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> >
> > I am looking for information on Willie J. Cain, a minister in Detroit
> > Michigan. He passed away in Detroit in 1925 and his obit. says he had
> two
> > daughters Coriner & Evelyn.
> > Willie was born in Kentucky, his parents names were William & Martha
> > Elizabeth Cain.
> > Thanks.....
Can anyone help me with the Peter Lynn Cain family? I need his parents,
siblings and the rest of his children's names.
According to the 1850 census for Calhoun County, MI, Peter was living with the
John Cole family. Sometime after the census was taken Peter married John's
daughter Elizabeth. I haven't found Peter and Elizabeth in the 1860 or 1870
census records. They are in Montcalm County, MI in the 1880 census.
Both Peter and Elizabeth were born circa 1827. The 1880 census shows Peter
and his parents born in New Jersey. Elizabeth was born in NY and her parents
in RI.
Any help anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated.
Please e-mail me at JSTOUT2(a)aol.com.
Thank you.
Seeking information on the family and descendants of Joseph Green Cain.
Joseph was born in Georgia on December 8, 1874, died in Texas on
November 1, 1956 and is buried in Denison, Texas. He was the son of John
Robert Cain and Luna Mississippi (Brown) Cain. He was married to
Eugenia (maiden name unknown). From this union there was three children:
Lettie, George and John. The dates of birth for the children are
unknown. Joseph Green was a railroad conductor (name of railroad
unknown). In the 1900 census, Joseph was enumerated in Denison, Grayson
County, Texas. Any information provided in connection with this family
will certain be appreciated. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Homer Cain
Still looking for parents/family of Agnes Cain married William Kirk agnes
born abt 1778 I believe they were from Va originally they later settled in
Hancock Ill.Thank youall for any info on this family
Patricia Perkins at caviness(a)abts.net
The Mary Cain on page 221 of the 1850 Ritchie Co. Va. census is certainly hard
to read. It appears she is the only person in that household. While there are
plenty of Cain relatives around her in the Western District of Ritchie Co.,
none are adjacent. She has to be a daughter or grandaughter (or had been
married to a son or grandson) of Daniel Cain.
John G. Cain, son of Daniel, had a daughter named Mary born in 1819, but I
have no spouse or death date on her.
James Cain, another son of Daniel, also had a daughter named Mary, but I have
no further information on her. James also had a son named James, who married a
Mary A. Harris, but I have their marriage as taking place in 1860, seemingly
ruling her out.
Arnold Cain, son of Daniel, had a daughter named Mary, but I have no further
information on her.
Also, Arnold Cain's second wife was named Mary, but she apparently died early?
Daniel Cain had a daughter named Mary, b 1779 in Lewis Co. VA, and died 1854
in Wood Co. Mary married her cousin David Cain, and they had a daughter Mary.
This younger Mary died in 1882 in Ritchie Co., but I do not know if she
married.
Too many Mary's - but the one in the census is probably one of these. Have you
found any other hints to solving this puzzle?
Don Shelton
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Do you have any information regarding the Cain family residing in
Nottingham, England
in the 1940's.
We have particular interest in :
Thomas Cain
Minnie Jean Cain (Nee Cole)
as we know these people are related to my wifes mother. We are on the
trail of lost
relatives you see.
It is pouring (typically) with rain here in England !
Thank you for your time !
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I didn't get a death certificate but I received something almost as good. I
called cemeteries until I found the one where my grandfather was buried.He
died in 1949 in California. They told me a lot of info over the phone and
sent me a copy of the Permit For Removal And Burial. This permit listed his
name, date & place of birth and death and burial, father's name, mother's
maiden name, SSN, spouse's name, cause of death, all kinds of great info to
help me. So you might want to give this a try if you're having trouble
getting a death certificate.
Jan
Colorado
At 02:17 PM 11/4/1998 -0800, you wrote:
>CAIN-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 117
>
>Today's Topics:
> #1 Fw: Death of a Cemetery ["bpack" <bpack(a)naxs.net>]
>
<much verbiage snipped>
Cemeteries have been a resource of genealogists and the information
contained in them needs to find a way into the public records. There need
be no laws otherwise to protect them because if you never recycled any the
whole planet would eventually be covered with cemeteries! Public ones
should be privatized and if they cannot be supported, sold for other uses
or turned into public parks for the living. The most important resource is
the information they contain of past history. There is also the possibility
that in some instances the contents would be of some future scientific
value for medical or legal uses. There are so many that it is not clear
that this last possibility is supportable. Anyone want to pay for DNA
studies of their ancestors to see who begat whom?
If there are laws passed regarding cemeteries, it should only be that
before one be destroyed that a complete record of all tombstone
inscriptions be placed in a public record.
Joseph Cain cain(a)tfn.net
Phones: (850) 385-0227/0267; Fax: (850) 385-0267 after call to setup
Tallahassee FL 32312-3029
http://www.tdo.com/~cain
In a message dated 11/5/98 8:17:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, cain(a)tfn.net
writes:
<< >Today's Topics:
> #1 Fw: Death of a Cemetery ["bpack" <bpack(a)naxs.net>]
>
<much verbiage snipped>
Cemeteries have been a resource of genealogists and the information
contained in them needs to find a way into the public records. There need
be no laws otherwise to protect them because if you never recycled any the
whole planet would eventually be covered with cemeteries! >>
<<Joseph Cain cain(a)tfn.net>>
I'm always amazed that Great Britain, Republic of Ireland, and Europe have
been able to keep their (common folk) cemeteries intact for hundreds of
years...500+ in some instances. Also, I have ancestors buried SC on the old
family farm, now 9th hole of a golf course and, another instance, smack in the
middle of a high income subdivision...roads circle the little cemetery, making
it a median/centerpiece.
I wonder if we really need to sacrifice these cemeteries or does it just
require considerate, respectful planning to keep them going? In a country
that doesn't respect life (look at our crime rate), I guess it's too much to
ask that we would respect our dead. But I can't/won't buy into the progress
thing, that's just an easy black/white answer.
Gale Bramlett
(gmbp44(a)aol.com)
I got this on another list I belong to and thought I should pass it along.
Its lengthy but interesting.
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> From: mossuto <mossuto(a)gateway.net>
> To: WEBB-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WEBB-L] Fw: Death of a Cemetery
> Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:25 PM
>
> This is tragic, and probably unstoppable in many ways, but........
> If all genealogists banned together, couldn't we put pressure on the
> politicians to change the law?
>
> I was amazed when I was in Virginia, when I would see a few graves beside
> the highway as I traveled along, or in the center of a parking lot. I
> thought that showed a great deal of respect and planning. I was
impressed!
>
> I am of mixed emotions on the subject. Granted, time does march on, and
> progress is progress, and new owners are a way of life. However, I also
> believe that if there is absolutely no other way, then, at a minimum, the
> headstones and cemetery records should be preserved somewhere, like
another
> cemetery.
>
> At the time of the purchase, I believe the purchaser should be made away
of
> this requirement as a condition of the sale.
>
> This is my knee-jerk reaction to this article I just received. I have
more
> thinking to do on the subject, and hope you do too!
>
> Marion.
> ----------
> > From: Cindy H-M Bray <cbray(a)dallas.net>
> > To: MULLINS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Death of a Cemetery
> > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:47 PM
> >
> > Dear All,
> > I got this from the HALE courtesy of Susan Bruce.
> > It is the saddest most atrocious I have read in a long, long time.
> > CindyHMB
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > This article was sent to me. I found it very sad. I wasn't aware that
> > cemeteries are not protected under all state laws.
> > Thanks,
> > Susan Bruce
> > Springfield, Missouri
> >
> >
> >
> > The Death of a Cemetery
> > Wayne Township graveyard destroyed for warehouse shows
final
> > resting places aren't so final under state law. News
> > Sports
> > More Services
> >
> > By Bill Shaw
> > Indianapolis Star/News
> > INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 22, 1998) -- Sometime in 1844, James
> Rhoads, a
> > prominent Wayne Township farmer, died. He was 70. His family members
and
> > friends buried him in a grove of walnut trees on a hill overlooking a
> little
> > creek.
> >
> > It was the first burial in what would become Rhoads
Cemetery.
> > During the next half-century, 43 members of the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute
and
> Rude
> > families would be sent to eternity in the walnut grove.
> >
> > The tiny cemetery was the scene of extraordinary grief over
> the
> > years as members of the four families repeatedly journeyed in
horse-drawn
> > wagons across the sweeping fields and up the lonesome hill to bury
their
> > children.
> >
> > Staff photo / Kelly Wilkinson
> > DISTURBED GROUND: Danny J. White found this
grave
> > marker while looking at the site of the old Rhoads Cemetery. The grave
> stone
> > says "Wife of James Rhoads ...," being the grave stone for Hannah
Rhoads.
> Duke
> > Investments owns this property now, and White is upset at how the
company
> has
> > excavated this site.
> >
> > Thomas B. Rhoads was 7 months old in August 1849 when he
died
> of
> > an inflamed brain. Elmer Shute was 2 when he died of a bowel infection
in
> > August 1859. Hiram Foltz was an infant. George Foltz was 1. Lillian
> Rhoads was
> > 2 and died of whooping cough on Aug. 13, 1878. Casey Rhoads died of an
> > inflamed brain when he was 2. Emma Rude died at 18 months.
> >
> > On and on they died until there were 35 children buried in
> the
> > peaceful cemetery on the hill.
> >
> > By the dawn of the 20th century, the burying ceased as the
> four
> > families either died out or drifted away from southern Wayne Township.
> Nobody
> > paid much attention to the old cemetery anymore.
> >
> > The cemetery and surrounding farmland changed owners
several
> > times. Each new owner farmed the fields and tended the old cemetery out
> of
> > respect for earlier generations of Hoosier families. The farmers could
> have
> > knocked down the trees, plowed under the tombstones, planted corn on
the
> > graves and made a few more dollars at harvest.
> >
> > But they didn't.
> >
> > The pace of change in Wayne Township picked up dramatically
> in
> > 1931 when the Indianapolis airport opened on 900 acres, gobbling up
> farmland
> > and triggering a development explosion in western Marion County.
> >
> > Still, the land around the old cemetery remained untouched,
> save
> > for the annual spring plowing. The burying ground remained unmolested,
> decade
> > after decade, hidden on the hill in a 60-foot-wide opening in the
walnut
> grove
> >
> > Danny J. White grew up in the Lafayette Heights
neighborhood,
> just
> > south of the cemetery. In the 1970s, the field around the cemetery
served
> as a
> > dirt bike track for White and his teen-age buddies. He crossed it many
> times
> > walking to Ben Davis High School. The old dead-end dirt road served as
a
> teen-
> > age lovers' lane. Neighborhood families held picnics beneath a massive,
> > gnarled oak tree just east of the cemetery.
> >
> > White, 41, is a tool and die maker and an Indy Racing
League
> > mechanic. He helped fabricate the car Eddie Cheever drove to victory in
> the
> > 1998 Indianapolis 500.
> >
> > Every day driving to work along I-465 near the airport,
he'd
> > glance to the east through the sprawl of hotels, office buildings,
> warehouses,
> > parking lots, gas stations and fast food joints, and take comfort that
> the
> > solitary hill and the dark grove of trees remained in this mass of
> concrete
> > and asphalt.
> >
> > "Even when I was a kid the cemetery and the area
surrounding
> it
> > was breathtaking," he recalled.
> >
> > In the name of development
> >
> > By 1995, the fields that stretched to the horizon when
James
> > Rhoads was buried so long ago had shrunk to 21.2 acres.
> >
> > Now jet planes scream overhead, and the rumble of nearby
I-70
> and
> > I-465 is constant. Cement trucks and construction equipment line the
old
> > lovers' lane, and new buildings seem to appear daily, landscaped with
> skinny
> > stick trees, surrounded by acres of asphalt.
> >
> > One day about 18 months ago, Danny J. White was driving to
> work
> > and glanced toward the familiar hill and the concealed cemetery. He was
> > startled to see it surrounded by yellow trucks, graders, backhoes and
> dirt
> > scrapers.
> >
> > He raced immediately to the cemetery and felt his stomach
> heave.
> > The tombstones were gone. There were ugly gashes in the earth. The big
> yellow
> > machines had pulled the graves from the earth.
> >
> > "It was sickening," he recalled. He was furious. He made
> dozens of
> > phone calls and fired off angry letters to an assortment of government
> > officials seeking an explanation.
> >
> > He got one.
> >
> > It was all quite legal, according to state officials. Now
go
> away
> > and quit bothering us, Danny J. White.
> >
> > He wondered how such an abomination could occur in
> conservative,
> > family-values Indiana where, he, like most Hoosiers, was raised to
> respect the
> > dead and revere their hallowed, final resting place.
> >
> > "How did this happen?" he asked. "You don't mess with
> graves."
> >
> > Well, here's what happened, Danny. They do mess with
graves.
> >
> > James Rhoads, Thomas, Henry, Casey, Elmer and the other
> children
> > and eight adults who rested more than 150 years in the safety of the
> walnut
> > grove became the property of Duke Realty Investments Inc.
> >
> > Duke, which owns or manages 60 million square feet of real
> estate
> > in eight states, bought the 21.2 acres and the 360-square-foot cemetery
> in
> > 1995.
> >
> > "We purchased the land for development purposes," explained
> Donna
> > Coppinger, the helpful vice president of marketing for Duke. "We
couldn't
> > develop a site with a cemetery on it."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > "It wasn't what we wanted to do," she said.
> >
> > Duke will soon level the hill and build a
458,000-square-foot
> bulk
> > distribution warehouse on the 21.2 acres, obliterating the
one-tenth-acre
> > Rhoads Cemetery.
> >
> > It's legal
> >
> > Nearly two years ago, after they bought the land Duke hired
> an
> > archaeology company called NES Inc. in Blue Ash, Ohio, and together
they
> filed
> > the necessary forms with the Indiana Department of Natural Resources
> Division
> > of Historic Preservation and Archaeology to dig up the Rhoads, Foltz,
> Shute
> > and Rude families.
> >
> > State laws, which are made by the 150 members of the
Indiana
> > General Assembly with extensive guidance from corporate lobbyists,
allow
> > property owners to demolish old cemeteries they find on their land.
Throw
> away
> > the tombstones, plant corn or build a warehouse on the graves. It's
> legal.
> >
> > DNR's chief archaeologist Rick Jones is monitoring the Duke
> > demolition. He said his agency issues about 10 cemetery relocation
> permits a
> > year. How many cemeteries simply are destroyed, he doesn't know. "We
have
> no
> > way of knowing," he said.
> >
> > But throwing away tombstones and paving over graves doesn't
> > require a permit. Just do it. It's legal. In fact, old tombstones often
> end up
> > in flea markets.
> >
> > "Most people think cemeteries are forever," Jones explained
> slowly
> > and uncomfortably. This is not a topic most state officials enjoy
> discussing.
> > "In Indiana, cemeteries are not forever. If you own the property, you
can
> > bulldoze them down. Basically, in Indiana, nothing is sacred."
> >
> > Digging into graves and moving them does require some
> paperwork,
> > except for farmers who are exempt from even that minor inconvenience.
> >
> > "Farmers can just throw away the tombstones and plow up the
> > graves," said Jones. "And they do. The Indiana Farm Bureau got the
> legislature
> > to exempt farmers."
> >
> > A couple years ago, DNR proposed a bill to offer some mild
> > protection for old pioneer cemeteries. Corporate lobbyists smothered
the
> bill
> > in committee, and it never received even token consideration.
> >
> > The end of Rhoads
> >
> > Anyway, Duke's cemetery demolition project proceeded under
> DNR
> > Digging Permit 960062.
> >
> > NES Inc. archaeologist Jeannine Kreinbrink directed the
> removal of
> > "remains," once known in another life as James Rhoads, Elmer, Thomas,
> Casey
> > and others.
> >
> > Kreinbrink, who now works for Natural and Ethical
> Environmental
> > Solutions Inc. of Liberty Township, Ohio, did not return phone calls.
> >
> > She did submit a preliminary report, as required, to the
> DNR's
> > Rick Jones.
> >
> > It's a haunting document, complete with photographs of the
> > "remains." In many cases, much remains of the remains, like the
perfectly
> > preserved bones of little children, their arms crossed, lying in tiny
> > hexagonal coffins. Pieces of shoes and clothing remain.
> >
> > The report also contains a diagram of each grave's
location,
> the
> > shape of the coffin and what was in it. Each former person is
identified
> by a
> > letter and a number.
> >
> > For example, C-2 was the "well-preserved remains of an
adult.
> Sex
> > unknown. Head to west. Arms at side."
> >
> > B-10 contained the "well-preserved remains of an adult.
Arms
> > folded with hands over waist."
> >
> >
> > Mr. D-1 was obviously a wheat farmer because he was buried
> with a
> > wheat scythe and a small plate.
> >
> > Infant D-6 was buried beneath 2.8 feet of dirt in a
> decorative
> > metal coffin called a sarcophagus with a glass viewing window.
> >
> > E-7 was an older adult male with a engraved tulip on his
> coffin
> > and the words "Rest In Peace."
> >
> > A-1 was the "poorly preserved remains of an infant, sex
> unknown.
> > Few scattered post cranial remains."
> >
> > B-1 was an "adult female 20-35 years. Well-preserved
> remains."
> >
> > And on it went in graphic detail. Most people were buried
> under
> > only 2 feet of dirt, symbolically facing the setting sun, the western
> horizon.
> >
> > "I feel a connection with these people," Rick Jones said
> quietly,
> > flipping through the depressing document. "You feel something looking
> into a
> > child's grave after 150 years. These are people that used to live, walk
> around
> > and breathe. We're literally looking into the past and I feel a
profound
> sense
> > of respect."
> >
> > He paused, blinked a couple times.
> >
> > "This is a serious thing."
> >
> > Once Elmer and the others were dug up, labeled with numbers
> and
> > letters, they were shipped to anthropologist Stephen Nawrocki at the
> > University of Indianapolis on the Southside.
> >
> > He was hired by Duke under terms of digging permit 960062,
> which
> > required an "osteological" investigation by an anthropologist. That is
a
> study
> > of the bones and "artifacts" for historical significance.
> >
> > "I haven't been cleared by Duke to discuss this with
> reporters.
> > I'm just a sub, sub contractor," said Nawrocki. Jeannine Kreinbrink
> called and
> > told him not to talk, he said. Her firm is paying his fees.
> >
> > When will your report be done, doctor?
> >
> > "I don't know."
> >
> > Once his report is complete, DNR will either order Duke to
> rebury
> > the "remains" somewhere else or they will "be kept in a lab for future
> study,"
> > said Jones.
> >
> > Last December, Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services
> Director,
> > Duke Construction Inc., fired off a stern letter to DNR officials.
> >
> > "Duke's schedule for construction start-up in this project
> area is
> > rapidly approaching, so it is imperative that the (DNR) properly issue
a
> > clearance letter for this project area."
> >
> > Part of the reason for delay was DNR's displeasure with
> Jeannine
> > Kreinbrink's preliminary report. Jon C. Smith, director of DNR's
Division
> of
> > Historic Preservation and Archaeology, found about 40 points in her
> report he
> > wanted explained, corrected or expanded upon -- like what did Duke plan
> to do
> > with the "unwanted" headstones they dug up?
> >
> > On July 22, DNR issued a conditional permit to begin
"ground
> > disturbing activities" but demanded an archaeologist be present in case
> > additional "human remains" are uncovered.
> >
> > "We'll probably start drainage work and soil things soon,"
> said
> > Donna Coppinger, the Duke marketing person. "Site preparation before
> winter
> > means if we can get the site ready, we construct our industrial
warehouse
> > product this winter. The building will be 1,032 feet long and 440 feet
> wide."
> >
> > This is good news? "It is good news. We're good corporate
> > neighbors," she said.
> >
> > Property of Duke
> >
> > The other day Danny J. White visited the old cemetery one
> last
> > time before the ancient walnuts and solitary oak are bulldozed, the
hill
> > flattened and the "final" resting place for 35 kids and eight adults is
> erased
> > from the face of the earth.
> >
> > He hiked through the alfalfa field, brimming with buzzing
> bees,
> > butterflies and summer wildflowers and up the hill. He rummaged around
> through
> > the dense brush at the edge of the cemetery. Day lilies planted 150
years
> ago
> > around the graves still flourish.
> >
> > "Look what I found," he said suddenly, emerging from the
> brush
> > with the broken top half of a tombstone bearing the words "WIFE OF
JAMES
> > RHOADS. DIED." He found it in a bulldozed pile of dirt between two old
> tires,
> > beer cans and soda pop bottles.
> >
> > What to do? Surely the DNR would want Mrs. Rhoads' broken
> > tombstone. It couldn't be left in the pile of tires and broken glass.
> Somebody
> > might steal it. It might be demolished in "site preparation." It could
be
> lost
> > forever, a historic treasure, the last poignant symbol of a person's
> life,
> > sacrificed on the altar of economic development and corporate
> neighborliness.
> >
> > A quick phone call to DNR research archaeologist Amy L.
> Johnson
> > provided the answer.
> >
> > "Put it back," she said firmly.
> >
> > What?
> >
> > "Put it back," she said again.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > "It belongs to Duke. It is their property."
> >
> > James Rhoads' wife's name was believed to be Hannah, and
she
> died
> > on July 24, 1849, at age 85. Her husband, remember, was the first
person
> > buried in the cemetery in August 1844.
> >
> > Her broken tombstone, which was carefully placed in the
> Hoosier
> > soil during solemn, no doubt tearful, ceremonies 149 long summers ago,
> was
> > returned to the pile of bulldozed dirt, tires, broken glass, beer and
pop
> > bottles.
> >
> > It belonged to Duke.
> >
> > It's the law.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== MULLINS Mailing List ====
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Someone gave me this site and it's great. You type in the city or county and
state and they post all the funeral homes there with the address and phone
number.
Hope it helps!
Jan
Colorado
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