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Hello Pam,
Do you have the 1871 census for Monmouth, or just the index to it?
I have been trying desperately to get a lookup for my GG GF Thomas ISAAC,
wife Mary, and a bunch of kids living either in or around Rhymney. You were
so kind to give me information from the 1861 index, but I still don't know
if all the kids belong to them or other ISAAC families around them. There
were no relationships listed, just ages. (I had ordered the 1871 from the
LDS, but they ordered Runmey instead of Rhymney and had to reorder. It took
6 weeks to get the first one!)
Thomas ISAAC died on Feb. 28, 1875 at 9 Tre Evans, Rhymney. His son Thomas
was in attendance.
I would appreciate any help you're willing to give!
Thanks!
Elsie L Isaac
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#4 Re: [Bla'Gwent] Naomi Morgan ["Elsie Isaac" ]
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:24:44 -0700
From: "Boyd Eugene Craft"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Naomi Morgan
Looking for info on NAOMI MORGAN, b Apr 17, 1860, in Blaenavon,
Monmouthshire, Wales. Her father is Charles Morgan, d Aug 1908 (?) in
Wales. He was a miner. Naomi�s mother was Mary Ann Price, d 1875, Wales.
Charles had second marriage, First name of second wife was Caroline, last
name unknown. Naomi married Jerimiah Issac Webb April 23, 1877 in
Abergavenny, Monmouth Co. Wales. Jerimiah was also a miner. Naomi and
Jerimiah moved to USA about 1882.
Would like more info on this MORGAN line.
Boyd Eugene Craft
Rogers, Arkansas, USA
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:48:58 +0100
From: "ann.wood2"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Bla'Gwent] ABERTILLERY BURIAL
Hi
My grandfather James Griffiths died 1931 and was buried in Abertillery. Please can anyone advice me how to start searching for his grave. Thanking you regards. Ann
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:26:05 +1200
From: "Pam Thornbury"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Naomi Morgan
Hello Boyd
Here is the family entry from the 1871 census:
RG10/5313 Folio 18
41 Hill Street, Blaenavon
MORGAN, Charles, HD, M, 33, Miner, MON Blaenavon
Mary A, Wife, 31, MON Blaenavon
Naomi, DA, 11, Scholar, "
Pam
in New Zealand
> Looking for info on NAOMI MORGAN, b Apr 17, 1860, in Blaenavon,
> Monmouthshire, Wales. Her father is Charles Morgan, d Aug 1908 (?) in
> Wales. He was a miner. Naomi�s mother was Mary Ann Price, d 1875,
> Wales. Charles had second marriage, First name of second wife was
> Caroline, last name unknown. Naomi married Jerimiah Issac Webb April
> 23, 1877 in Abergavenny, Monmouth Co. Wales. Jerimiah was also a
> miner. Naomi and Jerimiah moved to USA about 1882.
>
> Would like more info on this MORGAN line.
>
> Boyd Eugene Craft
> Rogers, Arkansas, USA
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:44:27 +0000
From: "Elsie Isaac"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Naomi Morgan
Hello Pam,
Do you have the 1871 census for Monmouth, or just the index to it?
I have been trying desperately to get a lookup for my GG GF Thomas ISAAC,
wife Mary, and a bunch of kids living either in or around Rhymney. You were
so kind to give me information from the 1861 index, but I still don't know
if all the kids belong to them or other ISAAC families around them. There
were no relationships listed, just ages. (I had ordered the 1871 from the
LDS, but they ordered Runmey instead of Rhymney and had to reorder. It took
6 weeks to get the first one!)
Thomas ISAAC died on Feb. 28, 1875 at 9 Tre Evans, Rhymney. His son Thomas
was in attendance.
I would appreciate any help you're willing to give!
Thanks!
Elsie L Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:06:22 +0000
From: "Elsie Isaac"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Forgot to change subject
Sorry Listers!
I forgot to change the subject when I posted for Pam Thornbury!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:34:36 +0000
From: "Elsie Isaac"
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Re: ISAAC-Pam
Hi Pam,
Again I thank you for the 1871 ISAAC lookup. It did confirm a few things
that were missing for me. My GGF Herbert (Thomas' son) was born in 1865, so
not yet listed on the 1861. Then on the 1881 he is already the head of house
at the age of 16 with his widowed mother living with him and his married
sister with her children at St. Johns, Llantrisant, GLA. At least I now
know where the family was for sure in 1871.
The son Thomas that I'm looking for should have been 27 years old in 1871.
There are several of the children that I have not been able to find birth
records for because the ages keep varying. Plus, some of the children were
from Thomas' first marriage to a woman named Ann. I have no information on
who she was either. My young Thomas is right on the line there. In 1860 he
was baptized at the age of 16, meaning he should have been born in 1844.
Thomas married his second wife in August of 1844. I'm assuming that young
Thomas was from the first marriage, but not sure. Aye, yi, yi!!
Sorry to ramble on! I think I'm just getting to the frustration point with
this group. I'm sure you can appreciate that.
Again, your help is once again greatly appreciated!
Elsie L Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!!
From: "Pam Thornbury"
Reply-To: pthorn(a)ihug.co.nz
To: "Elsie Isaac"
Subject: ISAAC
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:27:05 +1200
Hi Elsie
Again, I only have the Gwent FHS index for Rhymney 1871, but it will help
you find the
page/folio when you eventually get your film:
RG10/5329 30/20
Uchlawrcoed (Rhymney)
ISAAC, Thomas, 62
Mary, 48
Martha, 11
Jemima, 14
Herbert Lloyd, 6
There were two more Thomas ISAAC listed, but I don't know the age of his
son, so you
will have to work out which one belongs to Thomas Snr.
RG10/5322 74 04
Uchlawrcoed (Tredegar)
ISAAC, Thomas, 31
Rachel, 2
Ann, 32
Lewis, 5
There is also a Benjamin aged 6 at 5322 74 03 who may be another relative.
RG10/5323 12/18 Uchlawrcoed (New Tredegar)
ISAAC, Thomas, 12
Taliesin, 16
William, 8
Ann, 18
There are more ISAAC entries on the following page: RG10/5323 13/18 which
may belong
to this last family
I hope this helps you find the full entries in the film.
Cheers
Pam
> Hello Pam,
>
> Do you have the 1871 census for Monmouth, or just the index to it?
>
> I have been trying desperately to get a lookup for my GG GF Thomas
> ISAAC, wife Mary, and a bunch of kids living either in or around
> Rhymney. You were so kind to give me information from the 1861 index,
> but I still don't know if all the kids belong to them or other ISAAC
> families around them. There were no relationships listed, just ages.
> (I had ordered the 1871 from the LDS, but they ordered Runmey instead
> of Rhymney and had to reorder. It took 6 weeks to get the first one!)
>
> Thomas ISAAC died on Feb. 28, 1875 at 9 Tre Evans, Rhymney. His son
> Thomas was in attendance.
>
> I would appreciate any help you're willing to give!
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Elsie L Isaac
> Bethlehem, PA USA
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My grandfather James Griffiths died 1931 and was buried in Abertillery. Please can anyone advice me how to start searching for his grave. Thanking you regards. Ann
Looking for info on NAOMI MORGAN, b Apr 17, 1860, in Blaenavon,
Monmouthshire, Wales. Her father is Charles Morgan, d Aug 1908 (?) in
Wales. He was a miner. Naomis mother was Mary Ann Price, d 1875, Wales.
Charles had second marriage, First name of second wife was Caroline, last
name unknown. Naomi married Jerimiah Issac Webb April 23, 1877 in
Abergavenny, Monmouth Co. Wales. Jerimiah was also a miner. Naomi and
Jerimiah moved to USA about 1882.
Would like more info on this MORGAN line.
Boyd Eugene Craft
Rogers, Arkansas, USA
Can anyone tell me where I can find the parish records for Llanelly and Llangattock. Brecon. Is there any chance they have been put on micro fiche or CD
Regards Linda
Hi Esther!
I think that for the LDS, Bedwellty covers the second & third Sub-Districts
of Bedwellty Registration District, ie, Tredegar & Rock Bedwellty, whilst
the first Sub-District, Aberystruth, gets its own entries.
I'm not sure how the different towns, villages and other areas are covered
by each Census Piece, but I think that, based on coverage in other years,
for the Aberystruth Pieces:
Abertillery is split across Pieces 3 & 4 (RG12/4353 & 4354);
Aberystruth split across Pieces 1-3;
Blaina is split across Pieces 1-3;
Nantyglo is split across Pieces 1 & 2.
RG12/4351 on FHS fiche 6099461 covers Coalbrookvale, Cwm, Newtown, and the
area of Ebbw Vale that was in Aberystruth Sub-District;
RG12/4352 on FHS fiche 6099462 covers Cwmcelyn;
RG12/4353 on FHS fiche 6099463 covers Blaenau Gwent;
RG12/4354 on FHS fiche 6099464 covers Cwmtillery.
I haven't looked at the 1891 Census images yet, so don't know how accurate
this guess-work will turn out to be.
======================================================================
1891|RG12 | Monmouthshire | Registration District: 583 Bedwellty
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Census Year 2: Public Records Office Reference #
3: Census Piece # 4: Number of fiches per Census Piece
5: FHL British Fiche # 6: Enumeration District #
7: Registration District 8: Registration Sub-District
----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1891 | RG12 | 4351 | 3 | 6099461 | 1A | Bedwellty | Aberystruth |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4352 | 3 | 6099462 | 1B | Bedwellty | Aberystruth |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4353 | 3 | 6099463 | 1C | Bedwellty | Aberystruth |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4354 | 3 | 6099464 | 1D | Bedwellty | Aberystruth |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4355 | 3 | 6099465 | 2A | Bedwellty | Tredegar |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4356 | 4 | 6099466 | 2B | Bedwellty | Tredegar |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4357 | 4 | 6099467 | 2C | Bedwellty | Tredegar |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4358 | 3 | 6099468 | 2D | Bedwellty | Tredegar |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4359 | 4 | 6099469 | 2E | Bedwellty | Tredegar |
| 1891 | RG12 | 4360 | 2 | 6099470 | 3 | Bedwellty | Rock Bedwellty|
======================================================================
Perhaps other people who have matched addresses to the 1891 census locations
given for their families, could point out any glitches?
Good luck with your searches!
x Kate.
Esther <eandpcunliffe(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
<<
I'm trying to prepare for my first visit to a FHC and I am very frustrated
in trying to figure out which census films/fiche I need to order.
Most of my family comes from Abertillery/Blaenau Gwent and Blaina. For the
1881 census, Blaina, Nantygo and Beaufort are on the first film (1342261),
and Blaenau Gwent and Aberystruth are on the second film (1342262). I would
like to look at the 1891 Census where there are four groups of three fiche
each (6099461/2/3/4). Does anyone know how I can find out which areas each
of these numbers covers?
The FHL also has 20 fiche for the Bedwelty/ Tredegar census for 1891. Does
anyone know what "Bedwelty" means to the LDS? On the free BMD, as far as
my family is concerned, Bedwelty means all three areas (after 1861); on the
1901 census, my family is found under either Aberystruth or Abertillery.
Sigh.
Any help with my questions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Esther
(Edmonton)
>>
In a message dated 7/13/2003 7:11:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eandpcunliffe(a)shaw.ca writes:
> Most of my family comes from Abertillery/Blaenau Gwent and Blaina. For the
> 1881 census, Blaina, Nantygo and Beaufort are on the first film (1342261),
Have you found them online on the FHS website (www.familysearch.org) for the
UK 1881 census? Then if you want more detailed information or to see the
actual census, the website listing would tell you which film the particular info is
on.
Dot
FHC has 1881 Census for British Isles on line at www.familysearch.org. Don't know if it has what you are looking for or not. Have found some of my Welch names there.
The web site is pretty easy to use. I bought the LDS CD set for 1881 before they put it on line. It also is pretty easy to use and only about $30 US. Hope this is of some help.
Bob J. Boise, Idaho, U.S.A.
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Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Please help me with FHL/FHC
I'm trying to prepare for my first visit to a FHC and I am very frustrated in trying to figure out which census films/fiche I need to order.
Most of my family comes from Abertillery/Blaenau Gwent and Blaina. For the 1881 census, Blaina, Nantygo and Beaufort are on the first film (1342261), and Blaenau Gwent and Aberystruth are on the second film (1342262). I would like to look at the 1891 Census where there are four groups of three fiche each (6099461/2/3/4). Does anyone know how I can find out which areas each of these numbers covers?
The FHL also has 20 fiche for the Bedwelty/ Tredegar census for 1891. Does anyone know what "Bedwelty" means to the LDS? On the free BMD, as far as my family is concerned, Bedwelty means all three areas (after 1861); on the 1901 census, my family is found under either Aberystruth or Abertillery. Sigh.
Any help with my questions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Esther (Edmonton)
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What is the name of the Risca Parish Church? If anyone has access to the records from that church for the years of 1857/58, I would appreciate a baptism look-up for Catherine Jones who was the daughter of Mathew and Martha Jones. Thanks ever so much.
Judy in the U.S.
I'm trying to prepare for my first visit to a FHC and I am very frustrated in trying to figure out which census films/fiche I need to order.
Most of my family comes from Abertillery/Blaenau Gwent and Blaina. For the 1881 census, Blaina, Nantygo and Beaufort are on the first film (1342261), and Blaenau Gwent and Aberystruth are on the second film (1342262). I would like to look at the 1891 Census where there are four groups of three fiche each (6099461/2/3/4). Does anyone know how I can find out which areas each of these numbers covers?
The FHL also has 20 fiche for the Bedwelty/ Tredegar census for 1891. Does anyone know what "Bedwelty" means to the LDS? On the free BMD, as far as my family is concerned, Bedwelty means all three areas (after 1861); on the 1901 census, my family is found under either Aberystruth or Abertillery. Sigh.
Any help with my questions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Esther (Edmonton)
Hello List,
Bought at local sale, a Presbyterian text "The Life of Our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" by the Rev. John Fleetwood D.D. 1863. book contains a frontpiece with family details of Benjamin Richards [b.1844] and his wife Jane [b. 1845] married 1864. also their children Robert Gillam Richardson, 1864; Elizabeth Ann, 1866; George, 1869 and Joseph, 1882. All very precise info including times.
If this fits in with anyone's interests they can have the book for cost plus p+p. The book measures 12 x 10 x 3½ inches, is leather bound and gold edged though the spine is badly damaged but it can be restored.
//Colin Parlor [Leeds]//
Sorry, I don't know anyone researching that name.
Pam
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Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Counties, County Boroughs & Unitary Authorities
> Hello Pam. Are you close to Pontypool,Wales. I'm looking to connect my
> Leonard family tree to those in Pontypool. In 1630s a James Leonard came
to the
> States with his brother and settled in Massachusetts. Could you get me in
touch
> with anyone who is doing their family tree connected to the Leonard's in
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Hi Kate,
And, most importantly of all, we have the Gwent Record Office (not the
Monmouthshire Record Office) which is located at County Hall in Cwmbran
(Torfaen County Borough Council) yet it is also the HQ for my area -
Monmouthshire. I think what you say is right, i.e. that these new areas are
separate and indpendent and do not unite under the head of a single county
name (The CIA et al are correct!). The reason Elsie's certificates say
Monmouthshire (as everyone else's do) is that that is what it WAS (not what
it is) and the certificates are exact copies of the originals which would
say Monmouthshire. The County of Monmouth hasn't existed since 1974, the
[much smaller] area in which I live just bears the same name but is quite
different altogether. With all the changes over the years, we still have
remains of all the various guises so it's quite a confusing mess although,
thankfully, when it comes to the genealogical timeframe (well before the
1974 changes) we only need to know about the old county of Monmouth although
goodness knows what problems future genealogists may encounter as it's
difficult enough these days just trying to trace the right register office!
Best wishes
James
Hi folks!
Many thanks to James & Elsie for responding on-list so quickly. Elsie, over
the Big Pond, plumped for Monmouthsire, agreeing with my mother, whilst the
more local James, in a neighbouring district, concurred with my father, and
went with Gwent.
So, the consensus of opinion is ... non-existant!
Did anybody else notice how many of our Blaenau Gwent resident listers
proffered their local knowledge on this question? ;-)
I can't find an official definition from our government, but the most
helpful website so far has been, of all things, a CIA website, which,
although a few years out-of-date, implies that the County Boroughs are not
within Counties at all.
This might be supported by the fact that under the .gov.uk websites, the
Monmouthshire web-pages lead to information on the County Council of
Monmouthshire, which doesn't include the County Boroughs of Blaenau Gwent,
Torfaen, etc, which have their own web-pages under the .gov.uk system.
On Blaenau Gwent County Borough Council's official web-site, the address of
the Council Offices is given as:
"Municipal Offices, Civic Centre, Ebbw Vale, NP23 6XB."
No county or county borough is given as part of the address.
So it looks like there's no geographical unit between the County Borough
(Blaenau Gwent) & the Country (Wales), although certain official
organizations (eg the Police Force, sorry, Service) still organize their
divisions using the counties in existence between 1974-1996 (eg Gwent,
Dyfed-Powys Police Services)
If anyone can correct me, please do so - I'd really like to know!
Slightly less confused,
Kate.
James Evans <Blorenge(a)btopenworld.com> wrote:
<<
Yes, places within Blaenau Gwent are still classified, for postal purposes,
as being in Gwent and indeed this is what appears on the official Blaenau
Gwent stationery, i.e. "Ebbw Vale, Gwent." But, as you say, I live in
Abergavenny which is now Monmouthshire yet I still receive the occasional
letter from people/places/bodies that say "Abergavenny, Gwent". All were
formerly in the County of Gwent which was the new name given to
Monmouthshire in 1974 although 'Monmouthshire' was the name given to this
area with the creation of the new Welsh shires in the sixteenth century but
before that, in medieval Wales, the area was called Gwent. It's been like a
game of ping pong and there is still no agreement, some like Gwent, others
prefer Monmouthshire. The short answer, use 'Gwent' and everyone here will
know what you're talking about.
>>
Elsie Isaac <elisaac(a)msn.com> wrote:
<< The County is Monmouthshire. >>
In reply to:
Kate (me) <midge(a)midgekat.123isp.co.uk>
<<
Can anyone please tell me the name of the County that the County Borough &
Unitary Authority of Blaenau Gwent presently exists in? Or is there no
county at all?
I think that the Post Office (or is that Consignia?) still classifies it as
Gwent, but then, I live in Carmarthenshire, which the Post Office still
classifies as Dyfed, not having recognized the 1996 reversions.>>
Hi Kate,
From Over the Big Pond :-))))) my family was from Rhymney, and all the
certificated of Birth, Death, and Marriage that I have received from the mid
1800's list it as Monmouth. So figure that one out! :-)))
Elsie L Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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From: "Kate" <midge(a)midgekat.123isp.co.uk>
Reply-To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Counties, County Boroughs & Unitary Authorities
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:07:13 +0100
Hi folks!
Many thanks to James & Elsie for responding on-list so quickly. Elsie, over
the Big Pond, plumped for Monmouthsire, agreeing with my mother, whilst the
more local James, in a neighbouring district, concurred with my father, and
went with Gwent.
So, the consensus of opinion is ... non-existant!
Did anybody else notice how many of our Blaenau Gwent resident listers
proffered their local knowledge on this question? ;-)
I can't find an official definition from our government, but the most
helpful website so far has been, of all things, a CIA website, which,
although a few years out-of-date, implies that the County Boroughs are not
within Counties at all.
This might be supported by the fact that under the .gov.uk websites, the
Monmouthshire web-pages lead to information on the County Council of
Monmouthshire, which doesn't include the County Boroughs of Blaenau Gwent,
Torfaen, etc, which have their own web-pages under the .gov.uk system.
On Blaenau Gwent County Borough Council's official web-site, the address of
the Council Offices is given as:
"Municipal Offices, Civic Centre, Ebbw Vale, NP23 6XB."
No county or county borough is given as part of the address.
So it looks like there's no geographical unit between the County Borough
(Blaenau Gwent) & the Country (Wales), although certain official
organizations (eg the Police Force, sorry, Service) still organize their
divisions using the counties in existence between 1974-1996 (eg Gwent,
Dyfed-Powys Police Services)
If anyone can correct me, please do so - I'd really like to know!
Slightly less confused,
Kate.
James Evans <Blorenge(a)btopenworld.com> wrote:
<<
Yes, places within Blaenau Gwent are still classified, for postal purposes,
as being in Gwent and indeed this is what appears on the official Blaenau
Gwent stationery, i.e. "Ebbw Vale, Gwent." But, as you say, I live in
Abergavenny which is now Monmouthshire yet I still receive the occasional
letter from people/places/bodies that say "Abergavenny, Gwent". All were
formerly in the County of Gwent which was the new name given to
Monmouthshire in 1974 although 'Monmouthshire' was the name given to this
area with the creation of the new Welsh shires in the sixteenth century but
before that, in medieval Wales, the area was called Gwent. It's been like a
game of ping pong and there is still no agreement, some like Gwent, others
prefer Monmouthshire. The short answer, use 'Gwent' and everyone here will
know what you're talking about.
>>
Elsie Isaac <elisaac(a)msn.com> wrote:
<< The County is Monmouthshire. >>
In reply to:
Kate (me) <midge(a)midgekat.123isp.co.uk>
<<
Can anyone please tell me the name of the County that the County Borough &
Unitary Authority of Blaenau Gwent presently exists in? Or is there no
county at all?
I think that the Post Office (or is that Consignia?) still classifies it as
Gwent, but then, I live in Carmarthenshire, which the Post Office still
classifies as Dyfed, not having recognized the 1996 reversions.>>
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Hello Pam. Are you close to Pontypool,Wales. I'm looking to connect my
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Hi Kate,
Yes, places within Blaenau Gwent are still classified, for postal purposes,
as being in Gwent and indeed this is what appears on the official Blaenau
Gwent stationery, i.e. "Ebbw Vale, Gwent." But, as you say, I live in
Abergavenny which is now Monmouthshire yet I still receive the occasional
letter from people/places/bodies that say "Abergavenny, Gwent". All were
formerly in the County of Gwent which was the new name given to
Monmouthshire in 1974 although 'Monmouthshire' was the name given to this
area with the creation of the new Welsh shires in the sixteenth century but
before that, in medieval Wales, the area was called Gwent. It's been like a
game of ping pong and there is still no agreement, some like Gwent, others
prefer Monmouthshire. The short answer, use 'Gwent' and everyone here will
know what you're talking about.
Best wishes
James Phillips-Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: Elsie Isaac <elisaac(a)msn.com>
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 10 July 2003 15:52
Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] Counties, County Boroughs & Unitary Authorities
>Hello Kate,
>
>The County is Monmouthshire.
>
>
>
>Elsie L Isaac
>Bethlehem, PA USA
>
>Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!!
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>
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>From: "Kate" <midge(a)midgekat.123isp.co.uk>
>Reply-To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Counties, County Boroughs & Unitary Authorities
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:14:54 +0100
>
>Hi Folks!
>
>Can anyone please tell me the name of the County that the County Borough &
>Unitary Authority of Blaenau Gwent presently exists in? Or is there no
>county at all?
>I think that the Post Office (or is that Consignia?) still classifies it as
>Gwent, but then, I live in Carmarthenshire, which the Post Office still
>classifies as Dyfed, not having recognized the 1996 reversions.
>
>Please help sort out my confusion!
>
>Muddled,
>Kate.
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Hi Folks!
Can anyone please tell me the name of the County that the County Borough &
Unitary Authority of Blaenau Gwent presently exists in? Or is there no
county at all?
I think that the Post Office (or is that Consignia?) still classifies it as
Gwent, but then, I live in Carmarthenshire, which the Post Office still
classifies as Dyfed, not having recognized the 1996 reversions.
Please help sort out my confusion!
Muddled,
Kate.