Thanks, Tom. I think you articulated what I was trying to say in an earlier posting but
went around the mountain with it. I personally feel the early inhabitants had this
tool/club and as man developed and took up trades/activities that evolved into
occupations, possibly our ancestors, no telling how far back, specialized in this object.
From its' very shape suggest that a skill is required that in later years involved a
lathe and woodworkers know the early lathes were operated by a springy sapling and a roped
operated by a treadle. Can't you see the commercials back then, get your kegel turned
while you wait. Probably less strenuous than that Smith guy that shoed horese. Best
wishes, Earl Cagle
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tom & Debbie Cagle" <cagle(a)zoominternet.net>
While the discussion as to the origins of the Kegel name has been
interesting, I think we have to be careful in our assumptions as to the
meaning of the word. The modern definition of kegel is associated with
bowling, but words can change meanings over time.
I looked at the history of the game of bowling or skittles as it was known
in England. It seems German monks in the 3rd and 4th Centuries played a
game with a kegel, which was club used for self defense. The club in the
game represented sin and monks would throw stones at it until it was knocked
over thereby defeating sin. This changed the original meaning of the word
kegel. So the modern German name for skittles became kegeln.
My point is that while Leonhart may very well have kegeled, we cannot be
sure that is why the kegel name came about. It may very well have come from
an even earlier time when Leonhart's ancestors had something to do with
clubs of self defense.
Tom Cagle
---Original Message-----
From: cagle-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of DiAnne
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:18 AM
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] What about Johan Theobald Baptism records?
Importance: High
Well, Cagle cousins, if I may refer to you all as that. I too, have one
friend and one neighbor who moved here as adults, from Germany.
They, indeed, both verified to me that a "kegel" is a bowling pin, and/or
something round, rotund or barrel shaped.
Thank you all for the continued informative, entertaining conversations.
DiAnne Cagle Leitermann, Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Micah Allen" <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cagle(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] What about Johan Theobald Baptism records?
> Hi Cagle researchers,
>
> Well, it looks like we've ambled into a fascinating discussion of
> etymology concerning the Cagle name. Due to my hobby/career of performing
> solo vocal music in French, German, and Italian, I've been required to
> study all
> three languages and thus have at my disposal multiple dictionaries to
> translate
> these languages. I have found that all three of my German dictionaries
> lists the meaning of the word "kegel" as a bowling pin. Of course,
I've
> read somewhere that "kegel" also may mean other things depending on the
> region. As I understand it from my professor who spent years in Dusseldorf
> (the northern region of Germany), it is quite possible to have different
> meanings of the same word depending upon what region of the country you
> are in. Also, there is "old German" (like there is English and Old
> English) and so the word Kegel could have many meanings. I have never read
> or heard of the "maker of mantles with a cowl." Can anyone tell me where
> this comes from? I'm quite curious.
>
> When I first learned of the Rhenish Palatinate state link to our Cagle
> line, the first thing I tried to find out was the history of that area. As
> I understand it, the Rhenish Palatinate state was a hot area of religious
> control. Both sides, catholic and protestant, sought to control it. I read
> about the persecution of the protestants when the catholics gained control
> of the state and how many of them fled down the Rhine river to Rotterdam.
> Someone please inform me if I have the wrong information because I am
> still trying to sort all this out. In the mean time, I will be looking for
> my source where it talks about the different meanings of the german word
> "Kegel" - I seem to remember something about a possible meaning about
"an
> illegitimate or lower offspring", something like that - I'll go look for
> the source. Also, I read that many passengers on Dutch ships were often
> sold when they made landfall in the U.S. There usually had to be someone
> already in the "new world" who
> would pay their "ransom", so to speak so that they were not indentured. I
> know about this because an ancestor in another family line was a Dutch
> sailing captain who made his money by selling passengers. I thought that
> was interesting...we forget so often that history often tells the story of
> people enslaving their own people.This was so vividly etched in my mind
> when I visited the Anne Frank museum in Amsterdam a few years ago and
> though my knowledge of the dutch language is quite limited, I can easily
> tell the difference of spellings between German and Dutch. The
> concentration camp entrance records displayed behind glass on the top
> floor for both Anne and her sister were in Dutch, not German as I had
> expected. I realized then that either the Nazis were taught Dutch or the
> Nazis employed Dutch people to do the dirty work once they had invaded the
> Netherlands. Anyway, history is not always what we might think so if
> anyone has anything to add to the turmoil of the Rhenish
> Palatinate state during the time when Leonhart lived or fled from there, I
> would be interested in knowing more as well as learning a recommendation
> for a good source for this history.
>
> Thanks and Happy Hunting! --- Micah R. Allen---
>
> Sandra Stephens <sandrastephens28(a)msn.com> wrote:
> Nancy Jane,
>
> Thanks for bringing up the records that have been used by every Cagle
> researcher in the search for family. I personally think that some people
> concluded that since the ship Loyal Judith came from Holland, the people
> on it must also have been Dutch. The fact that the ship was of English
> origin kind of blows that out of the water (no pun intended) though. One
> of my first cousins last year informed me that she had studied the family
> and that they weren't German but were instead Black Dutch. After I
> finished laughing, I told her that she needed to go back and research that
> phrase. I have seen other ships' lists on line with Cagle passengers, and
> I'm sure that not every Cagle in the United States descends from Leonhart
> Kegel, but I think most of the people on this list can trace back to him.
> John G Cagle, Jimmy Cagle and other researchers did a great job putting
> that information out there for us. As for the definition of Cagle or
> Kegel, about two years ago I mentioned to a
> !
> friend who had spent several years in Germany that my Grandmother Cagle's
> family was from Germany - his reply was "you sure don't look like a
> bowling pin to me". For which I immediately thanked him
>
> Sandra> From: Njbalmer(a)aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:55:05 -0500> To:
> cagle(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: [CAGLE] What about Johan Theobald Baptism
> records?> > Hi > > What about the notes that all of us have on
Leonhart> >
> Leonard Kegel, Leonard Cagle:> > In German Leonhart, Leonhardt, Leinhart,
> means a shape of a bowling pin, a > shape of a cone, or a pin, also means
> Dweller by the stumps. The word > "Leonhart" also means "Lion
heart" or
> "Brave Heart".> > Leonhart was married two times.> > His first
wife was
> Maria Elisabeth (deceased) last name unknown. Maria was > born in 1687,
> and from Niedermehlingen, Germany. Together they had a > daughter named
> Maria Margareta, born in the year 1715. It has been said there was >
> another child born of this marriage, but there is nothing to prove or >
> disprove this information.> > Confirmation Register 1729> Maria Margareta,
> the daughter of Leonhart Kegel, Reformed and his deceased > wife Maria
> Elisabeth, Reformed of Niedermehlingen,
> Germa!
> ny. daughter 14 years > old.> > (Margareta Maria, Her real name was Maria
> Margarita, and her name was > changed because of her mothers death. )> >
> It is not known if Margareta Maria came to America with the family.> >
> Leonhart second marriage:> > Leonhart Kegel and his second wife was
> Susannah and her last name is > unknown. They were married in Germany.
> Leonhart was born 1684 and was from > Obermehlingen, Germany, and he was
> married in Germany to Susannah unknown. Susannah > was born in the year
> 1688 and from Obermehlingen, Germany.> > Baptism records where found in a
> small church in Sembach, (at the time of > the baptisms there was no
> church in Obermehlingen & Niedermehlingen, (in > english Ober and Nieder
> one means over and the other means under, now it is just > Mehlingen, near
> the Black Forest. and not far from Kaiserslautern)> > 1728 Baptism >
> Childs name Johan Theoblad, born the 29 of April and Baptised 1st of May.
> > Sponcers names, Theobald Fuchs, The sponser from
> A!
> lsenbon, and his wife > Christina. Andreas Busch from Trippstadt, Refo
> rmed. > Parnents names Leonhart Kegel and his wife Susanna Kegel, Reformed
> from > Obermehlingen, Germany.> > 1728 Baptism > > Baptismal register
> 1728, Trippstadt, the 14th of March Johann Andreas > Buschung, and his
> wife Maria Elisabetha, a daughter baptised and named Maria > Elisabetha.
> God parents Leonhart Kegel of Mehlingen, Germany, and Maria Magdalena, >
> Johann Henrich Schmalenberger's Young wife Veronica Phillipp .> >
Leonhart
> Kegell , (Leonard Cagle), his wife Susanna and their family, and > other
> members of the Reformed Lutherans. They left Mehlingen, Germany to bring >
> their familys to America (Mehlingen is 8m- N.E. of Kaiserslautern, on B40)
> > they went down the Rhine River to Rotterdam, Holland, they then took
the
> > ship called the Loyal Judith Via Cowes England, then from there to the
> Port of > Philadelphia PA. and landed September 25, 1732. According to
> English > speaking Captians and Port officials and others and by the
> German Immigrants > themselves. There
> wer!
> e 119 Palentine men and their families and they were > accompanied by a
> Lutheran Minister named was Johannes Christian Schultz. When the >
> immigrants landed in the Port of Philadelphia each of the head of
> household on > board and any on the age of 16 and older were taken to that
> the Oath of > Allegiance to the provice and State of Pennsylvania.
> (Leonharts children would > not have been old enough to be on the list. I
> think William would have been the > oldest son, and he would have only
> been around ten or so and the daughter > would not have been on the list
> if she came to America because she was a > female.) (The information will
> be in the Colonial records Vol III, on page 457, ) > They did have a
> language problem and thats was why there was a problem with > the spelling
> of there names, and there was more than one person putting their > names
> on different lists. Who ever was putting there names down spelled them >
> the way they thought it should be, thats why names are
> spel!
> led in different > ways on these lists. Leonhart's name was spelled tw
> o different ways on the > passenger list, > The German Settlers were all
> industrious, econmical, and thrifty famers, > they were not afraid nor
> ashamed of hard work. When Leonhart Kegel arrived in > Philadephia County,
> they settled and bought land in Berks County, PA. The first > settlement
> by Germans was about 1734, and organized in 1752, this became the > the
> Capital of Reading. The name Berks County was derived form Berks County, >
> England. There was a man named Henrich Krehenhull, who changed his name to
> > Henry Graybill Jr. who also lived in Mehlingen, Germany the same time
as
> did > Leonhart and his family. Henry Graybill Jr lived in Lancaster
> County, PA and > later moved to Hancock County, GA. (not sure if he came
> over on the same > ship, as did Leonhart ?) It is not known if Leonhart
> and Susanna died in PA. , > or moved with sons to North Carolina ?.> >
> Leonhart Kegel had a large black hat he wore most of the time. He handed
> the > hat down to his son John "Dutchman"
> K!
> egel who died 1799 in North Carolina. > John "Dutchman" handed the hat
> down to his youngest son William who was born > 1788-1860. William passed
> the hat down to his son Isaac who was born > 1790-1860. Isaac gave the hat
> to his oldest son John Westley who in turn handed it > down to his brother
> Spinks. Spinks then gave the hat to his sister who sold > the hat to Neil
> Isaac Andrew Cagle he in turn gave the the hat to Bob Baker > who donated
> the Hat to the Rocky Mt. Museum. (I have seen a photo of the hat, > it
> looks like a big top hat.) and is still in the museum. not in the museum >
> any more, Museum was flooded and one of the Cagle family member's wrote to
> > them and they sent her the hat. she took picture's and sent them to me.
> > > There was also a chair that Leonhart would stand on while waiting for
> his > father to come home from work. This chair was also donated to a
> Museum (Not > the same Museum) and this Museum later burned down. This
> museum was in PA, so > there must
> h!
> ave been some of his children and or grandchildren who stayed in > PA.
> > > Leonhart Kegel was the ancestor of Americans numbering some 17,000, >
> > > individuals, plus. Thousands of other desendents who bear other
> > > surnames. > > It was not uncommon for German people to be known by
> > > more than one name, > since they used there middle names. > > It
has
> > > been said that the Kegel's changed the spelling of their names when
>
> > > they moved to North Carolina> > Leonhart owned 200 acre tact of land
> > > on 11 October 1737 in Alsace Township, > Berks County, PA. In the year
> > > 1748 Leonhart vacated his homestead in Alsace > and moved a few miles
> > > distant ot Brecknock Township, Berks County, PA. > Leonhart is said to
> > > have died about 1754 in Brecknock Township, Berks County, PA. > (Oley
> > > was next to Alsace)> > > > > > > **************Start
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