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The following are buried in this cemetery. Does anyone connect to them:
Name, date of interment, Grade, Branch of Service, Lot and location of
grave.
CAGLE, GEORGE R, 04-02-97, 1SG/USMC, 11, 1159
CAGLE, GEORGE W, 07-06-83, TSGT/USAF, 1, 2068
CAGLE, HOWARD, 12-14-84, PVT/USMC, 1, 957
CAGLE, JAMES D, 07-18-83, LTC/USAF, 1, 2081
CAGLE, JESSE B, 01-16-47, D/STEPSON, P-H, 2
CAGLE, LESLIE D, 09-14-95, SP4/USA, 15, 529
CAGLE, WELDON MAX, 08-19-97, MSGT/USA, 12, 28
Lee Cagle
Okla City
An article appeared in the Sequachee Valley News of Marion Co., TN dated
2 February 1905 regarding
Nimrod Cagle and the unfortunate accidents which have befallen him with
regard to broken bones, etc.
Nimrod went on to tell the editor of the paper that his great grandmother
was a sister of George Washington. His son, Howell verified the story by
saying he once visited with his great grandmother
who apparently told him the same story. The relationship appears to be
established with Mary Carter,
wife of John David Cagle, b. 9 Apr 1800. Mary Carter's mother seems to
be the connection. A copy of
the article was printed in the "Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry" Sep
1988 issue, page 10. John G.
Cagle continues with the following:
Nimrod Titus Cagle, 1850-1934, was son of Benjamin S Cagle, 1826-1891,
and grandson of John D Cagle and Mary Carter. Note the reference to the
sister of George Washingto in the article.
The second item comes from the collection of genealogical queries from
the 1930s know as the "Boston
Transcript Genealogical Columns". One query, 2 Mar 1934, (name of
submitter unknown) reads:
"I desire ancestry and genealogy of the following named persons, and will
exchange information with any who desire. John D. Cagle married Mary
Carter, descendant of family of George Washington. He was born in North
Carolina but lived and died in Tennessee."
Mary Carter, it is known was the daughter of Benjamin Carter and Mary
Redmon (Redman), but further information has not been collected, to this
point on the Carter/Redman families.
John made a preliminary check of the standard biographies on the family
of George Washington, and notes that the names Carter and Redman do
appear, but has yet to establish a direct link. Source: Cagle Journal of
Historical Inquiry, page 10, Sep 1988.
Does anyone know if this was ever followed up and a connection
established.
Lee Cagle
Okla City
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Hi David
I have Johan Theobald "David" Cagle born April 29, 1728 the father of George=
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because Charles and Susannah children who have the decendents who have the=20
Hemochromatosis this causes alot of kinds of different illness that can lead=
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to deaths. This was a common practice to marry cousin's. I know there is a=20
question about this family group but I have left it the way I have it. This=20
is what is great about this group you can have discussion's a different=20
opinion's . And the problem is everyone named thier children the same names=20
we just have to try and sort them out. hehe
Hereditary Hemochromatosis is a disorder of iron metabloism that increases=20
iron absorption and resuls in excessive iron accumulation. It can cause=20
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body, including arthritis, cirrhosis of the liver, (even if you do not drink=
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heart failure and liver cancer.=20
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cirrhosis of the liver, liver cancer, diabetes mellitus, hypopituitarism,=20
hypogonadism, heart disease or heart failure, joint disease, chronic abdomia=
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pain, severe fatigue and increased risk of certain bacterial infections.=20
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HEREDITARY HEMOCHROMATOSIS=20
Hereditary Hemochromatosis,[HH]=20
is a genetic condition of iron overload affecting approximately 1 out of=20
200-300 people, with 1 in 8-10 people being carriers.
It is 100% fatal if not diagnosed early & treated aggressively, yet with=20
early diagnosis & treatment, one can expect a normal life span.
In this table you will find many of the symptoms or problems that may be=20
associated with this condition.
HEART chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue arrythmias, rapid pulse,=
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irregular heartbeats cardiomegaly congestive heart failure [CHF] hear=
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PANCREAS cancer of the pancreas diabetes "bronze diabetes" =20
REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM decreased libido, impotence hypogonadism infertility,=
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OTHER AREAS that may be affected and/or symptoms: pituitary gland=20
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<<Jacob, presumed son of Johan Cagle,1728, is said by family tradition to
have been the first Cagle child to be born in North Carolina, Guilford
Region in April 1755, after his family's move from Pennsylvania to North
Carolina in the 1754-55 era. >>
<<"(2) The prevailing opinion among modern Cagle researchers descended from
Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, of Warren Co., TN and from Jacob Cagle, 1766-1850's
of Hall Co. GA, is that the former was the son of David Cagle and that the
latter was the son of John "Dutchman Cagle.">>
Hi All,
I just wanted to get a clarification on the discussion. In the above quotes
from previous posts reference is made to "David" and "Johan". I want to make
sure I understand this correctly. These are the same person, right? Is this
the same as Johan Theobald Dewalt aka David?
Just needed to get this straight in my mind. I've been buried in research on
my husband's family (Heck) which is littered with "Johan's" who are aka
"John". Sure don't want to get that error going on the Cagle's! Wonder if
perhaps others have made a similar mistake with their Cagle research in the
past?
Donna Kay
Tom:
Like David, I certainly am not an expert. I too, rely heavily on John
G's
publishings. The following was taken almost word for word (the rare
corrections
I made to the text were spelling and punctuation for the sake of clarity)
from the John's
"Land Grants of North Carolina 1767-1918" revised and reprinted 1997. I
hope this will
help to clear the waters,so to speak.
Jacob, presumed son of Johan Cagle,1728, is said by family tradition to
have been the first Cagle child to be born in North Carolina, Guilford
Region in April 1755, after his family's move from Pennsylvania to North
Carolina in the 1754-55 era. Jacob apparently grew up in old Cumberland,
present Moore Cos.,where Johan Cagle had a land entry near the forks of
Bear and Cabin Creeks in 1767. In the 1770s, Jacob accompanied his
father to Mecklenburg, present Cabarrus, Cos., where both had land
entries in 1779. In 1779, Jacob entered 200 acres of land in
Mecklenburg (present Cabarrus) County, near the entries of his father and
brother, Charles Cagle. About 1781, Jacob returned to Cumberland
(present Moore) County, where he had lived as a child when his father had
land at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks in 1767. Jacob remained in
Cumberland/Moore until 1800, and appeared in both the 1790 and 1800
census there. He, also had land entries in Moore Co., in 1789 and 1790.
1800 Moore, NC Cagle, Jacob 31101-2001 (1810
Buncombe , NC)
These additional notes were taken from various Journals and other
publications of John G.
and I provide these for the benefit of those list members who may be
descended from John
Cagle, b. Apr 1755.
In 1800, Jacob moved back to the Mecklenburg County area, perhaps to
Cabarrus Co., which had been formed in 1792 from that part of Mecklenburg
where he had lived in 1779. During this same decade, Jacob moved
westward to Buncombe Co., and his entry of 200 acres on Odell's Mill
Shoal, a tributary of the west fork of the French Broad River, in 1807
probably marks his time of arrival in that county. This land now lies in
Transylvania Co., NC, though at that time it was a part of old Buncombe
County. Jacob appeared in the 1810 Census of Buncombe., but was absent
from the next census in 1820.
1810 Buncombe, North Carolina Cagle, Jacob 11101-01101
At this time Jacob was about 55 years of age, and the census shows Jacob
and wife as both being in the 45+ age bracket, with three sons and two
daughters still at home. Two of these sons probably were Henry Cagle,
1790s-1840s, and John D Cagle, 1800-1863, who later lived near Jacob in
Warren Co., TN.
Jacob had two older sons, Jacob Jr, born c.1775, and Charles, born
c.1780, who do not appear in the 1810 census in NC, and who may have
already been in Tennessee by that year. They also appeared in the census
records of Warren Co., TN in later years, along with old Jacob.
The time of old Jacob's move to Tennessee is not known with certainty. A
Jacob Cagle does appear on the 1812 Tax List of Warren Co., TN and has
traditionally been identified as old Jacob, 1755-1845. It should be
noted; however, this could have been Jacob Jr., c. 1775-1850s. Old Jacob
sold his 200 acres on Odell's Mill Shoal on Apr 1, 1814 to Thomas Singard
recorded in Deed Book G, pare 160, on May 14 1814. This probably marks
the date of his permanent move from NC to TN. In 1820, Jacob was
enumerated in the census of Warren Co., TN, along with his son Charles
Cagle, c.1780-1840s, as follows:
1820 Warren County, Tennessee Kagle, Jacob 001101-1
Kagle, Charles 20001-101
1830 Warren County, Tennessee Cagle, Jacob 0000100001 - 0000101
He was born, by his own admission on his Revolutionary War pension
application, in April 1755 on the head waters of Deep River in, Orange
Co, NC. Jacob was a Revolutionary War Veteran from Mecklenburg and
Cumberland Cos., NC. He served under Captain Smith of Cumberland County,
NC in 1781. In 29 Jul 1834, Jacob filed for a pension as a Revolutionary
War Soldier. The pension was approved and Jacob drew it until his death
on August 14, 1845. Jacobs first wife, Lucy UNKNOWN, was the mother of
all his children; his second wife Sarah "Sally" had no children. Jacob's
will was recorded July 5, 1836. His sons Charles and Henry also died
there. Jacob was 66 yrs old and Sarah was 45 yrs old when they married in
1821. Jacobs home place was surveyed in 1824 and was 50 acres on Dry
Creek on the Collins River on Cumberland Mountain.
1838 Tax List Warren Co., TN
Charles Cagle Dist #5
Charles Cagle (big) Dist #5
Henry B. Cagle Dist #5
John Cagle Dist #5
Jacob Jr. Cagle Dist #6
Jacob Sr. Cagle Dist #6
1840 Warren Co., TN
Jacob Cagle , 1 male 60-70, 1 female 50-60 (This is probably our Jacob -
he would have been 65)
1840 Census Index Warren Co., TN
John Cagle
John Cagle
Jacob Cagle
David Cagle
John Cagle
Ignatius Cagle
Abstracts of Rev. War Pension Files:
Jacob Cagle R1581,C Line, soldier applied 29 Jul 1834 Warren Co., TN,
aged 78, enlisted in Mecklenburg Cty NC and later moved to Cumberland
Co., NC and also enlisted there and after his service moved back to
Mecklenburg Co., NC for several years then moved to Buncombe Co., NC for
8 to 10 yrs, then to Warren Co., Tenn about 1812. In 1820 married a 2nd
wife in Buncombe Co., NC (Submitted by Researcher Joseph H. Childress
who adds: "He was approved and received an annual pension until his
death, but his widow, a 2nd wife, applied in the 1850s but was not
approved. Jacob was living in Warren County by 1812, see tax lists. He
is seen in the1820 and 1830 census. He gave his pension statement 29
April 1834 in Warren Co., TN before P. Henderson, clerk. John Rogers and
Jacob Woodley attested to his character and J.C. Mitchell was the Judge.
He was granted a pension of $40.00 per year and drew the pension until
his death in 1845. He lived in Warren Cty TN for the final 35 years of
his life.")
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:03:16 -0700 "David Cagle" <dcagle(a)centurytel.net>
writes:
> Tom,
> I am not the expert and I am throwing this out for discussion.
> Following I
> have responded to your 4 items below.
>
> 1. The head waters of Deep River are nowhere near Moore Co. or John
> Cagle's
> Plantation in that county. Moore Co. is probably as much as 50
> miles south
> of the head waters of Deep River.
>
> 2. While John G. Cagle and others are not definite on the Jacob
> Cagle
> thing, following is a quote from the April 1990 Cagle Journal, page
> 2:
> "(2) The prevailing opinion among modern Cagle researchers descended
> from
> Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, of Warren Co., TN and from Jacob Cagle,
> 1766-1850's
> of Hall Co. GA, is that the former was the son of David Cagle and
> that the
> latter was the son of John "Dutchman Cagle."
>
> 3. I agree about John G. Cagle and his knowledge, but don't believe
> I have
> seen where he matched Jacob 1755 with John Dutchman and Jacob 1766
> with
> David. If so, where can I find this? Unless William Cagle of the
> 1850
> census of Blount Co., TN was exaggerating, he was born in NC in
> 1754, a year
> before Jacob.
>
> 4. See No. 2 above. I agree with John G. Cagle, not the other way
> around.
>
> I am not a descendent or either of these Jacob Cagles.
>
> David
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Cagle <tomcagle(a)earthlink.net>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Fw: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
> JohnDutchman
> Cagle] W...
>
>
> > This is a forwarded message because the original message size was
> to large
> > for rootsweb server's limits. I removed the attachments.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Cagle" <tomcagle(a)earthlink.net>
> > To: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>; <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
> JohnDutchman
> > Cagle] W...
> >
> >
> > > Attached is a copy (two pages of several pages) of Jacob
> Cagle's
> (b.1755)
> > > Revolutionary War Pension Application.
> > >
> > > 1) Jacob Cagle (b.1755) states in his application that he "was
> born on
> > or
> > > near to the headwaters of Deep River in the state of North
> Carolina
> > > in April 1755 "
> > > 2) This is John Cagle's (Johannes Kegel) homestead.
> > > 3) John G. Cagle, probably the most recognized Cagle Family
> expert, is
> on
> > > record that Jacob Cagle (b.1755) is one son of several children
> of
> John
> > > Cagle (Johannes Kegel). John G. Cagle in his publications cites
> Jacob
> > Cagle
> > > (b. 1755) as being a son of John Cagle (Johannes Kegel, Dutchman
> Cagle)
> > and
> > > Jacob Cagle (b.1755) as being the first Cagle born in North
> Carolina.
> > > 4) One can review the Jacob Cagle (b. 1766) as mentioned by
> David
> > Cagle's
> > > emails noted below by referring to John G. Cagle's research,
> in his
> > > publications, and in his "The Cagle Journal of Historical
> Inquiry".
> > John
> > > G. has discussed this issue and disagrees with David Cagle.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > tomcagle(a)earthlink.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>
> > > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
> > JohnDutchman
> > > Cagle] W...
> > >
> > >
> > > > David Cagle wrote :
> > > > =======================
> > > > I agree with Earl. I believe they are all children of John
> "Dutchman"
> > > > Cagle. I also believe that Jacob, son of John, was the one
> born in
> 1766
> > > > who went to GA. I have no proof, John G. Cagle listed family
> traditions
> > > > and associations with other Moore Co., NC families. There was
> a Thomas
> > > > Gilmore living in Moore Co., NC in 1800 which, however,
> doesn't prove
> > > > anything.. David
> > > > =====================================
> > > > David & List,
> > > > Thanks David, as your philosophy is the same as mine. I was
> unaware of
> > > > this Gilmore listing, of 1800 Moore; Co; NC. Thanks for
> including this
> > > > data. If John, was born abt. 1730 he may of fathered his
> first
> children
> > > > around 1750. By the time of his will in 1798 he I am sure had
> minor
> sons
> > > > and daughters, as well as of legal age. His daughters
> Elizabeth and
> > > > Mary, (if they were his daughters) would be old enough to
> mary, and be
> > > > mothers. Even if they were born in the late 1760's, or early
> 1770's.
> > > > Earl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==============================
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> > > >
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Tom,
I am not the expert and I am throwing this out for discussion. Following I
have responded to your 4 items below.
1. The head waters of Deep River are nowhere near Moore Co. or John Cagle's
Plantation in that county. Moore Co. is probably as much as 50 miles south
of the head waters of Deep River.
2. While John G. Cagle and others are not definite on the Jacob Cagle
thing, following is a quote from the April 1990 Cagle Journal, page 2:
"(2) The prevailing opinion among modern Cagle researchers descended from
Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, of Warren Co., TN and from Jacob Cagle, 1766-1850's
of Hall Co. GA, is that the former was the son of David Cagle and that the
latter was the son of John "Dutchman Cagle."
3. I agree about John G. Cagle and his knowledge, but don't believe I have
seen where he matched Jacob 1755 with John Dutchman and Jacob 1766 with
David. If so, where can I find this? Unless William Cagle of the 1850
census of Blount Co., TN was exaggerating, he was born in NC in 1754, a year
before Jacob.
4. See No. 2 above. I agree with John G. Cagle, not the other way around.
I am not a descendent or either of these Jacob Cagles.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cagle <tomcagle(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Fw: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel, JohnDutchman
Cagle] W...
> This is a forwarded message because the original message size was to large
> for rootsweb server's limits. I removed the attachments.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Cagle" <tomcagle(a)earthlink.net>
> To: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>; <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
JohnDutchman
> Cagle] W...
>
>
> > Attached is a copy (two pages of several pages) of Jacob Cagle's
(b.1755)
> > Revolutionary War Pension Application.
> >
> > 1) Jacob Cagle (b.1755) states in his application that he "was born on
> or
> > near to the headwaters of Deep River in the state of North Carolina
> > in April 1755 "
> > 2) This is John Cagle's (Johannes Kegel) homestead.
> > 3) John G. Cagle, probably the most recognized Cagle Family expert, is
on
> > record that Jacob Cagle (b.1755) is one son of several children of
John
> > Cagle (Johannes Kegel). John G. Cagle in his publications cites Jacob
> Cagle
> > (b. 1755) as being a son of John Cagle (Johannes Kegel, Dutchman Cagle)
> and
> > Jacob Cagle (b.1755) as being the first Cagle born in North Carolina.
> > 4) One can review the Jacob Cagle (b. 1766) as mentioned by David
> Cagle's
> > emails noted below by referring to John G. Cagle's research, in his
> > publications, and in his "The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry".
> John
> > G. has discussed this issue and disagrees with David Cagle.
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > tomcagle(a)earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>
> > To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
> JohnDutchman
> > Cagle] W...
> >
> >
> > > David Cagle wrote :
> > > =======================
> > > I agree with Earl. I believe they are all children of John "Dutchman"
> > > Cagle. I also believe that Jacob, son of John, was the one born in
1766
> > > who went to GA. I have no proof, John G. Cagle listed family
traditions
> > > and associations with other Moore Co., NC families. There was a Thomas
> > > Gilmore living in Moore Co., NC in 1800 which, however, doesn't prove
> > > anything.. David
> > > =====================================
> > > David & List,
> > > Thanks David, as your philosophy is the same as mine. I was unaware of
> > > this Gilmore listing, of 1800 Moore; Co; NC. Thanks for including this
> > > data. If John, was born abt. 1730 he may of fathered his first
children
> > > around 1750. By the time of his will in 1798 he I am sure had minor
sons
> > > and daughters, as well as of legal age. His daughters Elizabeth and
> > > Mary, (if they were his daughters) would be old enough to mary, and be
> > > mothers. Even if they were born in the late 1760's, or early 1770's.
> > > Earl
> > >
> > >
> > > http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
> > >
> > >
> > > ==============================
> > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
> records,
> > go to:
> > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> > >
> >
>
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
go to:
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>
>
Tom Cagle wrote :
--------------------------
Earl and list,
I have a copy of the will of Henry Kegel of Northampton Co., PA dated
1789. With the help of Nancy Jane we were able to get a translation of
this rather lengthy document. He had a wife Elizabeth, a daughter
Elizabeth and a son Nicholas-Wentzel
I do not believe this Henry is related as a descendent of Leonhart.
Possibly a cousin, brother, nephew or some other relative.
Tom Cagle
Saegertown, PA
=====================================
Tom & List,
Thanks for the information on this Henry Kegel.
I wonder if there are any census records that pertain to his son
Nicholas. Did they keep the Kegel name, or was it changed? There also
may be a ships list with his name.
Earl
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
This is a forwarded message because the original message size was to large
for rootsweb server's limits. I removed the attachments.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Cagle" <tomcagle(a)earthlink.net>
To: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>; <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel, JohnDutchman
Cagle] W...
> Attached is a copy (two pages of several pages) of Jacob Cagle's (b.1755)
> Revolutionary War Pension Application.
>
> 1) Jacob Cagle (b.1755) states in his application that he "was born on
or
> near to the headwaters of Deep River in the state of North Carolina
> in April 1755 "
> 2) This is John Cagle's (Johannes Kegel) homestead.
> 3) John G. Cagle, probably the most recognized Cagle Family expert, is on
> record that Jacob Cagle (b.1755) is one son of several children of John
> Cagle (Johannes Kegel). John G. Cagle in his publications cites Jacob
Cagle
> (b. 1755) as being a son of John Cagle (Johannes Kegel, Dutchman Cagle)
and
> Jacob Cagle (b.1755) as being the first Cagle born in North Carolina.
> 4) One can review the Jacob Cagle (b. 1766) as mentioned by David
Cagle's
> emails noted below by referring to John G. Cagle's research, in his
> publications, and in his "The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry".
John
> G. has discussed this issue and disagrees with David Cagle.
>
>
> Tom
>
> tomcagle(a)earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Cagle" <earl1947(a)webtv.net>
> To: <CAGLE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Requested Posting of John Cagle's [Johannes Kegel,
JohnDutchman
> Cagle] W...
>
>
> > David Cagle wrote :
> > =======================
> > I agree with Earl. I believe they are all children of John "Dutchman"
> > Cagle. I also believe that Jacob, son of John, was the one born in 1766
> > who went to GA. I have no proof, John G. Cagle listed family traditions
> > and associations with other Moore Co., NC families. There was a Thomas
> > Gilmore living in Moore Co., NC in 1800 which, however, doesn't prove
> > anything.. David
> > =====================================
> > David & List,
> > Thanks David, as your philosophy is the same as mine. I was unaware of
> > this Gilmore listing, of 1800 Moore; Co; NC. Thanks for including this
> > data. If John, was born abt. 1730 he may of fathered his first children
> > around 1750. By the time of his will in 1798 he I am sure had minor sons
> > and daughters, as well as of legal age. His daughters Elizabeth and
> > Mary, (if they were his daughters) would be old enough to mary, and be
> > mothers. Even if they were born in the late 1760's, or early 1770's.
> > Earl
> >
> >
> > http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
> >
> >
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>
Earl wrote:
The will of Henry Kegel, of 1784 Northampton Co; Pa; is the oldest I am
aware of. It was written in an old German dialect, and I understand is
hard to transcribe.
Earl and list,
I have a copy of the will of Henry Kegel of Northampton Co., PA dated 1789. With the help of Nancy Jane we were able to get a translation of this rather lengthy document. He had a wife Elizabeth, a daughter Elizabeth and a son Nicholas-Wentzel
I do not believe this Henry is related as a descendent of Leonhart. Possibly a cousin, brother, nephew or some other relative.
Tom Cagle
Saegertown, PA
The Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guilds is one of the best groups on the
internet. They have transcribed thousands of ship lists for our
research. I always check in once in awhile to see what's new. There are
a few new ship lists for Kegel, which may have changed to Cagle, or may
still be Kegel today. Either way I think they are an important part of
our research.
They now have the "Loyal Judith" transcribed online also.
Earl
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Immigrant Ships
Transcribers Guild
Brig Luna
Bremen, Germany to Baltimore, Maryland
14 November 1833
DISTRICT OF BALTIMORE - PORT OF BALTIMORE
There was no captain's sworn statement with this list.
Report and List of the Passengers taken on board the Brig Luna of Boston
whereof A. Halb?? is Master, 180 tons and 27/95ths of a ton, bound from
the Port of Bremen for Baltimore.
Columns represent: name, age, sex, occupation, country to which they
belong, country which they intend to inhabit.
======================================
23 Wilh. Kegel 46 man joiner Holzhausen ?
24 Elise. Marg. Kegel 54 woman Holzhausen ?
25 Wilh. Kegel 24 man joiner Holzhausen ?
26 Christ. Kegel 21 man joiner Holzhausen ?
27 Georg Heinr. Kegel 19 man joiner Holzhausen ?
======================================
Immigrant Ships
Transcribers Guild
Ship Louise Marie
Bremen, Germany to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
24 May 1855
DISTRICT OF PHILADELPHIA - PORT OF PHILADELPHIA
I, C. A. Wenke do solemnly, sincerely and truly swear that the Report or
Manifest, subscribed with my name, and now delivered by me to the
Collector of the District of (not filled in) contains, to the best of my
knowledge and belief, a just and true account of all the passengers
which were on board the Ship Louise Marie at the time of her sailing
from the port of Bremen or which have been taken on at any time since;
that I am at present, and have been during the voyage, master of the
said vessel. And I do likewise swear that all matters whatsoever in the
said Report or Manifest are, to the best of my knowledge and belief,
just and true. (Signed) C. A. Wenke. Sworn before me, this 24th day of
May 1855, (signed) (signature too light), COLLECTOR.
List or Manifest of all the Passengers taken on board the Ship Louise
Marie whereof C. A. Wenke is Master, from Bremen, burthen 246 Bremen
Last (Tons crossed out, Last written in), and owned by D. O. Stucken &
Son of Bremen and bound to Philadelphia.
Columns represent: name, age, country to which they belong, occupation.
======================================
34* Joh. D. Kegel 26 Thannenh?m taylor
======================================
Immigrant Ships
Transcribers Guild
SS Arago
Page 1 of 2
Southampton, England and Bremen, Germany to New York
June 12, 1857
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK - PORT OF NEW YORK
I, Henry B. Benson Master of the Steamer Arago do solemnly, sincerely,
and truly swear that the following List or Manifest, subscribed by me,
and now delivered by me to the Collector of the Customs of the
Collection District of New York, is a full and perfect list of all the
passengers taken on board of the said Steamer at Southampton and Bremen
from which port said Steamer has now arrived; and that on said list is
truly designated the age, the sex, and the occupation of each of said
passengers, the part of the vessel occupied by each during the passage,
the country to which each belongs, and also the country of which it is
intended by each to become an inhabitant; and that said List or Manifest
truly sets forth the number of said passengers who have died on said
voyage, and the names and ages of those who died. So help me God
(signed) H.B. Benson.
Sworn to this June 12, 1857 Before me H. C??????
List or Manifest of all the Passengers taken on board the Steamer Arago
whereof Benson is Master from Southampton and Bremen burthen (blank)
tons.
Columns represent*: Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Country to which they
severally belong.
=====================================
100 Armand Kegel 21 m farmer Neustadt
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
The will of Henry Kegel, of 1784 Northampton Co; Pa; is the oldest I am
aware of. It was written in an old German dialect, and I understand is
hard to transcribe. The will I would like to see is that of William
Cagle, 1805 Moore Co; Nc. His is shown listed in WB-A/259, and also a
Drewry Cagle, 1811 listed in WB-A/271. These would I am sure give us
some much needed clues. If anyone ever comes across a copy of their
wills please post them to our list.
Earl
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0JH.2ACEB/525.1.1
Message Board Post:
My grandfather was Houston Cagle and had a brother Frank Cagle. Houston lived in Jackson County, North Carolina and was buried in Haywood County, North Carolina. Died in the 70's.
David Cagle wrote :
=======================
I agree with Earl. I believe they are all children of John "Dutchman"
Cagle. I also believe that Jacob, son of John, was the one born in 1766
who went to GA. I have no proof, John G. Cagle listed family traditions
and associations with other Moore Co., NC families. There was a Thomas
Gilmore living in Moore Co., NC in 1800 which, however, doesn't prove
anything.. David
=====================================
David & List,
Thanks David, as your philosophy is the same as mine. I was unaware of
this Gilmore listing, of 1800 Moore; Co; NC. Thanks for including this
data. If John, was born abt. 1730 he may of fathered his first children
around 1750. By the time of his will in 1798 he I am sure had minor sons
and daughters, as well as of legal age. His daughters Elizabeth and
Mary, (if they were his daughters) would be old enough to mary, and be
mothers. Even if they were born in the late 1760's, or early 1770's.
Earl
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
Dana wrote :
----------------------
Earl & List:
I think it is the placement of the and (&) signs that causes confusion.
I have not seen the original but if the and sign is placed as
transcribed, it looks to me like Jacob was married to Elizabeth and
George to Mary. Just an opinion but would not commas would have been
used if these were four children of John?
Dana Meara
==============================
Dana & List,
You bring up a good point here. However, we still need more proof. If
she was his wife I do not think she would be named in John Cagle's will.
The same with Mary Melton, being the wife of George. He is giving
property and or money to Jacob Cagle, his son so why does he need to
mention the maiden name of his wife?
What he gives to Jacob, would be shared with his wife. If it was land or
other valuable property it would more than likley be left to Jacob's
wife, when he died.
On another note there was a James Melton, in the 1790 Moore Co; NC;
census. He may be a young married man as there is his listing, his wife,
and daughter.
Earl
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
Crossville Alabama Dekalb Co
her name is Nena Esther Cagle , her daddy was George Amos Cagle& Lillie Bell Naves Cagle
Gilbreath
Fred ( Pa Jake ) Esther ( Ma Et )
Dec. 28, 1902 Jan. 09, 1905
May 07, 1964 Dec. 08, 1982
Son, Ray C. Gilbreath b. Dec. 22, 1924 d. Nov. 18, 1987
Son, Charles Ray Gilbreath b. Aug. 12, 1955 d. Nov. 26, 1978
Nelson
Clifford L. Bertha M.
Dec. 27, 1916 Apr. 22, 1921
Aug. 22, 1970 Dec. 27, 1988
She was a Cagle daddy-- George Amos Cagle & Lillie Bell Naves Cagle
Dianna
Cagle List,
Just an observation, but it seems that the daughters are
listed as being heirs to the household furniture. I know that because there
are three daughters listed, that doesn't mean that there are only three
daughters. Just an idea.
Randall
" Also my daughters Susanna Cagle, Dorety Cagle, and Margaret Cagle shall
have the Horses Cattle Hogs and all the household furniture shall be divided
among them three Equally after my wife Cathrine Cagle's deceased By them
freely possed and enjoyed. I also give to my beloved Children Jacob Cagle &
Elizabeth Gilmore & George Cagle & Mary Melton and Henry Cagle Everyone of
them to have the sum of twenty shillings to be paid out of my Estate..."
Excerpt of will posted by Tom:
" . . . . I also give to my beloved Children Jacob Cagle & Elizabeth Gilmore
&> & Mary Melton and Henry Cagle Everyone of them to have the
> sum of twenty shillings to be paid out of my Estate & I do hereby utterly
> Disallow Revoke & disannul all and every other former testaments Wills &
> Legacies . . . ." =
Earl & List:
I think it is the placement of the and (&) signs that causes confusion. I
have not seen the original but if the and sign is placed as transcribed, it
looks to me like Jacob was married to Elizabeth and George to Mary. Just an
opinion but would not commas would have been used if these were four children
of John?
Dana Meara
Elaine, wrote seeking help on this query. I can't find much in a quick
search. Anyone have any data in your database for her?
Earl
=================================
Hi, Do you know anything about George Cagle 1777- 1851 Stanly Co. N.C.
wife: ?? who had a daughter Elizabeth Cagle who married Levi K.
Huneycutt no dates Stanly Co. N. C. Also the family of Rebecca Cagle who
married George Whitley . I have her parents as George and Rebecca Kegel.
Do any of these Cagles fit on the tree of your original Cagle who
arrived on the ship I think it was the Loyal Judith. Thank you for any
help. Elaine Crow edcrow(a)msn.com
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
Lee Cagle writes :
==================
Tom,
Good to hear from you again; however, I cannot agree with your
assumption regarding
Jacob Cagle, b. 1755. The "Will" actually verifies my point.
Please note: In the will, John Dutchman identifies his son, Jacob Cagle
with wife Elizabeth
Gilmore. Elizabeth Gilmore married Jacob Cagle, b. 1766, not Jacob Cagle
b. 1755.
Jacob Cagle, b. Apr 1755, married Lucy Unknown, whose first child was
another Jacob Cagle
born abt 1775.
Lee
===================================
Lee, Tom, & List,
I have to disagree with your assumption Lee, as I read his will to say
that Jacob Cagle, is a son and Elizabeth Gilmore, is a married daughter.
In an earlier part of the will he gives the names of his appearent
unmarried daughters. In the same paragraph he lists another daughter,
Mary Melton. My point is how do you know Elizabeth Gilmore, was the wife
of this Jacob Cagle. I would like to have other list members opinions on
this also.
Earl
http://community.webtv.net/earl1947/CagleGenealogical
The only Kimes whom I am aware of who married a Cagle is Charles Kimes:
Descendants of Charles Kimes
Generation No. 1
1. Charles1 Kimes was born 25 April 1896, and died September 1979 in
Alma, Crawford Co., AR. He married Manda Lou Cagle, daughter of Charles
Cagle and Mary Tilley. She was born 01 November 1895 in Indian Territory,
and died 11 May 1976 in Alma, Crawford Co., AR.
More About Charles Kimes:
Burial: September 1979, Oak Ridge Cem., Jethro, Franklin Co., AR
Notes for Manda Lou Cagle:
1900 Franklin County, Walker Township (June 1, 1900) 166/167
Cagle, Charles A. Head W M Feb 1845 M 5519 TN TN TN
Mary E wife W F Nov 1856 M 4319 9 7 AR TN AR
William D. Son W M Jan 1882 S 18 AR TN AR (William David)
John Son W M Dec 1886 S 13 " " " (John Franklin))
Linda E. Dau W F Mar 1888 S 12 (Molinda Ella)
Willis H. Son W M Feb 1890 S 10 (Willis Harrison)
Sarah L. Dau W F Mar 1892 S 8 (Sarah Vinia)
Amanda Dau W F Nov 1894 S 6 (Manda Lou)
Susie Dau W F Jan 1898 S 1 (Susan
Martha E Mother W F Jun 1817 WD 83 8 6 TN TN TN
Obits
News Paper unknown just have the obit.
Mrs Charlie Kimes
Mrs Manda Lou Kimes, 80, of Route 3, Alma, died Thuesday at 4 P.M., at
the Van Buren hospital . Daughter of the late Charles A. and Mary Tilley
Cagle, Mrs Kimes was born November 1, 1895, in Indian Territory.
Survivors include her husband, Charlie of Mulberry: three sons, Homer
Parrish of Attica, Ind., Henry Parrish of Route, 2, Ozark, and Joe
Parrish of Mulberry: four daughters, Mrs Myrtle Weathrall of Mulberry,
Mrs Mary Ruch of Fort Smith, Mrs. Thema Jean Frazier of Reedly, Calif.,
and Mrs. Sue McDonner of Mountianburg; a sister, Mrs. Vina Pierce of
GrandPrairie, Texas. 43 grandchildren, 55 great-grandchildren and one
great-great-grandchild. Funeral arrangements were by Greer Funeral Home.
Obits
Mrs. Manda Kimes
Ozark - Funeral Services for Mrs Manda Lou Kimes , 80, of Alma, who died
Thuesday, will be held at 2 P.M. today in Vine Prairie Baptist Church.
Buriel will be in Oak Ridge Cemetery by Greer Funeral.
More About Manda Lou Cagle:
Burial: 13 May 1976, Oak Ridge Cem., Jethro, Franklin Co., AR
Census 1: 1900, Franklin Co., TN w/parents at age 4 yrs.
Census 2: 1910, Franklin Co., AR w/parents at 15 yrs of age.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:20:36 -0500 (CDT) earl1947(a)webtv.net (Earl Cagle)
writes:
> Cindy Kimes writes,
> =================
> The researchers of the KEIMs families of Oley, PA and Guilford Co,
> NC
> have searched for data to support the idea that one (or more) of
> Johannes Keim's sons settled in North Carolina. We would deeply
> appreciate any information related to this; we've found nothing
> conclusive.
> Cindy Kimes
> KEIM list administrator
> =====================================
> Cindy & List,
> Nancy, can correct me if I am wrong but the data she posted is part
> of
> John G. Cagle's, work published in his Cagle Newsletters. Nancy,
> may
> have some sources to check to verify if his sons settled in NC.
> Anyone
> on the list have any leads?
> Earl Cagle
> Cagle List Administrator
>
>
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