Dear Mike
I remember the Market Café more or less opposite the old covered market
which lay close to the current shopping precinct. (I went to live in
Tredegar as a young lad in 1949.)
I sympathize with your problem. I have traced the Lloyds back to
Dorstone in the Golden Valley as far as the mid eighteenth century, but
the trail then goes cold pretty much, though there is a possible link to
Peterchurch down the road in the seventeenth century. The name Lloyd is
simply too common. However, my great grandmother was an Elizabeth
Addis, and the Addis side can be traced back to the late sixteenth
century, thanks to the great interest that many modern Addises have in
their ancestry. One needs a bit of luck with this sort of thing plus
the help of some experienced researchers.
By the way, my great grandfather Richard Lloyd was born in Clifford.
Best wishes
Alan
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From: blaenaugwent-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
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Sent: 14 August 2007 10:58
To: blaenaugwent(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BLAENAUGWENT] Definition Help
Hi Alan
Don't believe I've posted on here before, but as an ex-Tredegar boy
myself (my grandparents had the Market Cafe on Commercial Street for
many years) I was interested to read your comments about the?ancestry
which you've traced back to the Wales/Herefordshire borderlands. I
thought I had definitely traced the birth of my 3xgreat-grandfather,
Thomas Griffiths,?in the parish records for the village of Clifford,
near Hay-on-Wye, in 1814, but further searching has unearthed an equally
likely possibility (at least on the basis of the information in the
census returns for the years 1841-1891) in Cusop,?very close to Clifford
and actually the bit of Hay which?now lies on the English side of the
border. The further back you go, the more difficult it gets!
Mike Thomas???
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lloyd <alan.lloyd6(a)ntlworld.com>
To: blaenaugwent(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10.20am
Subject: Re: [BLAENAUGWENT] Definition Help
Dear John
In my experience UK statements of place of birth are not consistent,
e.g. my grandfather is said in the records to have been born in Clodock,
Herefordshire, but I know he was born in Longtown up the road. Clearly
it is the parish, not the settlement, which is often used. I had a
great grandmother who was born in Boherbue in County Cork, and in the
English census record the town happens to be named, but it would not
have surprised me if the county only had been given. I'm afraid that
double-checking is necessary to get at the truth, if one can.
I take it from the street names that you give that you are talking of
Tredegar where I lived for many years. There were certainly plenty of
people of Irish ancestry there.
All this leaves aside the issue of whether people in the old days had
anything more than a rather vague idea of where they were born.
Best wishes
Alan Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
From: blaenaugwent-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:blaenaugwent-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steitz
Sent: 13 August 2007 23:34
To: blaenaugwent(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BLAENAUGWENT] Definition Help
Nadine-
Thank you. Any thoughts on the second question.
JOhn
-----Original Message-----
From: blaenaugwent-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:blaenaugwent-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nadine Baldock
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:17 PM
To: blaenaugwent(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BLAENAUGWENT] Definition Help
Hi, I am not too sure, but it might mean he was coking the fires in
the
works.. putting coke on the burners.. Nadine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Steitz" <johnst(a)luckbros.com>
To: <blaenaugwent(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: [BLAENAUGWENT] Definition Help
Hello All-
Could someone help me with the definition of a Coker. My definition
may
not
match of what the Tredegar 1871 term meant.
Also:
As I look at Iron & Duke Streets and the Irish birth origins, I often
see
town names such as Youghal, Skibbereen or Scull but I also see Cork.
Is
there a consistent interpretation of Cork as a City or Cork as a
county
that
can be drawn based on your folks knowledge and experience looking at
these?
Thank you very much.
John
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