The book is at home and I'm at work, but I'll try to dig it out and give
more exact info. However, the source is "Cagles of West-Central
Georgia." It is one of his most recent books. I'm not at all saying
that John G. is right on the parentage of Jacob 1766, but when
confronted with two irreconcilable lines it is my policy to follow John
G. until I have proof otherwise. In the end, he may indeed be wrong.
I'll check, or someone else who has this book can check if they get a
chance earlier.
-----Original Message-----
From: caglel1(a)juno.com [mailto:caglel1@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:50 PM
To: dcagle(a)sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: Cagle Research
Damon,
Will you quote from the source where you find John G Cagle confirming
the
parentage of Jacob 1766. John G has changed his opinion on many of
his earliest theories and this may just be the case. I don't have all
his published
papers, but someone on the list will have it and can search it out.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:06:43 -0600 "Damon Cagle" <dcagle(a)sbcglobal.net>
writes:
I agree with Lee that Jacob 1755 is son of David. However, John G.
Cagle lists Jacob 1766 (who married Eliz. Gilmore) as a son of
Charles,
not a son of John Dutchman. Both John Dutchman and Charles listed
sons
named "Jacob" in their wills. It is unclear to me from surface
reading
of John Dutchman's will that Elizabeth Gilmore is a daughter-in-law
and
not a daughter. This would mean that if Jacob 1766 is in fact the
son
of Charles and not John Dutchman, that he apparently married his
first
cousin (Elizabeth Cagle Gilmore). Can anyone shed any light on
this?
This is one of two or three major discrepancies I have in my files.
Until I get this cleared up to my satisfaction, I will continue to
list
Jacob 1766 under Charles, where John G. Cagle has placed him.
-----Original Message-----
From: caglel1(a)juno.com [mailto:caglel1@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:55 PM
To: CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CAGLE] Re: Cagle Research
Gran,
Jacob Cagle, b. 1755 is not the son of John Dutchman Cagle. He is
the
son of Johan Theobald Cagle.
John Dutchman Cagle does have a son Jacob; however, he was born 1766
and
married Elizbeth Gilmore.
Yes, I do have an electronically reproduced cy of the Will as
follows:
Will Book A, page 49
JOHN CAGLE'S WILL
In the name of God Amen. I, John Cagle of Moore County being sound
and
perfect mind and memory blessed by god do this Eighteenth day of May
in
the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety Eight
make
and
publish this my last will and testament in manner following that is
to
say -
First I give and bequeath to Cathrine Cagle, my beloved wife, my
land
and
plantation my stock of horses cattle & hogs all the household
furniture,
by her freely & quickly and peaceably to be possessed till my sons
come
of age, John Cagle and William Cagle.
John, my son John Cagle shall have one hundred and fifty acres of
land
lying on the south side of Cabin Creek and my son William Cagle
shall
have one hundred and twelve acres in the fork of Cabin Creek and
Bear
Creek the plantation I am now living on after his coming of age. My
wife
Cathrine Cagle shall have ten acres in what part she pleases of the
said
old plantation as long as she lives or remains my widow and
afterwards
it
shall belong to my son William Cagle and he also, shall have
thirty-eight
acres of land lying by the Meeting House by him freely to be
possessed
and enjoyed.
Also my daughters Susanna Cagle, Dorety Cagle, and Margaret Cagle
shall
have the horses cattle hogs and all the household furniture shall
be
divided among them three equally after my wife Cathrine Cagle's
deceased
by them freely possessed and enjoyed.
I also give to my beloved children Jacob Cagle & Elizabeth Gilmore
&
George Cagle & Mary Melton and Henry Cagle everyone of them to have
the
sum of twenty shillings to be paid out of my estate & I do hereby
utterly
disallow revoke & disannul all and every other former testaments
wills &
legacies bequeathed and executors by me in any wise before this
time
named will and bequeathed ratifying & confirmed this and no other to
be
my last will and testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set
my
hand
and seal the day and year first above written.
I do hereby appoint Bartholomew Dunn and George Cagle as executors.
His Mark
John
X Cagle
>From the 1799 Will of John, filed in Moore Co., NC., we learn his
wife's
name and the names of his
ten children: Jacob, b. 1760s; Elizabeth, b. 1750s; George, b.
1750s;
and
Mary b. 1760s, m: James
Melton; these four children are thought to be from his first
marriage.
The next six are thought to be
from his second marriage to Catarina "Caty" Seitz/Sides: Henry, b.
1770s;
Susanna, b. 1770s; John,
b. 1780s-1830s; William, b. 1788; Dorety, b. 1789, m: David Jones;
Margaret, b. 1790s. It might be speculated that two of these
children
--
Henry and Dorety (Dorothy) were named after John Henry
Seitz/Sides and Dorotha Elisabeth Felsinger Seitz/sides, who are
the
parents of Catarina "Caty".
John Dutchman is buried in the Cagle Family Cemetery on John's old
homestead. You go northeast from junction #1001 and #1434 about
200
yards to an open field on the north side of the road. Then go west
across the center of the open field (Old Cagle house stood in the
center
of this field) for 100 yards to a twin poplar near the edge of the
field;
continue west for 25 yards to an old road bed leading towards Cabin
Creek
and to the paddy spring. The cemetery is marked by a tripple red
oak.
John and his
wife are thought to be buried here, along with his son, George and
his
wife, George's son, John and
his wife Martha's tombstones, together with their daughter's
tombstone,
Louisa A Cagle Goldston. There
are other marked and unmarked graves.
In, "Miscellaneous Ancient Records of Moore County, N.C." by Rassie
E.
Wicker...it states on Pg. 117 ..The Seventh or 1850 Census of Moore
County...'The remainder of the people bear family names which might
be
either Ulster, Scot or English, with an admixture of German, such
as
Cagle (originally Kegill), ...'
Pg. 305 shows the First Census of Moore County in 1790...
Cagle Christian, David, George, George, Henry, Jacob, John,
Leonard,
Roger, and William.
Pg. 313..."Cagle, Kegill - John Kegill, from Pennsylvania and a
German,
settled in the forks of Bear and Cabin Creek, above Rovvins. The
Cagle
gold mine was on this tract, which is now the property of Standard
Mineral Company. The Cagle's were related to the Sides family, in
Pennsylvania."
Gotta go,
Lee Cagle
Okla City
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:05:43 +0000 <granny36(a)fuse.net> writes:
> Hi Lee,
>
> Re: Posting 3/06/2002-to you from-Tom Cagle..Individual#
> 100831.(2-Post-em Displays)
>
> Jacob Cagle(b 1755) re:A "Will"..proving he is the s/o John
Dutchman
> Cagle
> (b 1684) & Johanetta Hart.
>
> Do you have a copy of this will?
>
> Thanks.."Gran"
>
>
>
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