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To add to the confusion of "Johns"
Below is a listing of John Cagle and household of the HAYWOOD
COUNTY N.C. 1840 Census.
Does anyone have any information on this "John", He falls in the
40-50 age bracket and if my memory
is correct is the only listed Cagle in the 1840 census of this
county.
CAGLE, John 2111001000000-1210001000000
11
Columns Left to right:Name of head of Household
# of Males
(0-5)(5-10)(10-15)(15-20)(20-30)(30-40)(40-50)(50-60)(60-70)(70-80)(80-9
0)(90-100)(100+)
# of
Females(0-5)(5-10)(10-15)(15-20)(20-30)(30-40)(40-50)(50-60)(60-70)(70-8
0)(80-90)(90-100)(100+)
# of Slaves or Free Persons of Color...........Total number of
persons in this Household.
I have the following marriage record info on William Cagle in
Haywood County. Is this the son of John? He would certainly fit into
the 15-20 age bracket of the above 1840 Census.
02-08-1848 William Cagle and Ersena Moore County, Haywood
NC,James Collwell,W. Brown JP/Minister
The unconfirmed info I have on this William B. Cagle says he was
born in Burke County NC in 1829
The 1850 Haywood NC Census shows
#952 William Cagle 21 b. NC
Cina M. 16 b. NC
Harvy S. 8m. b. NC
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Subject: William C. Cagle, Sr.
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Hi!! Maxine: Small world I wonder if the C. could stand for Crawford as my
greatgrand pa is William Crawford Cagle. hope you can read this.
So glad to get the part about your George Cagle is this date correct for
George born abt 1812 & died June 3, 1883 prob. Moore County, NC m. August 2,
1829, to Mary Latham Blount County, TN. It's been so long since I did this.
I got my information from the John G. Cagle Journal. The part about William
Sr. and his wife Mary or Polly being buried in the Ellajoy Cemetery. they
were recorded in the 1850 census for Sevier County, TN, they lived near this
cemetery and was at the time the only cemetery for miles around and it would
make sense they are buried there. I did have some notes where another lady
years ago worked on this. Mr. John G. Cagle sent this stuff to me off hand I
can't remember what her name was. She described the two counties Blount and
Sevier joined and this Ellajoy Creek divided the counties. Mr. Cagle Journal
p. 4 February 1989 spoke of most all Cagles were born there.
Now my next generation is a tough one William C. Cagle, Jr. married a Sarah
Bruer/Brewer I am not positive about this date for him 1790-1840 Moore
County, NC, like I said it's been a while since I done this. He died 1840s
and before 1850 as Sarah is a widow in 1850 census Sevier County, TN, age 60
with two daughters Rebecca age 16 and Melinda age 15, Sarah continued to pay
Taxes until 1872.
My next Generation is William Cagle, 3rd born abt. 1802 Moore County, NC,
m. Mary "Polly" she appeared to be younger 1810, he was 48 in 1850 Sevier
County, TN, and age 56 for 1860 Bradley County, TN, he died with
complication fall of 1863 at a hospital in Meridian, MS, he entered the
Civil War at about age 60 as a substitute for R.C Bates. William Cagle
Private, Co. "A" 62nd TN, Mounted Inf. Enlisted Sept. 20 1862 she was
allowed a pension by 1866 prob. Bradley County, TN as this is where Polly
lived. I don't have a copy of this pension I took my reference from Mr.
Cagles Journal.
Their children were: Or thought to be
1.Andrew Jasper Cagle born Sept. 1833 Sevier County, TN
2. Henry Marion Cagle, born August 16, 1835 Sevier County, TN, m. June 19,
1856, Sevier County, TN, to Jane Elizabeth Lloyd
3. Elvira Cagle, born abt 1839 prob. Sevier County, TN
4. Rufus Cagle born abt 1842 Sevier County, TN he was a Pvt. Co. "G" 10th TN
Cav. he was 21 years old Enlisted at Knoxville, December 8, 1863, died of
disease in hospital Nashville, TN, May 7, 1865 age 22 he was from Bradley
but lived at Charleston his mother was Polly (Small Pox)
5. Sarah Cagle, born abt. 1844 prob. Sevier County, TN
6. John Cagle, born abr. 1859 prob. Sevier County, TN
Polly Cagle was in 1880 Blount County, TN, age 80 Mr. Cagle seem to think it
should be 70 dau. Elvira age 35 living with her w/children last name More.
Henry Marion Cagle, m. Jane Elizabeth Lloyd is my next generation
they had:
1. Florence Cagle, born abt 1857 Bradley county, TN
2. Arthur Columbus Cagle, born June 7, 1859 Bradley County, TN
3. William Crawford Cagle, born January 22, 1861 Bradley county, TN my
ggrand pa m. October 13 1881 Johnson County, TN to Margaret Jane Qualls, he
died July 26, 1953, Franklin County, AR.
4. Mary Cagle, born abt 1864 Bradley County, TN
5. Rufus Jackson Cagle, born December 25, 1867 Bradley County, TN
6. Thomas Grant Cagle, born October 18, 1869 Monroe County, TN
7. Wylie Harrison Cagle, born January 25, 1872, Moore County, TN
3. William Crawford [7] Cagle, 4th m. Margaret Jane Qualls
My [8] Cagle generation in USA
Arniel Lavere Cagle, born December 21, 1889 Johnson County, AR he married
Louisia Belt, July 4, 1909 Franklin County, AR
My [9] generation in USA
Rebeth Cagle, born December 21, 1914, Franklin County, AR she married my
dad Robert Lee Waldron, August 24, 1931, El Reno. OK, they moved back to
Ozark, Franklin County, AR
10 generation in USA
LaMona Joyce Waldron, born January 7, 1936, Ozark, Franklin County, AR m.
August 29, 1953, McFarland, Kern County, CA, to Bob Ewing Phillips born
March 12, 1934, Sallisaw, Sequoyah County, OK, the son of John
Buford Phillips, and Maggie Leam Littlejohn. We have two children
Deborah Kay [11] Phillips, born February 1, 1964, Bakersfield, kern County,
CA
Bob Ewing [11] Phillips, born 10 June, 1966, Edwards, Kern County, CA.
I have 3 grandchildren Deanna Lee Morelock
Abagail Jordan Phillips
Aaron Samuel Phillips
And one on the way [11]Phillips.
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Betty King wrote:
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Earl,
Thank you for the information. As I have said before, there seems to be
an older John Cagle on the Tax list for 1814 in Lawrence Co., MS. He had
3 males 10-16; 1 male over 45; 1 female 0-10; 1 female 10-16; 2 females
16-18; 1 female over 45. There is a John Cagle in Lawrence Co., on the
1815 tax list paying .66 taxes on the Pearl River.
On the 1818 Tax roll of John Cagle there is one male over 70. Code: 1.
Births of white; 2. Death; 3; 4. males over 70 - 1; 5. births of slaves;
6. death of slaves; only one category is marked and that is 4. Of
course, there is the chance that this was not the older John of the 1814
tax list over 45. It could have been someone else by another name.
On the 1818 tax roll again there is a younger John Cagle on Little
Bahala, males over 21-1; males under 21-4; 0 slaves; females over 21-1;
under 21-1. I believe this is younger John with wife Percilla as they
had one girl and 5 boys by 1820.
________________________
Betty,
You have done a fine job of researching these John
Cagle's, of MS. Just when you think your getting a
handle on these, Cagles.
This shows for sure there were two John's, in these
records. If this older John Cagle, was over 70 in
1818, his birth would be abt. 1745.
This would place him in the era of, Leonard born 1730's. Leonhart Kegel,
was b. abt. 1684 making
him abt. 60, when this John was born.
These men if census records are acurate, in some
cases fathered children at 70 or so.
Depending how much over the age of 70 John was,
could place his birth even at abt. 1739-1742.
Betty, iam not sure who this John's father was. So
you or the list can help me out.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
Hello List,
Here is a listing I have for a, John Cagle.
1820 Lawrence Co; MS Federal Census
Males Females
Cagle, John 500010 010100
This shows 5 males, in the 0-10 yr. age bracket.
John, is shown in the 26-44 age bracket.
Making his birth, 1776-1794.
Next there is 1 female, in the 10-15 age bracket.
Then his wife, in the 16-25 age bracket.
Now according to John G. Cagle's data in a May
1996 Newsletter p.4, this would be a son of,
Leonard Cagle b.1730's.
However If these are the same John Cagle's, he
has him settling in Mississippi, in 1823.
He finds John, on a deed to purchase livestock
on Oct. 6, 1823, Amite Co; MS.
This places John Cagle, with family in 1820.
This is as a word of caution to those on this list.
If this John Cagle, is your ancestor check all of
the avaliable records. Above all else, don't assume
anything. Always broaden your research, so as to
not miss anything. These Cagle's, migrated from
one state to another, and one county to another.
They moved around for various reasons. The main
thing to remember is they did re-locate alot.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
Phill Cagle wrote:
_________________
Sorry Folks,
I wrote in the wrong name, I'm not looking for a Leonard Cagle, I'm
looking for an Abraham Cagle who lived in Lead Hill Arkansas in 1906.He
applied for the Guion Miller Roll for the Cherokee Tribe and I think he
would be the uncle to my Great Grandfather Andrew Jackson Cagle and the
Brother of John David Cagle, Andrews father. Phil Cagle
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Phill,
In case you havent seen this record, I copied it for
you. This is from rootswebs online pre 1908, land
records.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
_______________________
Last name First name Init County Sec Twp Rng Acres
---Date--- Warrant Name and/or Remarks CAGLE ABRAHAM J Boone
18 21N 18W 0 1888/12/27 CAGLE ABRAHAM J Boone 18
21N 18W 119.6 1888/12/27
Earl,
Thank you for the information. As I have said before, there seems to be an
older John Cagle on the Tax list for 1814 in Lawrence Co., MS. He had 3 males
10-16; 1 male over 45; 1 female 0-10; 1 female 10-16; 2 females 16-18; 1
female over 45. There is a John Cagle in Lawrence Co., on the 1815 tax list
paying .66 taxes on the Pearl River.
On the 1818 Tax roll of John Cagle there is one male over 70. Code: 1.
Births of white; 2. Death; 3; 4. males over 70 - 1; 5. births of slaves; 6.
death of slaves; only one category is marked and that is 4. Of course, there
is the chance that this was not the older John of the 1814 tax list over 45.
It could have been someone else by another name.
On the 1818 tax roll again there is a younger John Cagle on Little Bahala,
males over 21-1; males under 21-4; 0 slaves; females over 21-1; under 21-1. I
believe this is younger John with wife Percilla as they had one girl and 5
boys by 1820.
Tax year 1820 (1820 census made from this list) John Cagle 5 males under 10;
1 male 26-45; this would make John born somewhere around 1775 - 1794. One
female 10-16; one female 16-26. We know Percilla was born abt 1786 as her
stone says 15 Sept 1868, 82 years, wife of John Cagle. On the 1820 census she
would have been close to the breakover point of 45. Her birthdate was in Sept
and the census was usually taken in June, July and August and sometime into
September. She would have been 46 in September, 1820.
On the 1830 census John Cagle has two males under 10, which the 1850 census
shows Eli was born abt 1823 and there evidently was another male born about
1821, if going by every two years after weaning. The 1830 also shows five
males 10-20; one male 40-60; only one female - 40-60. Did the daughter
marry or die?
The John of the 1814 census would have had sons born between 1788 and 1803.
Henry Cagle, son of John and Percilla was born 13 August, 1807. This John
could not have been his father. I don't know who this older John belonged to.
Is he the same older John of the 1818 census showing a male over 70? Could
this older John have been the father of young John? It is said that Leonard
Cagle, son of Leonhart had Charles of Hickman Co., TN and John, Roger, William
of MS.
In 1835 tax list of Lawrence Co., MS Priscilla Cagle paid .43 taxes on 172
acres of land. John had died. Was this land the land John Cagle claimed for
being in the war of 1812? (Nixon's) Mississippi?
Lawrence Co., MS was created from Marion in 1814. Marion was created from
Amite, Wayne, Franklin in 1811. These counties go back to Adams which was
formed in 1799 from Natchez District.
Henry Cagle says he was born in NC so this Cagle bunch left after 1807. They
were on their way between 1807 and 1814.
I have an e.mail from a lady that says Leonard, son of Leonhart had a son
Robert. That makes Charles, Robert, John, William and Roger. We don't know
how many females Leonard had. We don't know when Leonard died? Just that he
was born about 1730. Would have married about 20-25 making him first
producing offspring about 1750-1755. If he had ten children, say, the last
of them would have been born about 1780, if he had only the one wife.
Betty King
Mustang, OK
Hello to all my Cagle cousins.
My apologies for not being right in te middle of this discussion daily.
Most of you have had email communication with me over the months past.
Due to severe problems regarding my wife's health, as well as my own
handicaps, I have had little time lately for active research. I have,
however, been actively going back through my hundreds of documents, notes,
and other records I have accumulated during the last two years in Cagle
research. As I am legally blind this itself is somewhat of a chore.
I am taking each individual, from my ggggrandfather Leonard of Haralson
County, Ga.,back to Leonhart, and dwelling on that one subject until I
either have documentation, or other dependable resource proof, such as
census, etc. I want to be satisfied each entry is completely correct before
starting on another.
At the moment, Leonard is as far back as I can accept as correct. Even
he, is somewhat ambiguous, as there were two of the same name and area in
that time frame. I just felt it better done to work from myself backwards,
rather than from Leonhart forward.
This will consume much of the next few weeks as I have well over four
hundred Cagle names as entries on my gedcom database.
All the foregoing said and done, let me assure you I am keeping abreast
of the daily happenings in the forum and entries from each of you.
I am subscribing to the digest mode, and copying each to disk for review
when I have time. I have found some interesting entries which I will reply
to in due course. In the interim, each of you is welcome to examine my
database at the Gathering Place, and email me for any entry I have entered
that you question. The url for the Gathering Place, for any who don't have
it, is my signature at the bottom of this letter.
You are all doing a great job, wish I could spend more time online with you.
Your Cagle cousin, Doyle Chambers,
Arab, Marshall County, AL, June '32
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7886 Family site
http://www.my-ged.com/sterkkn Gendex site
Sorry Folks,
I wrote in the wrong name, I'm not looking for a Leonard Cagle, I'm
looking for an Abraham Cagle who lived in Lead Hill Arkansas in 1906.He
applied for the Guion Miller Roll for the Cherokee Tribe and I think he
would be the uncle to my Great Grandfather Andrew Jackson Cagle and the
Brother of John David Cagle, Andrews father.
Phil Cagle
This is for Terrye Lambert.
Terry can you tell me wher in GA your Cagle's were? I am looking for a
Tabitha Ann(Nancy)Cagle b:1822 in SC/GA . She married Reuben Tucker Hill
b: 1818 in SC/GA.
Thanks in advance,
Mollie Charles Pawlik
Texas
Terrye wrote :
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Don't know if any of this helps, but thought it might be of interest to
someone out there.
Just joined the list recently, & have enjoyed it by far
as the best I belong to. I am descended from Susan Cagle & David Tucker
of Independence County, Arkansas. Susan was the daughter of Zachariah
Cagle & Mary Polly Jackson of Georgia.
Terrye Jones Lambert
______________________
Terrye & List
I am very happy to have you on the Cagle list.
Thank you also for the nice compliment.
Terrye, any information you find is very valuable.
Please also send your Cagle generations, to the
list. Post what you have and we all will try to help.
Thanks for joining, and keep up the great work.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
P.S. Looking for a volunteer to keep tabs of those
special dates. So if you want to post your birthday
& anniversary dates, please do. Then if I can coral
someone to keep track of them:)
Earl
Tom Cagle wrote:
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The Billander Townshead was qualified Oct. 5, 1737 in Philadelphia. In
your e-mail on Cagle-Waggoner you made reference to Leonhart purchasing
land in
1737. Here is a web site that has him purchasing the land on October 11,
______________________
Tom & List,
On Jason Cagle's website, he uses the word
"owned". To me this says he owned this land on
October 11, 1737.
There is a difference here in already owning a
tract of land, or him purchasing it on that date.
As to a six day period, this deal if it was a purchase
could have been pre-exisiting.
No different than a deal on land today. I come to
you to buy your land and pay you an agreed upon
deposit to hold.
The agreement either verbal or in writting, says I
will return in "x" amount of time to close.
Then if I miss the deadline, then you keep my
deposit. However I too, would like to see verifacation of this sale, or
proof of ownership of
said date.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
John and List,
Good Map link. I was able to locate all the towns where we have located
Kegels from the 1500's and 1600's and they are all within about 100 miles or
less from Mehlingen. I think those Kegels are a good possibility for
relatives of Leonhart.
John, as per your request, I'll pass your e-mail address along to that web
site owner and ask him to contact you.
Tom
David Cagle wrote:
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Henry, Sr. supposedly is one of the sons of David Cagle, b. 1728 Ger. In
1820, he probably lived in Montgomery Co. NC, and was shown on the 1830
census of Montgomery. Henry Sr. appeared on the 1833 Tax List of
Hardin Co., TN. He was gone from Hardin Co. before 1836, to where, I
don't know.
David
Savannah, TN
Hardin County
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David & List,
So in effect David Cagle b.1728, was honoring his
brother Henry Cagle Sr. b. 1730's, by naming his
son after him.
Part of the problem is that Senior & Junior, weren't
used like they are today.
My full name is Earl David Cagle Sr. My oldest son
is, Earl David Cagle Jr.
They viewed naming patterns in a different way in
some cases. This changed at my grandfather.
My grandfather's full name:
Marquis DeLafayette Cagle Sr.
My dad was Junior
My brother is the 3rd.
His son is the 4th.
They all went by a short version of, Mark D.Cagle.
Earl Cagle
Bowlng Green, Mo.
February 1947
Hi LaMona,
I, too, am descended from William C. Cagle and Mary Barrett. It is
interesting to hear that they may buried at Ellajoy Baptist Church in Blount
County, TN. Ellajoy is less than five mlies from where their grand
daughter, Elizabeth and her husband William Reagan lived. They are buried at
a neighboring church in Sevier County. I was in the Ellajoy Cemetery
recently. Didn't know to look or ask questions.
I grew up in Knoxville. We visited relatives in Sevier often. I plan to
make at least one trip there this spring - possibly April.
I have pictures of the grave markers of William and Elizabeth Reagan, and
their daughter Maria Drinnen (my grandmother) and the Ellajoy church.
My line from William C. Cagle Sr and Mary Barrett is:
George Cagle and Mary Latham
Elizabeth Cagle (b. 13 Feb. 1830, d. 17 June 1894,
in Sevier Co.,TN) and Wm. Reagan (b.7 Apr. 1830, Sevier Co; d.20
Feb.1895)
Maria Reagan (b.10 Oct. 1864, Sevier; d. 5 Apr. 1921.)
and Aaron Patton Drinnen (b. 2 Feb 1853 in Macon Co.,NC
d. 3 Dec. 1929, Sevier Co.)
Bruce Hensley Drinnen (b 3 Dec.1898, Sevier; d. 5
Dec.1995;Knox Co.TN
and Bertha Edington(b. 10 Sept. 1901, Knox Co; d. 8 May
1996
in Knoxville, TN.)
Maxine Drinnen and Hosmer L. Chesser
I am interested in receiving your line from William C. Cagle.
Maxine
Tucker, Ga
Below is the URL for an outstanding program that is a front-end for a
European version of MapQuest. It is outstanding for finding almost any pig
path (pardon the Southernese!) or shtetl in Europe. Check it out.
John
http://www1.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm
Earl,
For what its worth department,
My Grandfather and Great Grandfather who were not Cagels but have some
German connection it would seem as both went by their middle name
Adolphus in some form.
Dr. Bob!
Earl Cagle wrote:
> John wrote:
> ______________
> I'm told that German males with two given names usually went by their
> 2nd name.
> ________________________
> John & List,
> This is an interesting topic about given names.
> As most of you are aware, naming patterns were
> also used. My full name is Earl David Cagle Sr.
> Up until the 6th. grade I went by, David.
> Earl Cagle
> Bowling Green, Mo.
> February 1947
>
> ==== CAGLE Mailing List ====
>
> Cagle Family Genealogy Forum
> http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/cagle/
John wrote:
______________
I'm told that German males with two given names usually went by their
2nd name.
________________________
John & List,
This is an interesting topic about given names.
As most of you are aware, naming patterns were
also used. My full name is Earl David Cagle Sr.
Up until the 6th. grade I went by, David.
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
Earl,
The Billander Townshead was qualified Oct. 5, 1737 in Philadelphia. In your
e-mail on Cagle-Waggoner you made reference to Leonhart purchasing land in
1737. Here is a web site that has him purchasing the land on October 11,
1737. Click on the descendents of Leonhart link
http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/wjcagle/cagle.htm
I do not know where this specific date came from and was hoping someone on
the list might know or that the web site owner Jason may be a member of this
list and be able to help us out. If he is not a list member I will write to
him and see if he has a source for the date.
As I said yesterday if he was on the Billander Townshead I can't see how he
could have purchased land in Berks Co within 6 days.
Tom
Saegertown,PA
Phil Cagle wrote:
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Is anyone doing any research on a Leonard Cagle who lived in Lead hill
Arkansas around 1906, whose wife was named Mary Ann and whose childrens
names were
Sealy
Martha
Leis (Could not understand the
writing on some of these)
Will
Ell
Henry
Tennasee
I think he was the brother of my GG Grandfather. Leonard would have been
born around 1844 or 1845 in Warren Ct. Tenn. If anyone can share info, I
have some to share. Thanks!
Phil Cagle
____________________
Phil, The only two Leonard Cagle's matching your
date of birth are:
1850 Tennessee Census Index
Cagle, John 66, Zana H. 35, John H. 17,
James H. 14, William T. 12, Delila A. 10,
George W. 8, Sarah A. 7, Mary L.J. 3,
Leonard T. 5, Charles M. 11/12 NC NC
Carrol County 1983-297
Cagle, Henry 70, Mary 40, Elizabeth 23, William 18,
Henry 16, Robert H. 15, Thomas 12, Emaline 6,
Leonard 6, Margaret A. 1, NC NC
Decatur County 40-110
Earl Cagle
Bowling Green, Mo.
February 1947
Just did a search engine search at the National Archives NAIL engine
on the keyword Cagle.
Here are the results, in case someone is interested!
Bureau of Indian Enrollment of:
John Cagle circa 1898-circa 1914
Mary Cagle same dates
Bureau of Indian Affairs
Citizenship Application for Rosa Cagle, 1896-97
Tennessee Valley Authority Photos
Home of Newt Cagle, Rockwood, Tennessee, 1940
Home of Sam Cagle, ditto
Home of Arthur Cagle, ditto
Home of John Cagle, ditto
U.S. District Court, Western Division of Arkansas, Fort Smith
Division
Criminal Defendant Case -
Elijah, 1886 - contempt
James, 1877 - larceny
1884 - murder
Jeff, 1885 - murder
1885 - murder
John, 1885 - assault
1890 - murder
William, 1890 - liquor
Don't know if any of this helps, but thought it might be of interest to
someone out there.
Just joined the list recently, & have enjoyed it by far as the best
I belong to. I am descended from Susan Cagle & David Tucker of
Independence County, Arkansas. Susan was the daughter of Zachariah
Cagle & Mary Polly Jackson of Georgia.
Terrye Jones Lambert
tbjl(a)swbell.net
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