I had the marriage of your Patrick Cain Sr to Elinor as 11 Feb 1736 -
should I change that?
Then the first Patrick Cain in my list (Abbeyville SC and Livingston Co KY)
was likely the one married to Susannah Crawford I would assume. I have the
following in notes from Marilyn Cain but did not have the name of his
spouse:
When I first entered the service, I lived in the District of Ninety Six,
state of South Carolina and the rest of the time in Abbeville District for
19 years. I then moved to Jackson City (Jackson County??), GA where I lived
about 10 years. I then moved to TN where I lived 1 year. The balance of the
time I have lived in this County.
Livingston Co., KY Rev. War pension papers- Patrick Cain S.1185 (pension #)
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Subject: Re: [CAIN] Cain Family Tree and background, Re: Patrick Cain, B.
1765 Ireland
In a message dated 1/15/2009 8:14:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
candywagner(a)neo.rr.com writes:
Thank you for the reply Frank. No, my Patrick Cain is one of at least three
or four Patrick Cain's born around the same time and moving around the U.S.
I call the three most documented Patrick's the following:
Patrick Cain of Abbeyville SC and Livingston KY b Sep 25 1741.
Patrick Cain of Augusta Co VA, and Orangeburgh SC b abt 1712.
Patrick Cain of Grayson Co KY and County Galway Ireland, b abt 1765.
The fourth is a son of the Augusta Co VA Patrick, who lived in Barnwell SC
and died in the war in 1780.
- I do not know which on married Susan Crawford if it wasn't the Augusta Co
Patrick - you are right, there is a lot of research out there that says that
he did.
- One of the Patrick's arrived in the U.S. in 1751 on the ship Tyral - that
is documented. I know this wasn't mine as he wasn't born yet. One
researcher said this Patrick Cain owned a tavern in MD and most of his
descendents migrated to the Carolinas.
- Your Augusta VA Co Patrick is the second one of course.
- I believe the first one died in Livingston Co KY 26 Nov 1836 from what I
have seen, but I did not research either the first or second, as it became
clear they were not mine. I show him married to a Molly.
- There is a Patrick Cain in New Jersey in the 1773 colonial census - do not
know which one this is.
- There is a Patrick Cain, indentured servent, who arrives in the 1770's in
Philadelphia and escapes his indentureship at abt age 13 on the eve of the
war (news ads looking for him posted by his "owner". I believe this one
could be mine, who shows up in Grayson County Ky from 1790 - 1840. He may
have been in the Rev War as well in the area of Philadelphia. My Patrick is
married to a Maranda when in Kentucky, but was old enough to have married
more than once.
- Based on the Cain DNA website testing, I am grouped quite clearly with
some who have roots back to north County Galway. There are also 8 or so
other very clear groups that trace to other parts of the British Isles,
primarily Ireland.
- I am curious if you have identified another Patrick Cain, married to
Susannah Crawford, or is that the first one in my list? (This is the Patrick
Cain's wife that lived in Abbeville, Old Ninety-Six District, South
Carolina)
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Author: candy3196
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I am a fan of the testing, as I had hit my brick wall with Patrick
Cain b
1765, died in Kentucky. Could not find him > anywhere at all prior
to
1790. Now I know he was born in Ireland, and most likely where, and have
some
distant connections in Australia that are also descended from his
ancestors. We are searching together now for his > family in County
Galway.
Good look to you in your search
Candy
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From: _Trowmcn(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Trowmcn@aol.com)
Hello Candy,
Your Patrick Cain, I am almost positive, was living in Ninety-Six District,
SC in the Abbeville, SC area when the American Revolution started. He
married one Susan or Susannah Crawford in Abbeville, Ninety-Six District,
SC. Susan died in 1830 and is buried in a cemetery in the Abbeville, SC
vicinity. After her death, Patrick and their sons packed up and left South
Carolina, first going to Kentucky and later on, into Louisiana.
The reason that I am so familiar with your Patrick Cain is that my mother,
in 1936, located your Patrick and thought he was her ancestor, Patrick Cain,
a Patriot in the American Revolution, who was murdered by Tories in 1781
in
Barnwell District, SC. It turned out that her Patrick was born on the Isle
of Man in 1737 and came to this country in the Fall of 1747 to the
Scots-Irish Settlement in Augusta Co., VA with his father, Patrick Cain,
Sr., born 1712 in Ballaugh Parish, Isle of Man, younger sister, Ealee
(Alice), b. 1746 on the Isle of Man) and possibly other children. I have
located the marriage record of Patrick Cain, Sr in Ballaugh Parish, Isle of
Man. His wife was named
Ellinor Clarke. They were married in February 1737 in KK Michael Parish,
Isle of Man, son Patrick,Jr. was born the following June, 1737. Patrick,
Sr, born in 1712, was the survivor of twins born to Ann Corliss Cain, wife
of Adam Cain of Ballaugh Parish. Her grandson, Patrick Cain, Jr. was old
enough to be your Patrick's father!
(Note the corrections which I made to my first letter to you.)
I hope my information will be helpful to you as my mother's honest mistake
back in the dark ages of genealogy research in 1936 has been widely
published by others who blindly followed her mistake. I have finally,
after three
quarters of a century, proven her error beyond question, but many
"hardcases" still refuse to accept my proof. They are probably too "bull
headed" to admit that they were derelict in verifying their own research
without checking the
accuracy of copied data from another person's research. Although, to be
fair, back in the 1930s and even up to the computer age, genealogical
research was very dependent on the accuracy of old records. Thank goodness
for this enlightened age!
My data came straight from Official Parish Records which were microfilmed
by the Mormons. These data are readily available at local Family History
Centers. My local center ordered this film for me.
Frank Trowbridge
Trowmcn(a)aol.com
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1-15-09
Hello again Candy,
Boy, those old Cains on the Isle of Man, as well as the ones that wound up
in Ireland, certainly did love the names, Patrick and John! They were as
bad or worse than the Walker family, to whom I am also related, with using
only a few given names for their male children. The Walkers reputedly did
this to confuse the tax collector, so I suppose the Cains also subscribed to
this practice. It surely does make it difficult for us 21st Century
researchers to differentiate between individuals! Fortunately, the Isle of
Man Church Records are simply wonderful in their thoroughness. Sadly, the
baptismal records fail to show the name of the child's mother so that makes
things a little dicey sometimes.
Please correct your database to remove Susannah Crawford as Patrick Cain,
Junior's wife so as to reflect the true names of the wives of the Patrick
Cains, Senior and Junior, that were in Barnwell/Orangeburg District, SC.
Incidentally, my Patrick Cain, Jr. married a Molly Griffin or Griffith in
1761 in the Waxhaw Settlement in present day Union County, NC, before he and
his father moved to Orangeburgh Dist., in about 1773. Patrick, Jr. was a
Deputy Land Surveyor and surveyed many land lots in Camden District, SC
(Great Pee Dee River area) from about 1760 until he moved to Orangeburgh
(the part now Barnwell County, SC). He continued in his profession until
1775, when he joined a Militia Unit called the "Colleton Foote" and was
elected Lieutenant in 1775 when the Revolution first started. He was also
elected as a Representative to the First South Carolina State Legislature in
1780 until the British overran the Capitol in Columbia, SC the next year.
He was murdered by Tories in the late summer or early Fall of 1781.
Please pass this new data on to whomever you wish. It is valid data, based
on proven records!
Frank Trowbridge
Trowmcn(a)aol.com
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