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<<In November 2002, I talked to John G. Cagle on the telephone and inquired
about the cost of a copy of The Cagle Family in the South to 1850. >>
I have a copy of Jimmy B. Cagle's _Cagle Families in the Southern States_.
Is this a different book?
<<I don't believe John G Cagle is going to be to thrilled about someone
coping his works for mass distribution. His work is copy righted.>>
I didn't intend to do this without his permission and as I said, I could
find no copyright on any of the materials that I have.
<<I know he has some copies of his works still available, and when he runs
out he reorders when he has the minimum orders required by his publisher for
press run..>>
As several people have stated, they would love to purchase these books but
when payment is sent and cashed but no book delivered - several times -
people tend to be a little wary of trying again.
<<There is a number of members of the list who have the complete works of
John. Most are willing to help you or have the information you need.
Just ask.>>
I don't have specific questions. I just wanted to have a complete set for
future reference. Sorry to have caused a stir. I'll go back to lurking now.
Donna
Life gets complicated sometimes for all of us, doesn't it? I admire the
dedication he has shown & shared w/family, what a gift!
Do you know if his books are still available & the cost?
Thanks,
Margaret in NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <BGKBVK(a)aol.com>
To: <cagle(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
> Mr Cagle that published the Cagle Journals and 4 or 5 books had a full
> time
> job at a Post Office. He then had a late baby and had to help with that
> and I think changed jobs and got behind with the publications. I guess
> he
> was so busy raising a second family or a later one that he was
> overwhelmed. I
> did not receive my issues either. I really hope thing are better for him.
> He has contributed so much to the Cagle Genealogy. I do not see how he
> could have done all the research it took to compile his publications. So
> I say
> Thanks and Peace.
> Bettye V Knight
>
>
> In a message dated 8/13/2009 4:52:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> carrshep(a)charter.net writes:
>
> Several years ago I subscribed for the journals, paid the requested amt.
> &
>
> actually only ever rec'd one issue. Even tho I tried to find out why, I
> was
> not given reasons, nor more issues. I would happily pay(again)for them &
> back issues.
> Margaret in NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BGKBVK(a)aol.com>
> To: <cagle(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>
>
>>I believe they are copyrighted. BVK
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:54:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> grommacathy(a)yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> sounds good to me! I would love to have all that info!
>>
>>
>> Cathy Stump
>> "Good friends are like stars,
>> you can't always see them,
>> but you know they are there."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Donna Cagle Heck <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
>> To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>>
>>
>> I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the
> issues
>> of
>> the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to
> compile
>> a
>> complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
>> because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD
> would
>> be
>> great!
>>
>> Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly
> pay
>> if
>> I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with
>> John
>> and
>> sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we
>> could
>> work out paying him a royalty or something?
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>
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Much of the Newsletters were repeated in the Books he published. I have 4
of those. He had hundreds of newsletters several pages each. I have most of
those. BVK
In a message dated 8/14/2009 5:07:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Cagle2002(a)webtv.net writes:
Do you think John might still be on the mailing list? Or read the
archives? I wish he would compile all the copies he once wrote, and let
us pay him for the overall copy. That should help out on a college
tuition! I sure would gladly pay. Stella
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Do you think John might still be on the mailing list? Or read the
archives? I wish he would compile all the copies he once wrote, and let
us pay him for the overall copy. That should help out on a college
tuition! I sure would gladly pay. Stella
Mr Cagle that published the Cagle Journals and 4 or 5 books had a full time
job at a Post Office. He then had a late baby and had to help with that
and I think changed jobs and got behind with the publications. I guess he
was so busy raising a second family or a later one that he was overwhelmed. I
did not receive my issues either. I really hope thing are better for him.
He has contributed so much to the Cagle Genealogy. I do not see how he
could have done all the research it took to compile his publications. So I say
Thanks and Peace.
Bettye V Knight
In a message dated 8/13/2009 4:52:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
carrshep(a)charter.net writes:
Several years ago I subscribed for the journals, paid the requested amt. &
actually only ever rec'd one issue. Even tho I tried to find out why, I
was
not given reasons, nor more issues. I would happily pay(again)for them &
back issues.
Margaret in NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <BGKBVK(a)aol.com>
To: <cagle(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>I believe they are copyrighted. BVK
>
>
> In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:54:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> grommacathy(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
> sounds good to me! I would love to have all that info!
>
>
> Cathy Stump
> "Good friends are like stars,
> you can't always see them,
> but you know they are there."
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Donna Cagle Heck <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>
>
> I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the
issues
> of
> the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to
compile
> a
> complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
> because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD
would
> be
> great!
>
> Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly
pay
> if
> I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with John
> and
> sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we could
> work out paying him a royalty or something?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Donna
>
>
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I keep wondering if Sebastian/Boston Hagler of Lancaster Co., SC married a
Cagle or if one of his daughters married a Cagle, since John and Lucy Cagle
and Leonard Cagle lived near Sebastian/Boston and also because Cagles signed
Hagler deeds and Haglers signed Cagle deeds.
What is the documentation that Leonard Cagle married one of the daughters of
George Tucker?
What was the maiden name of Lucy who married John Cagle? They lived in
Lancaster Co., SC for a time.
What was the name of Sebastian/Boston Hagler's (of Lancaster Co., SC) wife?
Carole
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Cagle [mailto:caglel1@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:40 AM
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Haigler or Haiglers in The Cagle Journal: of
HistoricalIn quiry
What information are you looking for specifically? Checking each years
indexes from 1985 through 1999 and then rujnning down each reference for
those 14 years is too monumental a task.
The first Haigler in my index is a Millie Haigler 1895-1873 who married
Deberry Austin 1895-1872. Among their children was Josiah M Austin
1818-1901 who married Lydia A Holly 1809-1900 who among their children had
Laura Jane Austin 1830-1900 who married James R Cagle 1829-1900.
Emma Laphelia Cagle 1888-1983 married Melvin F Hinson 1886-1957. Among
their children was Elias Melvin Hinson 1914-1999 who married Anne Burle
Smith 1919-1999 and had Gabriella Flemming Hinson 1949-living. She had a
daughter by Unknown Haigler. Among their offspring were a daughter, Angela
Gabriella Haigler and Michael Haigler. Angerla Gabriella Haigler married
Donald Lynn Dunlop. Michael Haigler married Angie Darlene Eford producing a
son Dylan Michael Haigler1999-Living.
None of these Haiglers are in a direct line with my own, thus I have had no
reason to research them further other than their allied relationship with
CAGLES.
Other Haiglers may have been mentioned as neighbors, friends, jury members,
etcetra,
Lee Cagle, 405-843-8812
Lee Cagle, ph. A/C 405-843-8812
3227 Wilshire Terrace, Okla City, OK 73116-3023
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching(a)broadweave.net>
To: "CAGLE@rootsweb. com" <CAGLE(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: [CAGLE] Haigler or Haiglers in The Cagle Journal: of Historical
Inquiry
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:35:47 -0600
I am looking for a Cagle/Hagler connection.
The Family History Library Catalogue (Salt Lake City, Utah) shows that The
Cagle Journal: of Historical Inquiry is indexed and contains the surname
H-a-i-g-l-e-r. It looks like there was an issue each month with an index at
the end of each year, but I am not sure I am interpreting the information
correctly.
I would appreciate it if someone with these journals could locate the
H-a-i-g-l-e-r or H-a-i-g-l-e-r-s in The Cagle Journal.
Carole
(Carole Irene Crismon Cook)
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I sure would like that idea, also. Willing to send whatever amount was
decided for the purchase and sending it on to him for all this work on the
Journals.
Diane
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I have a new email address please update your address books please:
diane(a)brantleys.net
or
ariram(a)brantleys.net
Whichever is easier for you to remember :-)
Several years ago I subscribed for the journals, paid the requested amt. &
actually only ever rec'd one issue. Even tho I tried to find out why, I was
not given reasons, nor more issues. I would happily pay(again)for them &
back issues.
Margaret in NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <BGKBVK(a)aol.com>
To: <cagle(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>I believe they are copyrighted. BVK
>
>
> In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:54:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> grommacathy(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
> sounds good to me! I would love to have all that info!
>
>
> Cathy Stump
> "Good friends are like stars,
> you can't always see them,
> but you know they are there."
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Donna Cagle Heck <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
>
>
> I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the issues
> of
> the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to compile
> a
> complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
> because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD would
> be
> great!
>
> Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly pay
> if
> I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with John
> and
> sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we could
> work out paying him a royalty or something?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Donna
>
>
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First, I can't tell if my message duplicated or if it was just from
everyone's replies. If I duplicated it I apologize. I've been having issues
with my connection all day!
<<I believe they are copyrighted. BVK>>
I looked on all the copies that I have and I see no indication that they are
copyright protected. However, even if that is the case I think we should
still try to get John's permission on the project and figure some
remuneration. What do you all think?
Donna
I believe they are copyrighted. BVK
In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:54:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
grommacathy(a)yahoo.com writes:
sounds good to me! I would love to have all that info!
Cathy Stump
"Good friends are like stars,
you can't always see them,
but you know they are there."
________________________________
From: Donna Cagle Heck <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the issues
of
the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to compile a
complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD would
be
great!
Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly pay
if
I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with John
and
sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we could
work out paying him a royalty or something?
Just a thought.
Donna
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sounds good to me! I would love to have all that info!
Cathy Stump
"Good friends are like stars,
you can't always see them,
but you know they are there."
________________________________
From: Donna Cagle Heck <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] CAGLE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79
I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the issues of
the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to compile a
complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD would be
great!
Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly pay if
I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with John and
sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we could
work out paying him a royalty or something?
Just a thought.
Donna
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I wonder if another project for us might be to see how many of the issues of
the Cagle Journal that our members have and can scan in order to compile a
complete set? I'd hate to see all of John's work and effort go to waste
because it is such a huge resource. Having them all available on CD would be
great!
Not trying to circumvent paying John for copies - in fact, I'd gladly pay if
I knew I would ever get them. Over the years I've corresponded with John and
sometimes he responds but more often than not he doesn't. Maybe we could
work out paying him a royalty or something?
Just a thought.
Donna
Is it known for sure that Karl Wilhelm Cagle and Charles Cagle were two
individuals or the same individual? If it is, which is the case? What is
the documentation?
Carole
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Spangrude [mailto:kimspangrude@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:38 PM
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Sons of Leonhart - Karl Wilhelm and John Dutchman
Hi, all. I usually do not post, but saw an opportunity to jump in.
Karl Wilhelm Cagle is my ancestor, through his son John and John's
wife Lucy; then Henry (Catherine Holder), , Joseph C. (Emma Dotson),
and finally Joseph's daughter, Ida Nettie Cagle who married James
Monroe Cox. Ida Nettie Cagle Cox's son was William McKinley Cox, my
grandfather. Several ancestors lived in Jonathan Creek, Haywood,
North Carolina; I visited there about 2 years ago, didn't find any info.
Kim
s's
On Aug 12, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Micah Allen wrote:
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Micah Allen <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Micah Allen <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject:
> To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello friends!
>
> Forgive me for the first post, I forgot to include a subject in the
> subject line before I sent it. Wow! It was such a joy to read all
> the posts on Leonhart Kegel. There are definitely posts on Leonhart
> that I will be keeping in my file cabinet for a long time!
>
> So, moving on, which son of Leonhart should we tackle next?
>
> Let's go with the firstborn son and the second born son since I
> think there is very little to find on Karl Wilhelm Cagle (the
> firstborn).
>
> The second born son was John Dutchman Cagle. I would love to know
> how we found out his middle name! In German, Deutschmann sounds a
> lot like Dutchman except the Deutsch is the German word for
> "german." Curiosity kills the cat but I am curious if any one has
> any info on this.
>
> Anyway, hope you are all doing wonderfully and are healthy, wealthy
> and wise!!
>
> Happy Hunting!
> --Micah R. Allen--
>
>
>
>
>
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TheThe earliest Cagle reference in the records of old Cumberland Co., NC, dates from February 3, 1764, when John Kegill (John "Dutchman" Cagle) bought 120 Acres in the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks from James Chiney (James Cheney), as recorded in Deed Book 2, pages 326-7. A transcript of this deed and a photo copy of the original document is published in the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry, Jan 1999, pg 2 authored by John G Cagle of Little Rock, AR.
Richard Caswell had originally received this tract of land by a grant from the Colony of NC on May 10, 1760, then sold it to James Cheney on May 28, 1760, who in turn sold it to John Kegill. John Cheney made a handsome profit on his sale to John, having paid only twenty pounds Proclamation money, a currency issued by the Colony of North Carolina as a supplement to the British pound sterling, which was continually in short supply during the colonial period. John paid seventy-five pounds proclamation money for the same parcel.
On May 15th, 1764, Mary Cheney, wife of James Cheney, executed her release of dower on the tract of 120 acres which her husband had conveyed to John on Feb 3, 1764. This document, was recorded in Cumberland Co. Deed Book 2, pp 360-61, and transcribed with a photo copy of the original provided in the Jan 1999 issue of the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry.
As a matter of interest, Richard Caswell, the original owner of John's land, went on to become Governor of North Carolina and the original tract was for 170 acres, but by the time the tract was sold by James Cheney to John in 1764, the deed lists the tract as only 120 acres. The reason for this discrepancy is unclear, but in 1811 it was corrected by William Cagle, 1788-1860, John's youngest son, who inherited the tract of 120 acres at John's death in 1799.
There were two more entries in the minutes of the Cumberland County Court of Pleas & Quarter Session for Nov 1764, that being John Kegell as a Road Jury Member to lay off a road from Sandhill Smiths and
the other from Bear Creek, at Shuffills path to join Spinx's Road.
Received a land grant for improvements to property in Moore County, North Carolina in 1796-64A on S side of Cabin Creek adjoining property of George Cagle. Bought 100 acres in Feb 1764 at Bear Creek where gold was later discovered by Conrad Reed, minor son of John Reed, a German immigrant, that being a 17 lb gold nugget. John Dutchman and his brother David, 1728-1780, had settled homesteads at this location in 1764. John Dutchman's son John, inherited 150 acres, then moved to Mississippi in the early 1810s leaving the land to his brother, George 1760-1830. George gave the land to his son, John
M. Cagle, 1793-1860. He stayed on the place and worked the mine, becoming the wealthiest Cagle in America. Tax list of 1767 Cumberland Co., NC shows John Dutchman with 310 Acres.
Will Book A, page 49
JOHN CAGLE'S WILL
In the name of God Amen. I, John Cagle of Moore County being sound and perfect mind and memory blessed by god do this Eighteenth day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety Eight make and publish this my last will and testament in manner following that is to say -
First I give and bequeath to Cathrine Cagle, My beloved wife, My Land and plantation my stock of Horses Cattle & Hogs all the Household furniture, By her freely & quickly and peaceably to be possessed till my sons come of age, John Cagle and William Cagle.
John, my son John Cagle shall have one hundred and fifty acres of Land lying on the south side of Cabin Creek and my son William Cagle shall have one hundred and twelve acres in the fork of Cabin Creek and Bear Creek the plantation I am now living on. After his Coming of age my wife Cathrine Cagle shall have ten acres in what part she pleases of the said old plantation as long as she lives or remains my Widow and after wards it shall belong to my son William Cagle and he also shall have thirty Eight Acres of Land lying by the meeting House by him freely to be possessed and enjoyed.
Also my daughters Susanna Cagle, Dorety Cagle, and Margaret Cagle shall have the Horses Cattle Hogs and all the household furniture shall be divided among them three Equally after my wife Cathrine Cagle's deceased By them freely possessed and enjoyed.
I also give to my beloved Children Jacob Cagle & Elizabeth Gilmore & George Cagle & Mary Melton and Henry Cagle Everyone of them to have the sum of twenty shillings to be paid out of my Estate & I do hereby utterly Disallow Revoke & dis-annul all and every other former testaments Wills & Legacies Bequeathed and executors by me in any wise before this time named Will and bequeathed ratifying &
confirmed this and no other to be my last Will and testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year first above written.
I do hereby appoint Bartholomew Dunn and George Cagle as executors.
His Mark John X Cagle
>From the 1799 Will of John, filed in Moore Co., NC., we learn his wife's name and the names of his ten children: Jacob, b. 1760s; Elizabeth, b. 1750s; George, b. 1750s; and Mary b. 1760s, m: James Melton; these four children are thought to be from his first marriage. The next six are thought to be from his second marriage to Catarina "Caty" Seitz/Sides: Henry, b. 1770s; Susanna, b. 1770s; John,b. 1780s-1830s; William, b. 1788; Dorety, b. 1789, m: David Jones; Margaret, b. 1790s. It might be speculated that two of these children -- Henry and Dorety (Dorothy) were named after John Henry
Seitz/Sides and Dorotha Elisabeth Felsinger Seitz/sides, who are the parents of Catarina "Caty".
John Dutchman is buried in the Cagle Family Cemetery on John's old homestead. You go northeast from junction #1001 and #1434 about 200 yards to an open field on the north side of the road. Then go west across the center of the open field (Old Cagle house stood in the center of this field) for 100 yards to a twin poplar near the edge of the field; continue west for 25 yards to an old road bed leading towards Cabin Creek and to the paddy spring. The cemetery is marked by a tripple red oak. John and his wife are thought to be buried here, along with his son, George and his wife, George's son, John and his wife Martha's tombstones, together with their daughter's tombstone, Lou Cagle Goldston. There are other marked and unmarked graves.
In, "Miscellaneous Ancient Records of Moore County, N.C." by Rassie E. Wicker...it states on Pg. 117 ..The Seventh or 1850 Census of Moore County...'The remainder of the people bear family names which might be either Ulster, Scot or English, with an admixture of German, such as Cagle (originally Kegill), ...'
Pg. 305 shows the First Census of Moore County in 1790...
Cagle Christian, David, George, George, Henry, Jacob, John, Leonard, Roger, and William.
Pg. 313..."Cagle, Kegill - John Kegill, from Pennsylvania and a German, settled in the forks of Bear and Cabin Creek, above Robbin's. The Cagle gold mine was on this tract, which is now the property of Standard Mineral Company. The Cagle's were related to the Sides family, in Pennsylvania."se are my notes on John "Dutchman" Cagle:
Lee Cagle, ph. A/C 405-843-8812
2455 Manchester Drve, Unit 71, The Village, OK 73120
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From: Micah Allen <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com>
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CAGLE] (no subject)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
Hello friends!
Wow! It was such a joy to read all the posts on Leonhart Kegel. There are definitely posts on Leonhart that I will be keeping in my file cabinet for a long time!
So, moving on, which son of Leonhart should we tackle next?
Let's go with the firstborn son and the second born son since I think there is very little to find on Karl Wilhelm Cagle (the firstborn).
The second born son was John Dutchman Cagle. I would love to know how we found out his middle name! In German, Deutschmann sounds a lot like Dutchman except the Deutsch is the German word for "german." Curiosity kills the cat but I am curious if any one has any info on this.
Anyway, hope you are all doing wonderfully and are healthy, wealthy and wise!!
Happy Hunting!
--Micah R. Allen--
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--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Micah Allen <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Micah Allen <silvertrill(a)yahoo.com>
Subject:
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:08 PM
Hello friends!
Forgive me for the first post, I forgot to include a subject in the subject line before I sent it. Wow! It was such a joy to read all the posts on Leonhart Kegel. There are definitely posts on Leonhart that I will be keeping in my file cabinet for a long time!
So, moving on, which son of Leonhart should we tackle next?
Let's go with the firstborn son and the second born son since I think there is very little to find on Karl Wilhelm Cagle (the firstborn).
The second born son was John Dutchman Cagle. I would love to know how we found out his middle name! In German, Deutschmann sounds a lot like Dutchman except the Deutsch is the German word for "german." Curiosity kills the cat but I am curious if any one has any info on this.
Anyway, hope you are all doing wonderfully and are healthy, wealthy and wise!!
Happy Hunting!
--Micah R. Allen--
Hello friends!
Wow! It was such a joy to read all the posts on Leonhart Kegel. There are definitely posts on Leonhart that I will be keeping in my file cabinet for a long time!
So, moving on, which son of Leonhart should we tackle next?
Let's go with the firstborn son and the second born son since I think there is very little to find on Karl Wilhelm Cagle (the firstborn).
The second born son was John Dutchman Cagle. I would love to know how we found out his middle name! In German, Deutschmann sounds a lot like Dutchman except the Deutsch is the German word for "german." Curiosity kills the cat but I am curious if any one has any info on this.
Anyway, hope you are all doing wonderfully and are healthy, wealthy and wise!!
Happy Hunting!
--Micah R. Allen--
What information are you looking for specifically? Checking each years indexes from 1985 through 1999 and then rujnning down each reference for those 14 years is too monumental a task.
The first Haigler in my index is a Millie Haigler 1895-1873 who married Deberry Austin 1895-1872. Among their children was Josiah M Austin 1818-1901 who married Lydia A Holly 1809-1900 who among their children had Laura Jane Austin 1830-1900 who married James R Cagle 1829-1900.
Emma Laphelia Cagle 1888-1983 married Melvin F Hinson 1886-1957. Among their children was Elias Melvin Hinson 1914-1999 who married Anne Burle Smith 1919-1999 and had Gabriella Flemming Hinson 1949-living. She had a daughter by Unknown Haigler. Among their offspring were a daughter, Angela Gabriella Haigler and Michael Haigler. Angerla Gabriella Haigler married Donald Lynn Dunlop. Michael Haigler married Angie Darlene Eford producing a son Dylan Michael Haigler1999-Living.
None of these Haiglers are in a direct line with my own, thus I have had no reason to research them further other than their allied relationship with CAGLES.
Other Haiglers may have been mentioned as neighbors, friends, jury members, etcetra,
Lee Cagle, 405-843-8812
Lee Cagle, ph. A/C 405-843-8812
3227 Wilshire Terrace, Okla City, OK 73116-3023
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From: "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching(a)broadweave.net>
To: "CAGLE@rootsweb. com" <CAGLE(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: [CAGLE] Haigler or Haiglers in The Cagle Journal: of Historical Inquiry
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:35:47 -0600
I am looking for a Cagle/Hagler connection.
The Family History Library Catalogue (Salt Lake City, Utah) shows that The
Cagle Journal: of Historical Inquiry is indexed and contains the surname
H-a-i-g-l-e-r. It looks like there was an issue each month with an index at
the end of each year, but I am not sure I am interpreting the information
correctly.
I would appreciate it if someone with these journals could locate the
H-a-i-g-l-e-r or H-a-i-g-l-e-r-s in The Cagle Journal.
Carole
(Carole Irene Crismon Cook)
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I am looking for a Cagle/Hagler connection.
The Family History Library Catalogue (Salt Lake City, Utah) shows that The
Cagle Journal: of Historical Inquiry is indexed and contains the surname
H-a-i-g-l-e-r. It looks like there was an issue each month with an index at
the end of each year, but I am not sure I am interpreting the information
correctly.
I would appreciate it if someone with these journals could locate the
H-a-i-g-l-e-r or H-a-i-g-l-e-r-s in The Cagle Journal.
Carole
(Carole Irene Crismon Cook)
Nancy,
I researched this last week and finally found all of the Census records. It was difficult because William Andrew Hendrix was listed as Willie, W A, and William, while his wife was listed as Carrie and Rose C, but I finally got all of them.
Lee Cagle, ph. A/C 405-843-8812
3227 Wilshire Terrace, Okla City, OK 73116-3023
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From: Njbalmer(a)aol.com
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Husbands of Daughters of Tabitha Ann Nancy Cagle and Ruebe n Tuck...
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:06:36 EDT
Hi Lee
I have Rozella husband
2 Rozella Caroline "Carrie" Hill 1866 - 1936
married to William Andrew Hendrix he died 06 January 1944 , Jefferson,
Alabama
(Death Date 06 Jan 1944, Death County Jefferson, Volume 2, Certificate 843,
Roll 4)
NancyJane
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Descendants of Tabitha Ann Nancy Cagle
1 Tabitha Ann Nancy Cagle 1822 - 1885 aka: Ann & Nancy
.. +Rueben Tucker Hill 1818 - 1890 m: Abt. 1839 in Cobb Co., GA
........ 2 Sarah A Hill 1840 - 1913
............ +James P Echols 1847 - m: 02 Dec 1869 in Cobb Co., GA
........ 2 Lucinda Hill 1842 -
............ +John Brown
........ 2 Eliza Ellender Hill 1845 - 1923
............ +Thomas Franklin Green 1848 - 1923 m: 21 Jan 1869 in Village Falls Meth Ch, Jefferson Co., AL
........ 2 William A Hill 1847 -
............ +N P Unknown m: Abt. 1868 in Jefferson Co., AL
........ *2nd Wife of William A Hill:
............ +Adeline Johnson 1852 - 1940 m: 10 Dec 1878 in Jefferson Co., AL
........ 2 Rueben Russell Hill 1853 - 1934
............ +Harriet L Blevins 1860 - 1925
........ 2 Emaline Hill 1854 -
........ 2 Nancy E Hill 1855 - 1930
............ +Wilburn G Powell 1855 - 1922 m: 17 Jan 1878 in Jefferson Co., AL
........ 2 Mary C Hill 1858 - 1928
............ +James W Wheeler m: 18 May 1878 in Birmingham, Jefferson, AL
........ *2nd Husband of Mary C Hill:
............ +Robert J Powell m: Aft. 1879
........ 2 John Milton Hill 1861 - 1936
............ +Nancy Hill m: in Birmingham, Jefferson Co., AL
........ 2 Rozella Caroline Hill 1866 - 1936 aka: Carrie
............ +William Andrew Hendrix 1845 - 1944
Lee Cagle, ph. A/C 405-843-8812
3227 Wilshire Terrace, Okla City, OK 73116-3023
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Njbalmer(a)aol.com
To: cagle(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Husbands of Daughters of Tabitha Ann Nancy Cagle and Rueben Tucke...
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:22:54 EDT
Hi Lee and group
Lee probably has all the husband's name's for Tabitha Ann Nancy Cagle Hill
Sarah A Hill married James F Echols (02 December 1869)
Lucinda Hill married John Brown
Eliza Ellender Hill married Thomas Franklin Green 21 January 1869 (Village
Falls Meth Church, Jefferson, Alabama)
Emeline Hill ???
Nancy E. Hill married William G Powell
Mary C. Hill married James W. Wheeler 18 May 1878 Jefferson, Alabama
Rozzella Caroline "Carrie" Hill married William Andrew Hendrix
Son's
William Arthur Hill married Adeline Johnson December 1878
Ruben Russell "Russell" Hill married Harriet L Blevins
John Milton "Johnnie" Hill married Nancy Hill
Lee may have more info on these.
NancyJane
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