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After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's sons,
I started searching to see if I could come up with something that might help
us. I found the following site that explains the naming of the German and
PA German children. The address is www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After
looking at the Americanized versions of some of the names, go to the very
bottom of the page and click on German Naming Customs. I think that will
explain why we might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family.
Hope it helps someone.
Sandra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947a(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,
Montgomery Co??
> To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed
> many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed
> over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with
> many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname.
> If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different
> way, you were none the wiser.
> First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to
> Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't
> remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was
> started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the
Internet
> as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can
> determine what some German first names became in America.
> There are still people living today in America and Germany with the
surname
> Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these
> surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar
surnames.
> It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel,
> our immigrant ancestor.
> Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started
fathering
> children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have
children
> into his late 60's or early 70's.
> Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many
> early records are very sparse.
> Earl
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David Cagle <dcagle(a)centurytel.net>
> > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> Rowan, Montgomery Co??
> >
> > John,
> > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel.
> > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Speight <jfspeight(a)mindspring.com>
> > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
Rowan,
> > Montgomery Co??
> >
> >
> > > David -
> > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping.
> > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)?
> > > John
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Cagle [mailto:dcagle@centurytel.net]
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM
> > > To: John Speight; CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> > > Rowan, Montgomery Co??
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > > I missed the question---I think?
> > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728
Germany.
> > > David
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Speight <jfspeight(a)mindspring.com>
> > > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> > > Rowan, Montgomery Co??
> > >
> > >
> > > > Donna -
> > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query
about
> > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid
> > > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh.
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: donnaheck1(a)comcast.net [mailto:donnaheck1@comcast.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM
> > > > To: CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
Rowan,
> > > > Montgomery Co??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out
> > > > there? Or,
> > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been
> > > looking
> > > > at
> > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused
> > > > records. Anyone?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> > > > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate
> > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this
> > > > > line clear this up
> > > > for
> > > > > me?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the
> > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt
1750
> > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Donna
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ==============================
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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Cagle, Carter, Jackson, James, Hart, Archer
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/78.190.403.2.1
Message Board Post:
Emmett and wife, Sarah Hitchcock Cagle had at least 11
children, some with names who match those of your inquiry.
You mentioned a "Fannie". This could be a nickname for his
sister, Francis Ann Cagle, who went by Fannie.
Hi,
I have put many messages on many forums for help and someone told me to put a message here. I know I am a Cagle but I seem to be a lost one.I am Robin Michelle Cagle born August 1, 1961 in Laurens SC. My father was Douglas Roy Cagle born Mar 25 1942 in Clinton SC- died in Feb 1968. His father was Roy Cagle born Oct7, 1907 in Tenn.died in July1963. His father was David Cagle mother was Sally Grasty in 1800s.They moved to NC.Then my grandfather moved to SC and married a Cassie Geddings(2nd marraige). His first marraige was to an unknown but with 3 kids Jack, John , and Mary.If anyone could help me with this I would be so very happy.
Thank you,
To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed
many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed
over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with
many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname.
If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different
way, you were none the wiser.
First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to
Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't
remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was
started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the Internet
as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can
determine what some German first names became in America.
There are still people living today in America and Germany with the surname
Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these
surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar surnames.
It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel,
our immigrant ancestor.
Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started fathering
children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have children
into his late 60's or early 70's.
Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many
early records are very sparse.
Earl
> [Original Message]
> From: David Cagle <dcagle(a)centurytel.net>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
Rowan, Montgomery Co??
>
> John,
> The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel.
> I am not sure how Dewalt got into this?
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Speight <jfspeight(a)mindspring.com>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,
> Montgomery Co??
>
>
> > David -
> > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping.
> > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)?
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Cagle [mailto:dcagle@centurytel.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM
> > To: John Speight; CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> > Rowan, Montgomery Co??
> >
> >
> > John,
> > I missed the question---I think?
> > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany.
> > David
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Speight <jfspeight(a)mindspring.com>
> > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> > Rowan, Montgomery Co??
> >
> >
> > > Donna -
> > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about
> > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid
> > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh.
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: donnaheck1(a)comcast.net [mailto:donnaheck1@comcast.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM
> > > To: CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,
> > > Montgomery Co??
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out
> > > there? Or,
> > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been
> > looking
> > > at
> > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused
> > > records. Anyone?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> > > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate
> > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this
> > > > line clear this up
> > > for
> > > > me?
> > > >
> > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the
> > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750
> > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Donna
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==============================
> > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
> > > > records,
> > > go to:
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Does anyone connect with this fellow?
Walter Lonzo CAGLE, Birth: 28 Oct 1884 in Murphy, Cherokee,North
Carolina; m: Florence Angeliune Russel, b. 27 Jan 1894
in Monroe Co., TN on 11 May 1911 in Monroe Co., TN. Children: William
Eston Cagle, b. 3 Aug 1912, Loudon, TN.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
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Hi
Here are my notes in my family tree. There is a place were you can see what
the german names are in english and I can't remember but I think David was the
english name for Dewalt?? anyone else know how this went. Johan Theobald
Dewalt (David) Kegel\Cagle is the brother of Johannes "John Dutchman" Cagle there
are not the same person.
Nancy Jane
David's trip to North Carolina;
Some of the Cagle's including David 1728 -1850, traveled to North Carolina
on the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road, some called it the Old Salem Road.
When the first census was taken in 1790, there were ten Cagle families living
in Moore County, North Carolina .
Johan Theobald (Dewalt) "David Cagle (they called him David Cagle).
Childs name Johan Theobald, born the 29th. of April 1728, and was Baptized on
1st of May 1728. Sponcers name, Theobold Fuchs, the sponcer from Alsenborn
and wife Christina, and Andrusa Busch from Trippstadt, Reformed ..
Parents names Leonhart Kegel and his wife Susannah, Reformed from
Obermehlingen, Germany. Records are from a German Church records in Sembach Germany.
Land Grants:
Land Grants of North Carolina , 1767-1818 , Cumberland (present Moore)
County.
Number 1430 David Caygill 1764
No. 1430
County, Cumberland
Name: Caygill, David
Acres 100
Grant No 374
Issued Apr 25, 1767
Warrent No.
Entry No. 95
Entered April 21, 1764
Book No 23 Page No 24
Location on both sides of Flatt Creek.
Notes: David Cagle, and his presumed brother John "Dutchman" Cagle, Acquired
land near the same time in early 1764, David's by land entry (April 21, )
and John's purchase from James Cheney (Feb. 3). David's entry shows that his
tract of 100 Acres lay "about a quarter of a mile from " John Caygills,
Plantation " John was situated at the forks of Bear and Cavin Creeks (where he
remained until his death in 1799). David was situated on Flat Creek, which appently
was a small tributary of either Bear or Cavin Creek. David's survey, of 100
acres, dose not seem to border directly on any previously owned land, and
county, seems to have been sparsely populated at that early date. in 1769,
David sold is track of land to William Smith, and moved westward to what is now
Cabarrus County, North Carolina.
On July 20, David Cagle sold to William Smith the tract of land on Flat Creek
which he had bought in 1764: (Original deed on pp. 4-5 below)
David Kegle to William Smith:
this Indenture made the 20th day of July in the uear of Our Lord 1769.
Between David Kegel and Catharine his wife of Rowan County in the Province of North
Carolina Planter of the one part & William Smith of Cumberland County in the
said Province of the other part Witnesseth that the said David Kegle &
Catharine his wife for & said =eration of the sum of 50 pounds proclamation money to
him in hand paid the Receipt wherof is hereby acknowledged hath granted
bargained sold aliened enfeoffed conveyed & confirmed & by these presents doth grant
bargain sell alien enfeoff convey & confirm unto him the said William smith
his heirs & assigns forever all that Tract piece or parcel of land situated
lying & being in Cumbeland County aforesaid on both sides Flat Creek. Beginning at
a Post Oak thence South 39 West 127 poles to a stake thence South 81 East 127
poles to a Red Oak, thence North 39 East 127 poles to a Pine thence North 81
West 127 poles to the beginning including the Plantation Whereon the
aboveDavid Kegle sold to the above named William Smith his heirs executors
administratores or assigns, Together with all Housed Buildings Orchards Gardens Meadows
Enclosures Improvements Woods Trees Waters Water Courses profits Commodities
Advantage Hereditaments & appurtenances whatsoever to the same tract piece or
parcel of land & premises above mentioned & described belonging or in any wise
appertaining, and also the Reversion and Reversions, Remainder & Remainders,
rents issues & profits of the said premises & evry part & parcel thereof together
with all the estate right title interest claim and demand whatsoever of him
the siaid David Kegle & Catharine his wife of in & to the said tract or parcel
of Land and Premises & every part & Parcel thereof, to have & to hald the said
tract or parcel and land & premises herby granted or mentioned to be granted
with their appurtenacnes unto the said William Smith and heirs & assigns
forever and the said David Kegle & Catharine his wife for them selves & their heirs
the said Tract or parcel of Land and premises & every part & parcel thereof
against them & their heirs & againt all person or persons laying any lawful
claim thereto, Shall & will Warrant and for ever defind by these presents.
In Withness Wherof the said David Kegle & Catharine his wife hath hereunto
set their hands & seals the day & year first above written.
his
Sealed & delivered) David X Kegle (Seal)
in presence of ) mark
his ) her
John X Kegle ) North Carolina Catherine X Kegle (Seal)
mark ) Cumberland County mark
Simon Hart ) Oct Court 1769
George Kegle )
Then was the execution of this Deed in Open Court due form of Law proved by
the Oath of Simon Kegle and ordered to be Recorded & Recorded in Minutes of
Said Court. Thomas Rutherford C.C.
David Cagle is known to have ties to three North Carolina regions: (1) Old
Rowan County, 1760, and perhaps also 1750s. Probably lived somewhere along Deep
River, either in Randolph of Guilford, was on tax list, sometime in 1760s,
with son John , (2) Old Cumberland County, had land paten at forks of Bear and
Cabin Creeks in 1767, which he sold in 1769. (3) Cabarrus County, then part
of Mecklenburg, had land entry in 1779, maybe died there in 1780s.
Notes from John G. Cagle's books.
----------------------------------------------------------
Ancient Pennsylvania Landmarks Known to Leonhart Kegel, 1732-54
Oley Township, Berks County, PA
Oley Township, a few miles east of Reading, in Berks co., PA, is the only
township in America which has been added to the National Register of Historic
Places, as an entire Township. Its settlement dates back as far as 1699, and it
ancient German and French Huguenot homesteads have building standing dated
from 1706. It was already a generation old, and a thriving settlement, when the
Cagles arrived from Germany in 1730s; and was nearly a half-century old when
John "Dutchman" Cagle lived in Oley in the early 1750s. Leonhart Kegel, the
1732 immigrant, and believed to be father of John "Dutchman" Cagle, acquired land
in Oley Township in 1737; at that time, however, old Oley Township
encompassed more territory than does the present Oley Twp., and section in which
Leonhart lived was later made into Alsace Township.
The economy of Oley Township was based, originally, on farming in the broad
Oley Valley, and on iron-working in the scenic hills which ring the valley. Of
the iron furnaces and forges in Oley, perhaps the most famous was that of
Iarger Family (later Anglicized to "Hunter"), headed by Nicholas Hunter. In an
obscure court case, dating for 1753, Berks Co. records sho that Nicholas Hunter,
on one occasion, filed suite against a John Kegle, believed to be John
"Dutchman" Cagle, who later moved to North Carolina in 1754-55. Oldest homestead in
Oley is that of Johannes Keim, built 1706; he was the ancestor of the Kime
family of Guilford Co., NC. Oley Township furnished a number of families to
central North Carolina during the 1740s adn 1750s including the Keim, Cagle, and
Stutts Families.
(The Nicholas Hunter homestead in Oley Twp., neat the ruins of the famed Oley
Forge. The Oley Lutheran Church stands nearby, but its early recors are lost.
One of the most memorable sights in the city of Reading, Berks Co., PA, is
Alsace Hill in the northern part of town, capped by the twin towers of the
Alsace Lutheran and Alsace German Reformed Churches. The two churches, identical
in construction, stand on either side of a common parking lot, and share a
common graveyard. From date of founding in 1732, until construction of the present
buildings in 1907, the two congrrefations worshipped in a single building, at
alternatin times, under a "Union Church" arrangement.
The Alsace churches stand on the homestead of Dewalt Baum, closest neighbor
of Leonhart Cagle, during Leonard's period of residence, 1737-1748, in Alsace
Township. The Cagles may will have been members of the Alsace Lutheran Church,
but this cannot be verified, as early records of the Church have been lost.
There is a replica of the original Alsace Church building, which served the
congragtion form ca1737-1753 replaced by a stone church in 1753. The log church
was in use during the period of Leonard Cagle's residence in the township,
and stood about a quarter-mile from his home. The present Alsace Lutheran
Church, in use since 1907. and identical building, standing adjacent, is the German
Ref. church.
Here is a paragraph from the published history of the Alsace Church describes
the expansion of the Church in the era of 1748-1754. In 1748, the year of
the founding of Reading, PA, Leonard Cagle, vacted his homstead in Alsace and
move a few miles distant to Brecknock Township, in Berks Co.
(I found this in one or the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry's,) (July
1987 pg. 2) by; John G. Cagle of Little Rock , Arkansas.
1810 Census Moore County, North Carolina
Cagle , Caty 001 - 01001 P. 060 (widow of John , d-1799)(second wife
of John )
John "Dutchman " Cagle ( Some called him Dutch)
John Cagle 1726-1799, America's first gold rush, Cabarrus County, North
Carolina . The first find was a 17 lb. gold nugget, founded in Little Meadow
Creek by Conrad Reeds, minor son of John Reed. A German immigrant , it soon
became the nations source of gold. (Then there was a gold strike in California in
the late 1840s). Henry Cagle 1760-1830 was a neighbor of John Reed. Old
David 1728-1780. and his brother John Dutchman 1726-1799, had homesteaded at
this location in 1764.
Old David became the owner and operater of the first gold mine in Moore
County, North Carolina . John Dutchman's son John inherited 150 acres, John
moved to Mississippi in the early 1810s and left his land to his brother ,George
1760-1830. George gave his land to his son John M. Cagle born 1793-1860, He
stayed on the place and worked the mine, he became the wealthist Cagle , in
America, his assets valued at $35,000.00.
Census 1860:
John M. Cagle, age 67, born in Nort Carolina
Martha Cagle, age 50, born in North Carolina
Enoch S. Cagle , age 25, born North Carolina
Real Estate Value $ 5,371.00, Personal Property $30,000.00 .
John "Dutchman" Cagle - Land Grants & Tax List.
John Kegill - died 1799 Bought 100 acres Feb. 1764, by Bear Creek. (This is
where the Gold Mine was)
David Cayjill - Bought 100 acres, both sides of Flat Creek. Acres.
Charles Cagle died 1802, bought land August 11 1767 , on Little Buffalo
River .
Leonard Bought land in 1768, on Buffalo River.
Henry died 1802, bought land on Little Buffalo River .
George Died 1825 bought 30 acres between Cabin Creek and Bear Creek.
1767 Tax List:
Cumberland County, North Carolina :
John Cagle, Henry Cagle, Leonard Cagle .
1777 Tax List:
John Cagle 310 Acres.
Henry Cagle 150 Acres
George
Cagle 120 Acres.
Names where all misspelled by the land office.
Notes from John G. Cagle's books on the Cagle's
16 years, 4 months
by Richard Vick
Cagle, Howard Huston
Race, where born: White, Carterville
Relation of: Son of Mr & Mrs T. E. Cagle
Charge to:
Residence: Carterville, Ill
Date of birth: Mar 25, 1895
Date of death, age: Aug 20, 1921, 26 years, 4 months, 24 days
Place of death: Residence
Cause of death: Pulmonary tuberculosis
Physician: F. M. Hiller, Carterville
Funeral: Baptist Church
Occupation, marital status, religion: Plumber, Single, Baptist
Parents/birthplaces: T. E. Cagle, Carterville. Cula Caddy, Williamson Co
Interment: Oakwood
Notes:
Book E, page 42
There are many Cagles in the combined cemeteries at the following URL:
http://www.tngenweb.org/monroe/cems/c1.htm
Lee Cagle
Okla City
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I'm looking, I'm looking. They are not to be found in the 1860 and 1870
censuses for NC. Hmm.
John
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From: caglel1(a)juno.com [mailto:caglel1@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CAGLE] Sarah Cagle m: Wiley Jones, Stanly County, NC
The following appears in the Stanly County Historical Society Marriage
Book I, 1851-1867, page 11:
Cagle, Sarah to Wiley Jones 05 Jun 1853 by W. B. Herrin, JP."
Does anyone connect to this family?
Lee Cagle
Okla City
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I have communicated with you several times about your family.
You have enough information for a good search for documents to
prove the names you think you know. To begin with, you should
obtain a death certificate for both your father and grandfather from
the states where they lived. There may be information as to their
parents names, etc. Next, attempt to locate them on census records,
this will give you the names of their children and approximate ages.
You have the makings of a very good beginning, you just need to
get some direction. Start with your self and your family, then
spread out to siblings, then to your father and his brothers, remember
dates are as important as names in determining who is who because
there are so many with the same name.
You already know your grandfather's name and his death certificate
should give you his father's name, if you can't learn it this way, then
go to the census records which you will have to do anyway.
Let me know of your progress and if I can help you, let me know.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
On 10 Oct 2003 17:28:39 -0600 rrobfrost61(a)bellsouth.net writes:
> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
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> Message Board Post:
>
> hi,
> i dont have much information to go on.all i know is a aunt fannie
> that lived in the mtns of nc ...my dad is douglas cagle and my
> grandfather is roy . i know theres other names that ive heard-otto,
> vernal ,ernest. supposedly my great grandparents were david cagle
> and sally grasty. i know i have a edward or ed cagle which is my
> grandfathers brother.
> my grandfather had some children in his first marraige wife's name
> is unknown -the children was unknown till his death and i think
> their names was mary, john, and one more boy.
> my father had brothers and sisters-wayne, carl ,vera ,and judy.
> sorry i cant help you any more.
>
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George made his first known appearance in 1769, when he witnessed the
deed whereby "David" Johan Theobald Dewalt Kegel/Cagle b. 1728, sold his
his plantation in Cumberland, having moved westward to the Rowan/Cabarrus
County area of North Carolina. It was thought at one time among Cagle
researchers that George was the oldest son of "David" Kegel/Cagle, b.
1728, but more recent research seems to suggest he is more likely the
youngest brother of David. During the 1770s and 1780s, George Cagle
appeared in a variety of records in Cumberland and Moore Counties (Moore
being formed in 1784 from the NW part of Cumberland), including a survey
for a land grant in 1772, near the plantation of John "Dutchman"
Kegel/Cagle at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks; this tract of 150
acres was granted to George on 24 May 1773, and it apparantly was his
home until his move to Montgomery (present Stanly) County, NC in the late
1780s.
George also appeared on all the extant tax lists for Cumberland County
prior to the formation of Moore Co., those being the lists of 1777-1780
and 1783. After the formation of Moore, George made about a dozen
appearances in the minute book of the Court of Pleas and Quarter
Sessions (1784-1795 record book) during the years 1784 through 1788,
primarily as a juror and a road overseer. His last threee appearances,
in 1788, were as follows:
May 1788 Court: Among those appointed to serve as jurymen for the next
term of court were George and Leonard Cagle.
Aug 1788 Court: List of men selected as Grand Jurors for the term
includes George and Leonard Cagle.
Nov 1788 Court: Among those men ordered to appear for jury duty at the
next term of court were George, Leonard and John "Dutchman" Cagle.
No records for George Cagle are found in the minutes of the Court of
Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Moore County for the years 1789 and
following and it might be considered whether 1789 was his year of
migration to Montgomery Co., NC. It is known George appeared in records
of Montgomery County as early as 7 Jan 1790, when he made an entry for a
grant of 50 acres on the Cedar Branch of Stoney Run;
this tract was surveyed on 14 Feb 1791, with Georges son, Benjamin Cagle,
1774-1843, serving as one of the chain carriers. The tract was granted
to George on 20 Dec 1791, and it is believed he lived on or near this
tract until his death in 1825. George was apparently missed in the
Federal Survey of 1790, Montgomery County.
George was listed on the US Fed Censuses for Montgomery County, North
Carolina for 1800 and 1810.
1800 Montgomery , North Carolina W. of Peedee
Cagle, George 02301-01101
1810 Montgomery North Carolina , W. Peedee.
Cagle, George 00001-02001
George Cagle 1740s-1825, lived in the western end of Montgomery Co., NC
which eventually became Stanly County in 1841. However, most of the
early records of Montgomery County were lost to a courthouse fire in
1838, and among those records lost were the estate papers of George and
Charles Cagle. The only clue to contents of the George Cagle estate
comes from a brief mention in the Benjamin Cagle letter of 1826. The
following letter was sent by Benjamin Cagle 1774-1843 of Montgomery Co.,
NC, to his brother David Cagle and his sister Elizabeth Cagle Hagler,
wife of Jacob Hagler, all of Henry Co., GA. The impression given is
Benjamin's letter was enclosed with the letter from his mother, Rebecca
(see notes on Rebecca). The text of Benjamin's letter, which deals
largely with the settlement of his deceased father's estate, reads as
follow:
Brothers and Sisters and families:
"I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all well at
this time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the family
this fall he was about two years old a black boy. The above is
sufficient for you to read and now I come to write you how Father's
concerns stands. He left one horse, two cows, and all household
furniture to Mother and all the rest to be equally divided except twenty
dollars over and above to Robert and I and George. I expect to be ready
by next October to make settlement with the Legatees and I should be glad
that you could come out then as the amount of the sale was only one
hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that Jacob Hagler and
Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them to come next
fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any critters
left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to mother.
"So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until death.
"Benjamin Cagle,"
To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth Hagler.
(Note the word "creter" may
mean "Critter or Creature" i.e., animal.
The person who is referred to as "father" in Benjamin's letter obviously
was George Cagle, who had died in 1825. The fact Rebecca's husband was
named George is verified by the 1797 baptismal records of daughter,
Rebecca, b. 1791, in which the parents are given as George and Rebecca
Cagle.
George and Rebecca were members of the Church which was located near Big
Creek, Just off Hwy 27 west of the bridge in a pasture below Liberty Hill
Primitive Baptist Church . There are a lot of graves located there, but
George Cagle , 1750 - 1825 and Mary Harley are the only graves marked.
The land where the Church was is now owned by the Huneycutts.
Another researcher of this line is Jason Cagle, 133 Cotton Tail Lane,
Concord, NC 28025 or Jason Cagle,
Harvard Univ, 281 Eliot House Mail Ctr, 101 Dunster St, Cambridge, MA
02138-7524
Lee Cagle
Okla City
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:33:50 -0500 "David Cagle" <dcagle(a)centurytel.net>
writes:
> Donna,
> You are talking about the same person. Any guess I made would only
> be
> speculation. If George was born close to 1740, he was probably the
> child of
> "Old" Leonard. On the other hand, a 1750 birth for George would
> allow him
> to be considered the son of David who was born in 1728. On the
> whole, it
> appears that George might be a little old to be the son of David.
> For that
> reason and the migration patters of George, until proven
> differently, I
> think George was a brother to David.
> My 2 cents worth,
> David
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:24 PM
> Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore,
> Rowan,
> Montgomery Co??
>
>
> > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out
> there?
> Or,
> > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been
> looking
> at
> > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same
> confused
> records.
> > Anyone?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750
> >
> >
> > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate
> person.
> I'm
> > > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear
> this up
> > for
> > > me?
> > >
> > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the
> immigrant)
> > > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 linked
> to David
> > > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Donna
> > >
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I missed the question---I think?
Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: John Speight <jfspeight(a)mindspring.com>
To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM
Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,
Montgomery Co??
> Donna -
> My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about
> the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid all
> of us are using some and the same bogus info.
> Sigh.
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: donnaheck1(a)comcast.net [mailto:donnaheck1@comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,
> Montgomery Co??
>
>
> Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out there?
> Or,
> does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking
> at
> Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused
> records. Anyone?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <donnaheck1(a)comcast.net>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750
>
>
> > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate person.
> > I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear
> > this up
> for
> > me?
> >
> > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the
> > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750
> > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Donna
> >
> >
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We are haveing a Cagle reunion Oct. 26, 2003 at Duck Spring. This is in Alabama the road call Duck Spring road. If any one like to make it we be glad to have you to come. The lady that get this up call us , to let us know when it will be. We have always had it the 4th weekend of Oct.We always bring a dish for lunch.
Dianna
Cathy,
John G. Cagle, has published a few books but I don't know what is
available.
This is his address :
John G. Cagle
Box 55342
Little Rock, AR 72215
Telephone : 501-224-3819
You may want to call him first for the information you need. He has been
real inconsistent with delivering his Cagle Journal. I have just given up
on them. I don't know if he is ill or even if he is still publishing.
Earl
> [Original Message]
> From: Cathy Stump <grommacathy(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/17/2003 3:38:36 PM
> Subject: [CAGLE] John G. Cagle's book
>
> I have read several entries that have referred to John G. Cagle's book.
Could someone give me some information about the book and if and where it
could be purchased. Thanks.
>
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have been down for maintenance. They tell me that everything should be back
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So keep those Cagle messages coming.
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The following appears in the Stanly County Historical Society Marriage
Book I, 1851-1867, page 11:
Cagle, Sarah to Wiley Jones 05 Jun 1853 by W. B. Herrin, JP."
Does anyone connect to this family?
Lee Cagle
Okla City
The following appears in the Stanly County, NC Historical Society
Marriage Book II, page 188:
"Cagle, Sarah C. 21 -Parents: James and Jane, to Allen Hurlocker 29 -
Parents: David Hurlocker, J. C. Murph on 06 Jan 1902 by P. G. Hartsell,
Minister."
Does anyone connect to these folks?
Lee Cagle
Okla City
LaMona,
Disregard portions of my previous message. I just found the following in
the Stanly Co., NC Historical Society Marriage Book II which
confirms my suspicions regarding the marriage of son, James D Cagle b. 18
Oct 1854, Stanly Co., NC to Eunice J Austin, b. 21 Sep 1860,
Stanly Co., NC. She is the daughter of Jacob and Sarah Austin of Stanly
County.
"Cagle, James D. 21 - D. S. and Sarah to Eunicy J. Austin 15 - Jacob and
Sarah on 08 Aug 1875 by J. W. Huneycutt 38"
She was only 15 yrs of age when she married James above. It appears she
had never been married before. The two daughters
Ida and Malina are probably hers and James children; however, I would
suggest the date of birth for Ida is after 1875.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
LaMona,
I have James D Cagle, (you show James A., b. Aug 1855) b. 18 Oct 1854,
son of David S Cagle above, married Eunice J Little, b. 21 Sep 1860 (you
show 1861).
You show two daughters Ida and Malina born 1872 and 1879 respectively.
If the DOB of 1861 is correct, she would have been
11 yrs of age at the birth of Ida Cagle.
The book by Charles O Cagle indicates Eunice's maiden name was Austin.
Could it be that Eunice was previously married. She was
26 years of age at the birth of her first Cagle child.
I believe these two daughters were the children of a previous marriage
to an Unknown Little and her maiden name was Austin as
shown by Charles O Cagle's book. The problem is her date of birth which
is also, listed as 21 Sep 1860 in Charles O Cagle's book.
Maybe, these children were her step children resulting from the death of
her previous husband. It would not be the first time a step
mother raised her step children following the death of her husband. Of
course, this is pure speculation. However, I don't believe
Eunice was giving birth at 11 yrs of age.
What do you think.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
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