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It is a death benefits index, rather than a Social Security Index. The only
people in it are those with social security numbers on whom someone claimed
death benefits. Also, though I am sure my Aunt claimed my grandfather's
death benefits, and though some railroad records are on the index, my
grandfather is not on it either. I guess they missed some.
in Sunny California
(we're finally having summer)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Soc Sec
> My parents had social security cards and they are not in it. I wonder why?
I'm glad for that info, Pam. Can't remember where I read it was in first
names only - but like the old adage, there are exceptions to every rule. I
guess the best bet is to check under any given names, and/or derivatives of
a name, as is Ed, Edwin, Edward, etc. Sometimes a good imagination helps,
when the initial try with what is thought to be the logical name, is
Bonnie Johnson @ Wichita, Ks
> From: Pam Mascher <peaches1(a)ipa.net>
> To: Bonnie L Johnson <bonniej(a)southwind.net>; BOWLES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Social Security Index
> Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 6:08 PM
> Just a note to you, My mother had her card issued in her middle name. Her
> name was Mildred Earldine Key. It was issued to Earldine M. Key So it is
> possible to have it issued in a middle name.
A lot of folks have asked me: When was the Social Security
started? Is everyone be in it? Why isn't my dad in it? And like
I don't know much about Social Security, but I have kept a
file on questions and answers about it that I've seen on other lists,
in case I ever got stuck...such as now.
Maybe the following will help you, or at least give you the
clues that will lead you to the help you need.
If you the zip code where the benefits were last sent and you
don't know where that zip code is, this URL will give you the town's
name for the zip code:
There are several reasons why a person who is deceased may
not be found in
SSDI (Social Security Death Index).
1. If the person had never been enrolled under social
security and had no
social security number.
2. If the person died before he/she started collecting social security
3. If the person's death was not reported to the Social Secuity
Administration so they had no record of it.
4. If the person's name was changed, misspelled, etc., so
that the name
you are looking for is not the name under which he/she was registered with
the Social Security Administration.
There are other possible reasons, but 2 and 3 above are
probably the most
common. Some people don't realize that the SDDI is a list of those persons
who died while collecting social security benefits, and their death was
reported to the Social Security Administration (which is required but
doesn't always happen). And the address given in the SDDI is not where
that person lived, but is the address that the final social security check
was sent to. It may be the same, but often is not. Very often the
person will go to live with a son or daughter during the last year of
life, and perhaps you had never heard of that particular offspring,
or didn't know where they lived. Or they will go to a nursing home.
Just a note to you, My mother had her card issued in her middle name. Her
name was Mildred Earldine Key. It was issued to Earldine M. Key So it is
possible to have it issued in a middle name.
From: Bonnie L Johnson <bonniej(a)southwind.net>
To: BOWLES-L(a)rootsweb.com <BOWLES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: September 30, 1999 6:02 PM
Subject: Social Security Index
>The Social Security Act was passed in 1935. The Railroad had their own,
>and it started much earlier, and some of those are included in the over-all
>records. Self-employed persons (farmers, business owners, etc) were not
>covered until later - I think perhaps mid 50s. Unemployed persons did not
>automatically get SS numbers like now. So a lot of women that did not
>work, did not have SS #. Was it the 60s when children got theirs almost as
>soon as they were born? They are issued in the FIRST name - not middle
>name, not nickname.
>Just some observations that might help. Bonnie Johnson @ Wichita, Ks
The Social Security Act was passed in 1935. The Railroad had their own,
and it started much earlier, and some of those are included in the over-all
records. Self-employed persons (farmers, business owners, etc) were not
covered until later - I think perhaps mid 50s. Unemployed persons did not
automatically get SS numbers like now. So a lot of women that did not
work, did not have SS #. Was it the 60s when children got theirs almost as
soon as they were born? They are issued in the FIRST name - not middle
name, not nickname.
Just some observations that might help. Bonnie Johnson @ Wichita, Ks
While we are on this subject, why would someone want to lie about
their age when applying for a SSN? I notice that one of my relatives,
born in the late 1800's, lied and said that they were only 39, when
they were actually 52, on their SSN application. Did it have to do
From: Ellen Byrne [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:29 PM
Subject: Soc Sec
Linne-thanks for the info re Soc Sec...about the only ones I have ever
my parents--what year do you think a person had to be born to have a
It didnt start until 193???
If any of you have parents, grandparents, great aunts and
uncles, cousins---whoever---who have died and who you suspect may
have had Social Security cards issued to them, don't miss this
RootsWeb has set up a Web site where you can search for their
names, Social Security numbers, last city and town where the check
was sent to, and the state where the card was originally applied for.
RootsWeb makes it easy for you to print out a form letter
asking for a photocopy of those original application records. If you
know the Social Security number when you order them, the price is
$7.00. If you don't, the price is $16.50.
RootsWeb also makes it easy to leave a note at the site where
you find the notation of your ancestor's record. You can say, for
example, how this person was related to you, and what kinds of
records on the family that you're willing to share, and link that to
your Web page or your e-mail address.
I've just spent the last two hours searching for various
relatives' records, and have printed out 13 requests for their
Social Security applications.
When you go to this site be willing to be creative about what
your relatives or ancestors may have called themselves when they
applied for their Social Security card. They may have applied by
their middle names, rather than their first names, or by a more
Americanized name than their birth name, or by the nickname that
everyone in the family called them. Try everything you can think of
before you give up!
Then if you find a Boles/Boales/Bowles etc., come back and
tell us what you found!
Could any one tell me whether the John in this Bowles family could be John
Bartley Bowles everyone is looking for? I am a descendant from Amey D. Bowles
and George Huff. I would like anyone who thinks they could be related to this
family to share their info so maybe we could solve this mystery
William Huff that married Sarah Gunn was born abt. 1745 in Va. and died in
Hancock Co., Ga. in 1806.
The Will of William Gunn, proved 1/22/1798, provided for:
(a) To daughter, Sarah Huff; (Sarah Gunn)
(b) To James Huff, six shillings;
(c) To Stephen Moseley, six shillings;
(d) To son, George Gunn;
(e) To son, Radford Gunn, balance of estate.
James Huff was William's brother and we believe he was also married to a
daughter of William Gunn. James was born in 1754 in Brunswick Co., Va. From a
gift of a slave to the children of James Huff from Radford Gunn and at the
same time gave a slave to his brother-in-law William Huff.
On 1/28/1799 in a Deed of Gift recorded in Brunswick Co., Va. Radford Gunn,
the brother of Sarah Gunn Huff, gave to my brother-in-law, William Huff, Sr.
a slave girl, "ALSE" and George Huff was one of the witnesses.
William Huff was listed in 1800 in Captain Shearin's District of Warren Co.,
N.C. with a large number of people including the family of George Huff.
William Huff moved his family along with other HUFF's of Brunswick Co., Va.
to Hancock Co., Ga. where he showed up in the 1802 Tax Records.
We strongly believe that William was married twice with his first wife being
the mother of George and Frances Huff. Then William married #2 Sarah Gunn who
was the mother of Daniel, Thomas and James. George and Frances could read and
write and were called upon often to be witnesses to deeds and other
transaction involving the William Huff family, while the other siblings could
not read and write and signed with an "X".
James and William's brother Daniel's daughter Milly Huff married Isaac
Thompson Bowles on Dec. 22, 1792 (This is Amey D. Bowles brother). Amey D.
Bowles and George Huff marriage Bond was located in the Clerk's office,
Courthouse, Warrenton, N.C. While a portion of the date was left unrecorded
on the marriage bond (179_), it can be reasonable computed by the birth dates
of their known children as 1790.
We do not know Amey's father but mother's identity was clearly established by
her Mother's Will. Elizabeth Bowles, as a resident of Brunswick Co. made her
Will dated 5 Dec. 1814 and it was probated in the Brunswick Co. Court May 22,
1815, and was of record in the Clerks Office of this county. This Will was
witnessed by Harrison Barner and Sarah Huff, widow of Lundy Huff. Willie
Harrison was appointed Executor and William Huff signed a $1,000.00 Bond on
his behalf. This Will provided that her estate be equally divided amongst all
her children, to wit: Isaac Bowles, John Bowles, David Bowles, Amy Huff, and
one part to the living children of William Fogg, dcd., and one part to the
children of Elizabeth Brown.
One more thing I would like to add is that:
In the Virginia Public Claims, Brunswick Co., 1781/1783, pg. 10 (Rev. War):
Elizabeth Huff contributed 550 pounds of beef, for which she was paid 5
pounds, 14 shillings and 7 pence. Mary Huff, Daniel Huff and James Huff, also
contributed, as well as neighbors, William Gunn, Edward Birchet, Henry
Birchet, Isaac Mosely, Samuel Mosely, Daniel Holloway, Jesse Holloway, John
Dupre, et al.
The Birchets are also my Ancestors. I hope all this helps in maybe proving
atleast John Bartley Bowles is my John Bowles and the relationship of the
Gunns. Let me know what you think and if you can add to this.
Someone sent me this obituary today...they won't have any
more information than what's here.
When I went to our Counties Project, I saw that we don't have
any Montana ancestors listed there, but we do have some Wyoming ones:
> From the Great Falls Tribune (email gftribune(a)mcb.net), dated
>29 September 1999: Kenneth C. BOLES died in Billings, MT at the age
>of 77. He was born on 26 July 1922 in Eden, MT, and grew up in
>Great Falls, MT. He married Barbara PYATT on 26 March 1949 in Great
>Falls. Survivors are his wife, his daughters Pamela Ann BOLES of
>Powell, WY, and Cynthia Rae BOLES of Butte, MT, a brother, Jack
>BOLES of Helena, MT and a sister, Ina Mae CORBY or Sun River, MT and
Sat, Sept 25th I had to delete over 100 messages..So I unsubscribed from some
groups...havent seen any Bowles messages...didnt really intend to unsubscribe
I am still trying to learn if our Reuben Bolles descended from the CT group--or
if he was born in VA as he said on his census records.
My Great-grandfather David Ferguson of Willow Springs, Mo saved everything;
letters, pictures, newspaper articles, picture postcards and Christmas
cards, etc, much of which was kept in a home made desk, by him for 30 plus
years, then in his son's basement another 30 some years, and finally to me
about 1965. Below is transcribed a letter from his 2nd Cousin, dated
November 6 1898 from Santiago, De Cuba, to David Sanford Ferguson at Willow
Mr. Ferguson, Dear sir,
I thought to drop you a few lines this morning to let you know I am still
in the land of the living but am not (well?). I have had fever but am
improving slightly. I truly hope this will find you all well and enjoying
We are having a very hard time here and have had for some time. A great
many has died with fever. We are all wanting to go back home but there
isn't any prospects of me going anyways soon.
Well Mr. Ferguson this is a great country here. I would not take the
island as a gift although it is a furtil country - but it is almost
impossible to live here. Anyway the fever here is malaria, typhoid and
yellow jack and dysantary which is considered equally as dangerous as any
of the fevers. And the Cubans are no good. I would prefer being with
Indians again out in Dakota in preferrance of being with those low down
I have only got 8 more months to stay, then I am going back home and stay.
Well I will bring my uninteresting letter to a close hoping to hear soon.
as ever your very respectfully
Porter M Boles, Corporal
A. Company 5th WS Infantry
Porter Boles was born Jan 18 1872, Greene Co, Tenn, and found on 1880
census with his parents, Robert Boles and Melvina McMurty. He married
Ellen Hutton about 1900, and had children, Nelle May - Elizabeth Leona -
Pauline - Martha - Earl - Fred. I would like to learn more about this
Bonnie Johnson, Wichita, Ks
Someone just asked me if anyone in our group knows the
history of Boles, Arkansas. Can you tell us how it got its name, and
when? Anyone live near there and know the general history of the
All I know is what I see on the map: it's in the far western
area of the state, in Scott County, on the Fourche River and Highway
Can anyone else tell us more?
List, found the following in the book, "Ancestors", by William Maxwell, c.
1971, New York, Alfred A. Knopf, Publisher, p. 134-135. This book is an
account of the ancestors of Wm. Maxwell and the founding of the Christian
Church, or Disciples of Christ.
"The name of Hughes Bowles turns up more frequently than any other in the
sparse records of the early period of the church in Illinois. He came from
Kentucky in 1830, married twice and was the father of twelve children. "He
was a kind and sympathetic man, but very positive. ...He was well versed in
the Scriptures and could almost quote the New Testament from beginning to
end. Members of his family maintained the farm of two hundred acres while
the father gave his time to preaching the gospel. His trips were made on
horseback and reached from ten to fifty miles. The storms of the winters,
the miry sloughs and swollen streams of the springs and early summers
frequently challenged the faith and courage of the itinerant preachers. But
Mr. Bowles seldom missed an appointment." The largest sum of money he ever
received at one time was ten dollars, for his services at a protracted
meeting that lasted two weeks, and this he gave to a poor widow, who had
been thrown from her horse and injured while on her way to the meeting.
And here is his son, Watt Bowles, who was a friend of Abraham Lincoln:
"In plowing time he would work in his fields Saturdays till 11 o'clock a.m.,
then come to his house. Then he would whet his razor on his boot-leg, hone
it on the palm of his left hand, and shave his face clean and smooth without
the aid of a mirror; then grease his boots, wash up, and redress; after
eating his dinner, he would saddle his horse and gallop away ten to thirty
miles and preach Saturday night and Sunday in a residence or schoolhouse to
fifteen or more people. For this work he received not a dollar. His reward
was the sweet consciousness of duty well done and that God was pleased."
This is the only information about the Bowles in this book, but I found it
interesting and thought others might also.
I asked Carolyn Murphy, who originally posted these surnames
listed in the Spottswood Cemetery in Barren Co., KY if she could
expand on them, and she sent back this information:
Kenneth L. 12/6/1911---9/21/1955
Maureen 11/21/1921 oss/Kenneth
Masey M. SLINKER 12/2/1867---10/10/1921
Ada Florence 8/10/1880---11/16/1946
Arthur Franklin 4/13/1896---5/29/1901
Charles Edgar 10/21/1903---2/6/1979
Harriett Ann 5/14/1859---2/29/1924 oss/William W.
Laura Irene 9/1/1923---5/13/1988
Miss Nettie May 11/27/1900---3/11/1968
Nora Blanche 9/4/1886---6/29/1961
William Washington 12/23/1856---4/16/1925
Willie Ann 6/10/1899---10/24/1899
Betty Lewis no dates neice of President Washington
Col Alex 1746---12/10/1818 2 Va Militia Rev War
Favoite Sevent no dates
Sally Hunley no dates
I want to go back and include here what others have posted in
the past, to see if we can tie anything together.
First, we know that my ancestor Benjamin Bowles married
Elizabeth JEFFRIES in Barren Co. in 1810.
Elizabeth JEFFRIES' mother was Patsy SMITH.
There are several SLINKERs who marry into the JEFFRIES families.
One of our Bowles list members sent this to me on 6 May 1997.
She was referring to the people who came to the estate sale of
Elizabeth JEFFRIES' father, Daniel JEFFRIES:
<Benjamin SMITH married Susannah SHIRLEY (who was probably my Moses' sister
<John F. "Jackey" BOWLES married Melinda HOLTSCLAW. Her mother was
<probably Sarah SHIRLEY; Sarah SHIRLEY was probably Susannah SHIRLEY
<William NEVILL married Milly HOLTSCLAW, Melinda HOLTSCLAW BOWLES' <sister.
<Reuben DALE married a daughter of Edward GILL. Reuben DALE was the son of
<Isaac DALE. Six of Isaac DALE's 10 children married SHIRLEYs, including my
<3rd great-grandmother Nancy DALE who married Moses SHIRLEY.
<As for the ANDERSONs, I may have mistaken the William ANDERSON in your
<sales list for a later William ANDERSON who married a DALE.
<I believe I sent you my descendant chart for Jackey F. BOWLES and if not I
<just posted it to the BOWLES mailing list.
In the early days of the Bowles list, we had a member named
Chas Dean (chas(a)hixnet.co.za) who was looking for a BOWLES of Ahern
(Cork, Ireland) or for the first names Vere or SPOTSWOOD. Or any
Irish migrant BOWLES to America prior to about 1875. Or any BOWLES
who was married into Hunt or Vere Hunt families. He just posted that
much, and then disappeared to us. He did say that he'd been looking
for anything that gave him a clue about any Spotswood or Bowles
families for 30 years, and was at a total roadblock before he found
our list. I've tried to contact him several times, even via the
postal route, and have never heard back from him. Has anyone been in
correspondence with him? I sure wish we could find him, especially
since Leathel (LEATHEL(a)worldnet.att.net) has added this connection
<These 2 Bowles are Kenneth Lee Bowles and wife Maureen, son of my great
<uncle Robert Lee (Bobby) Bowles. One maybe two of my grandfather and
<Robert Lee Bowles sisters married Hunleys. With that said here is some
<history on that cemetery with the Spottswood listed.
<Betty Lewis Spottswood - Niece of President Washington
<Col. Alexander Spottswood - 2 VA Mil-Rev War
<Spottswood, Favorite Servent
<Sally Hunley Spottswood
<T. B. Hunley - Co B 33rd Inf
Now that I've put all this in one place, can anyone see some
connections here that would help us further?
James Bowles and wife Margaret lived in Rutherford Co. TN early 1800's and
were among the founding members of Stones River Presbyterian Church. They
were released from membership 1820 to go to the newly formed Cripple Creek
Based on early census records, they were parents of at least 5 children but
only one I have been able to identify is MARY BOWLES m. John NEELY 1817.
SPOTTSWOOD CEM; Loc on N side of Edmonton Rd 8 miles from Glasgow on
Col. Alexander Spottswood old homeplace.
Bowles(2), Cloyd(2), Deweese(1), Ennis(3), Gilpin(2), Hayes(1),
Kirk(1), Ludlam(2), Mann(1), Murphy(1), Pulliam(11), Ramey(1),
Slinker(1), Smith(11), Spottswood(4), Travis(2), Williams(1)
These 2 Bowles are Kenneth Lee Bowles and wife Maureen, son of my great
uncle Robert Lee (Bobby) Bowles. One maybe two of my grandfather and
Robert Lee Bowles sisters married Hunleys. With that said here is some
history on that cemetery with the Spottswood listed.
Betty Lewis Spottswood - Niece of President Washington
Col. Alexander Spottswood - 2 VA Mil-Rev War
Spottswood, Favorite Servent
Sally Hunley Spottswood
T. B. Hunley - Co B 33rd Inf
NOTE: To another post
The following appeared in the Sep 15, 1999 edition of The Indianapolis
SAMUEL BOWLES, 93, Brownsburg, died Sept. 13,1999. He had been a
self-employed auto body repairman. Services: 2 p.m. Sept. 16 in
Singleton & Herr Mortuary, with calling from 5 to 8 p.m. Sept. 15.
Burial: Floral Park
Cemetery. He was the widower of Velva Robertson Bowles. Survivors:
children Frank, Danny Bowles, Shirley Lynn, Jaunita Rankin, Mildred
Larrison; 17 grandchildren; 26 great-grandchildren; six
Here is the answer to Floyds Obit:
Samuel Bowles father was Franklin Bowles, grandfather Elijah
Wilburn,great-grandfather John Fleming Bowles, Sr.
At Linne's request I am sending this information relating to our recent submission of Allied Surnames and the contacts, if any, that resulted from the information submitted.
I made a contact that resulted from my posting allied surname Sprowl, ca 1820, OH, IL. My Rachel Sprowl was the wife of Joseph Camp, my gggrandfather, b. ca 1800s possibly in Ireland. I am now in contact with a "new" family member who is also researching the Camp/Boles/Sprowl families. It is exciting to make such contacts and underlines the importance of considering Allied Surnames when searching for clues to our main Boles line.
Another contact I forgot to mention to Linne was from Ireland by a person who noticed my entries for Bellew. Her mother's maiden name was Bellew and she lives only about 10 miles from where her mother grew up. We have not established a connection as yet, but she has offered to help me in any way she can. My ggrandfather Noah Bellew, b. June 28, 1847 in Guernsey Co, OH married Ann Camp, b. Feb. 5, 1845 in Vinton Co. OH--Ann Camp was the daughter of Joseph Camp and Rachel Sprowl.
Hope this information helps someone out there.