I tried looking backwards from dates I think are pretty well established:
Let's call David 1730 or 50 David 1
His son Jesse - Jesse 1
Now, Jesse 1 son's David was born in 1776
another son Hughes born 1786. (from The Disciples of Christ History by
Haynes) - an account of the Old Union Church in DeWitt County Illinois.
All the dates for the children of Jesse 1 would make the 1773 birth date
for Jesse 1 rather impossible. So, I am going back to my original birth
dates for David ( 1730) and Jesse (1750)
Also Jesse married Hannah Perkins in 1773, Goochland County VA.
All the rest of the dates fall into line after that.
David 1 1730
Jesse 1 1750
David 2 1776 (looks like Jesse started somewhat early)
Jesse Jr. 1782
Hughes 1 1786
Jesse Payne 2 1827 (named after his
mother's maiden name)
(more children further down)
Also from: "A Partial Biography of the Bowles Family by Joseph M. Bowles"
(b. 1872) of Petaluma CA in 1895 says:
"My grandfather Jesse Bowles married Hannah Perkins and to them were born
ten children...(names all children)
...my father Jesse Bowles Jr. ( 5th child) was born near Richmond VA in
so another positive date clue that Jesse 1 could NOT have been born in 1773
- since that would have made him 9 years old when his son Jesse Jr. was
The Bowles Biography by Josephy M. Bowles is very complete for what we have
and we also have excerpts from "Portrait and Biographical Album of Sedgwick
County Kansas pg 587"
which states: "Mr. Bowles ( Jesse P.) ... first opened his eyes to the
light in Bourbon County on the 13th of June 1827."
ACK!! There are so many Jesse's and David's! I have seven Jesse's not
including those with Jesse as a middle name.
JESSE BORN 3/3/1773 I believe all records show he was
1st born [living] child of David & Sarah [Hughes] if
David was born in 1730 and Jesse 1773 would that not
be a little late to have a FIRST born child at age 43
so now the 1750 "LOOKS" better. AHHHHHH
Yep, exactly - 1750 for Jesse absolutely works - totally logically. He
simply wasn't having children at 9 years old.
ARE COPIES OF THESE BOOKS AVAILABLE?? I have not seen
anything in writing only what's been typed up on the
list? I have found the even if the books are wrong if
you pull in new material it can help .
I found the Farquahar book at the Geneaology Library in San Francisco - on
What I call the "Little Yellow Book" is the "History and Record of the
Bowles Family...Originating in England prior to the Revolutionary War" by
David Bowles in 1902 was published by Press of the Emden News, Emden
I have a copy of it from my grandmother.
In his preface David states that Part I was obtained by persistant efforts
...and that parts II, III, IV and V are know to be absolutely correct in
every detail the history having been taken directly from the family records.
Part I is where he really does have the errors.
Davis Bowles [I believe this should be David] will
10/2/1823 probated 1823 listed wife Elizabeth, sons
Thomas M and Benjamin, daughter Harriett Payne
Harriet Bowles Payne - married to Francis Payne brother to Elizabeth Payne,
mother to Jesse Payne (2)
Back to the AGE OF David from previous email Jesseís
David born 1776 he was 47 when he died here is his
1810 census so from my earlier email I would say I was
close to what may have been the ages for Davidís other
Here is what I have for children of David 2
Thomas Martin 1798
Benjamin Perkins 1800
Dabney A 1801
Mourning (#2) 1812
I have their spouses names if anyone is interested.
1810 Census Bourbon County
David 26/45 wife 26/45 page 75
Sons 4 under 10 1, 16/26 Daughters 1 under 10
NOTE: Male listed 16/26 is not a son they were only
married 13 years in 1810.
Jesse 1 children
Joseph (Killed by Indians at the battle of River Raisin after the
surrender of the Kentucky
British forces in 1813)