pronounciation would not be too far off if the
name is of FRENCH origin.
>I guess.
>
>Jim Brown
One should note these "pronounciations" as the way the
name is pronounced may be more constant than the way it
is spelled.
This is especially true if the persons were illiterate
or semi-literate. The clerk or minister would write
the names the way he though they should be especially
if he was not familiar with the accent.. This process
is very creative and leads to the invention of new
surnames.
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Diane
Strange you should ask the pronunciation of Caldwell. My mother and uncle
(also from Anderson IN by the way) always called them "Cowell" or "Cawell,"
and a cousin of mine for years thought it was spelled that way. They came
from Hancock Co IN and had a certain way with names. Another set of
relatives were Liming, which they always rendered "Lemon." If that wasn't
creative enough, yet another Hancock County family was Forrer which was, to
them and quite solemnly so, "Furry." So a name is only what you make of it,
I guess.
Jim Brown
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Where in IN. Mine were in KY and IN and then some in MO. I like CALDWELL,
and that is what my mother always used. vmw At 08:04 PM 12/4/97 -0700,
you wrote:
>Yes, actually I have heard it that way and a lot of other ways too.
>I remember someone (not too bright apparently) who read out the name as
>"Cod-well" while I waited in a waiting room to be
>called. So there are variations. Some of them have to do with
>patterns of speech in particular areas of the United States. Diane, the one
>who placed the original post, is from Indiana.
>Perhaps the pronunciation there has to do with regional
>patterns.
>
>She is from the same American Caldwell family as I am although we branch off
>back around 1700. I pronounce the
>full name Cahld-well, as though it were cold well but with an
>"ah" in place of the "o". That is the local and probably standard way.
>
>There is a local family named Coldwell, probably just another
>variant of the name.
>of doing it.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Emily Caldwell <caldwell(a)eni.net>
>To: CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CALDWELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Pronunciation
>
>
>>I pronounce it Caldwell. My father pronounced that way. I have not really
>>heard the way that you say it.
>>
>>Any one else?
>>
>>
>>
>>At 06:17 PM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hi all you Caldwell's. How many of you pronounce your surname Ca'well
>>>like I do?
>>>
>>>Diane Swift
>>>Anderson IN
>>>ldswift(a)indy.net
>>>
>>
>>
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