Lee,
Thank you for your replies concerning Leonard Cagle and John Cagle.
I was particularly interested in the following paragraph in the information
you sent about the John Cagle who was born between 1770 & 1779 and married a
Lucy:
"These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182:
6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of
Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches
Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the
Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and
Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This
Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George
Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler
(below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as
South Carolina and Georgia."
My interest in John Cagle and Leonard Cagle has been the fact that they
lived close to the Haglers in Lancaster Co., SC. I have the early Hagler
deeds (for Boston/Sebastian, Abraham, and Jacob) and that is where I got the
names of John and Lucy Cagle and of Leonard Cagle. I am wondering why you
believe the Jacob Hagler to whom John Cagle and wife Lucy sold 50 acres in
1796 is the same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle who was the
daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825 in what is now Stanly Co., NC but
earlier was Montgomery Co., NC.
The Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Hagler was the son of John Hagler;
this John Hagler lived on Dutch Buffalo Creek in the part of Mecklenburg
Co., NC that later became Cabarrus Co., NC. He was in the 1790 US Census
for Mecklenburg Co., NC. He is in the 1800 US Census for Montgomery Co.,
NC. I believe he is one of the J Haglers in the 1810 US Census for
Montgomery Co., NC. There is no 1820 US Census for Montgomery Co., NC.
However, I believe he is the Jacob Hagler in the 1820 US Census for Walton
Co., GA. He is the second person below David Cagles (sic) the son of George
Cagle of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825.
Here are two letters I found on the Cagle forum at
http://genforum.genealogy.com which indicate the relationship between
Rebecca Cagle (wife of George), Benjamin Cagle (son of George Cagle), David
Cagle (son of George Cagle), Elizabeth Hagler (daughter of George Cagle),
and Jacob Hagler.
"1826, Letter to David Cagle of Henry Co. GA; abt. fathers will
Posted by: Ami Wolf (ID *****7081) Date: April 17, 2006 at 22:48:11
of 2590
Hello Cagles, The following letter was written to David Cagle by his brother
Benjamin, the contents mostly concern their father's will. The letter was
found in "Cagle People", by Martin Luther Burchinal. Ami Wolf
Brothers and Sisters and Families:
I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all well at this
time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the family this fall
he was about two years old a black boy. The above is sufficient[this letter
was enclosed with a letter written by his mother]for you to read and now I
come to write to you how Father's concerns stands. He left one horse, two
cows, and all household furniture to[sic] Mother and all the rest to be
equally divided except twenty dollars over and above to Robert and I and
George. I expect to be ready by next October to make settlement with the
Legatees and I should be glad that you could come out then as the amount of
the sale was only one hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that
Jacob Hagler and Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them
to come next fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any
creter left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to mother.
So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until death.
Benjamin Cagle.
To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth Hagler."
"1826, Letter to David and Elizabeth(Hagler) Cagle of Henry Co., GA
Posted by: Ami Wolf (ID *****7081) Date: April 17, 2006 at 22:34:37
of 2590
Hello Fellow Cagles! The follow letter was found in a Cagle family biography
called "Cagle People", by Martin Luther Burchinal. Ami Wolf
State of North Carolina
Montgomery County
November 3, 1826
Dear Son and Daughter:
I gladly embrace this opportunity of writing to you that I am well at
present, thanks be to God for His mercies, hoping that this my letter may
find you and your families enjoying good health. I am living with my son
Benjamine, on Long Creek and I am very satisfied. You wrote to us to know
what sort of crops there were here. I answer bad enough: the spring and the
fore part of summer were remarkably dry. The crop of what[sic] (wheat) was
not very good and the oat crop was almost entirely lost. The prospect of
corn crop was so gloomy that it appeared that we must certainly suffer;
though about harvest it became more seasonable and I think there is plenty
of corn made thru this section of country.
We received your letter on the 30th day of October which gave me a great
satisfaction to hear that you were all well, altho it would be a good deal
more pleasure to me to see you all than to hear of you. You wrote to me to
know where Susanna livid. We received a letter from her the first of July
last that gave us great satisfaction to hear that they were all well at that
time and also well satisfied with their country. They live in Tennysee
state, Bledsoe county. They wrote to us if we wrote to them to direct our
letters to Pickinsville post office. They wrote to us that they had received
a letter from Cou. Robert, dated October 12th, 1825, which informed them
that they were all well at that time. He lives in Tennysee state, Perry
county. Also we received letters from Cous. Sampson and Leonard on the 1st
of July 1826, which gave us much satisfaction to hear that they were all
well at that time. They live in Kentucky, Warren county. Sampson lives in
about four miles of Martinsville post office.
There has been the sick times in this section that I ever saw and the slow
fever is in places yet and I will send the names of them of your
acquaintances that are dead: George Springer and Peter Tucker dies one in
the morning and the other in the evening and were both carried to the grave
in one wagon together; old Mrs. Betly Snow and Suzanna Cagle, Cou. George's
wife, who died in September last; and Andrew Watt, Isham Honeycutt, Nehemiah
Hearn and a number of others. I want to be remembered to relations and
inquiring friends, so no more at present, but remain your affectionate
mother until death.
Rebecca Cagle
To David Cagle and wife."
You may have noticed that the 1820 census to which I referred was for Walton
Co., GA and that the two letters were sent to Henry Co., GA in 1826. Henry
Co., GA was formed from Walton Co., GA and Indian lands in 1821.
There was a Jacob Hagler in the 1790 US Census for Camden District, South
Carolina (Lancaster County later came from Camden District.) There was also
a Jacob Hagler in the 1800 and 1810 US Census for Lancaster Co., SC. These
three Jacobs may not all be the same person. However, I do not understand
how one of them could have been the Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth
Cagle, because it seems to me that he is already accounted for in other
censuses in 1790, 1800, and 1810.
So my question is: How have you come to the conclusion that the Jacob Hagler
in the 6 September 1796 Deed: John and Lucy Cagle to Jacob Hagler is the
same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle the daughter of George Cagle
of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825?
I have an ancestor named Elizabeth Hagler (b. 1772/1773) who married George
Christman/Chrisman (b. 1765). George was born on Dutch Buffalo Creek in the
part of Mecklenburg Co., NC which became Cabarrus Co., NC. George's brother
Michael Christman/Chrisman, Jr. married Elizabeth Weidner the daughter of
Isaac Weidner who lived on Lynches Creek in South Carolina. The land was on
both sides of Lynches Creek. It was in Craven County then; now part of it
is in Chesterfield County and part of it is in Lancaster County, since
Lynches Creek is the dividing line between the two counties.
Boston/Sebastian Hagler bought land from Isaac Weidner in 1764 and in 1771.
However, Isaac remained in the area. Since Michael Jr. married Isaac
Weidner's daughter, I'm thinking it is possible George married one of
Boston/Sebastian's daughters.
I am trying to figure out who Boston/Sebastian's daughters married in hopes
I can trace some all-female lines to the present to be able to compare their
mitochondrial DNA with that of all-female lines I have traced to the present
from my Elizabeth Hagler Christman/Chrisman. I wondered if Leonard Cagle
and/or John Cagle could have married the one of the daughters of
Boston/Sebastian Hagler. I can see that Leonard did not.
I believe Boston/Sebastian Hagler of the Lynches Creek area in South
Carolina and John Hagler of Dutch Buffalo Creek in Mecklenburg Co., NC are
brothers. I have not proved it yet but do have some evidence to that
effect.
I will ask my question again: How have you come to the conclusion that the
Jacob Hagler in the 6 September 1796 Deed: John and Lucy Cagle to Jacob
Hagler is the same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle the daughter of
George Cagle of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825?
Carole
(Carole Irene Crismon Cook)
-----Original Message-----
From: cagle-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Lee Cagle
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:28 PM
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their
descend ants?
Carole,
Yes, I remember him now. He is one for whom I could not connect, and so
attached him to Karl Wilhelm Cagle since my software does not allow for
anything else without alot of trouble. So the easiest way to handle it is
to attach one to another, then afterwards "fix relationship" by detaching
which I did sometime after I posted on
Ancestry.com. I need to update or
delete the GEDCOM, because there have been many changes, additions, etc
since this was originally posted. I still am not sure of his parentage but,
will one day see if I can find anything else in John's writings..
These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182:
6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of
Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches
Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the
Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and
Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This
Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George
Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler
(below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as
South Carolina and Georgia.
Book F, p 211, Jan 9 1798: Jacob and Catharine Englet of Lancaster Co., to
Paul Hagler of same, for L32, 155 acres on branch of Tuckeyhoe, waters of
Linches Creek, granted Apr 3, 1786. Wits: Charles McManus and John Cagle.
Signed Jocob Englet and Catharine Englet. Proved by Charles McManus, Jul
30, 1803.
John and Lucy Cagle of the 1796 deed above, later migrated to Burke Co., NC
where they appeared in the census of 1810. John died there in 1815, and
Lucy after appearing in the 1820 census died c. 1823. Leonard Cagle appeared
with John Cagle in Burke Co., NC records in 1814-1815.
Regarding the ancestry of John Cagle 1770s-1815, the great grandfather of C
C Cagle, it would appear he was born in or slightly before the Revolutionary
War, and could well have been the son of a veteran of that War. (1) One
possibility is he was an orphan son of Capt John Cagle, the Tory who died in
1782 while in the service of the Cumberland Co Loyalist Militia. Since that
Capt John Cagle enlisted from Cumberland Co., this theory would presuppose
young John originated among the Cagles of Cumberland Co., and was orphaned
there in 1782, but later migrated by an unknown route to Lancaster Co., SC
where he first begins to appear in county records as an adult. This theory,
while remaining a possibility, has yet to be supported with any firm
evidence. (2) Another possibility regarding John's ancestry is he was not
a son of the Tory Capt John Cagle of Cumberland County, but the son of
another John Cagle, perhaps of the Cabarrus/Stanly Co area of NC who also
served in the Re!
volutionary War.
Young John, during his residence in Lancaster Co., SC and Burke Co., NC does
seem to have ties to the Cagles and other families of the Cabarrus and
Stanly Co area particularly Leonard Cagle, c 1770-1840s, a son of Charles
Cagle, d. 1801. Thus, the possibility might be raised that John 1770s-1815,
could have been a son of John Cagle, c1752-1826, a resident of the Cabarrus
Co. area, and son of David Cagle, 1728-1780s. This John, b. 1752, was of
military age during the Revolution, and could have served in the American
forces from Cabarrus, as did Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, whose records have been
discussed at great length in the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry. Thus
far, no military service record has been found for John, b. 1752, and it
remains unknown if he ever fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House, or
attained the rank of Captain. However, the possibility remains open for
research and discussion. Source: The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry
May 2001, pg 5.
I am sure more has been written and I will get to it as soon as I finish my
current project.
Let me know if I may be of further service. Another good source is Nancy
Balmer(a)aol.com.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
-- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching(a)mstarmetro.net> wrote:
Lee,
The following is what you give on John Cagle at Ancestry World Tree Project:
Cagle-Carter-Jackson-James-Jinks-Archer Genealogy Database on
Ancestry.com.
I am hoping you have more details and perhaps further details on John and
Lucy and their descendants:
Child of Karl Wilhelm CAGLE is:
+ 23 i. John CAGLE was born BET 1770 AND 1779 in Moore Co., NC, and died
1815 in Burke Co., NC.
Carole Cook
-----Original Message-----
From: cagle-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Lee Cagle
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 PM
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their
descend ants?
Carole,
Happy to help if you can give me some dates and places. I have over 400
John Cagles to go through to find Lucy and I am sure there are more than
a few. I now have over 67,000 Cagles which is probably about half of where
I have to go.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
-- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching(a)mstarmetro.net> wrote:
Lee,
Thanks for all of the information on Leonard Cagle.
Do you have similar detailed information on the John Cagle who married Lucy
and their descendants which you could email to me?
Carole Cook
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