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From: <BlaenauGwent-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: <BlaenauGwent-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:00 AM
Subject: BlaenauGwent-D Digest V03 #90
I've been chasing "Collins" in the same area for years, and while I don't see
a connection, I thought I'd share the dangling pieces I've collected.
Hopefully, another researcher might add or find something helpful. In serata
I've found:
1849 Q1 Marriages Sarah Collins Abergavenny 26, 13; James Abergavenny 26, 24
and Ann Abergavenny 26, 25.
1858 Slater's Directory, Brynmawr, Henry, Garnfach, baker & flour dealer.
1871, Sept 2 marriage of Jeremiah Collins (born 1841 Cork, Ire) to my GGM
Catherine Downey Leary a widow. Jeremiah's father was also Jeremiah,
deceased, but had been a laborer in the Iron Works, so he must have died in
Wales). Marriage was in Dukestown, Crickhowell, BRE.
1881 Jeremiah & Catherine Collins found on census at 4 Rows, Sirhowy,
Tredegar, MON.
1887- the Collins line of a friend appears and Catherine Collins (not my
GGM;died 6-2-1903, 27 Iron Row) marries Cornelius Beecher. They have 4
daughters, and one is found with her GM, Johanna Collins in 1896, living at
GM's at 6 Duke Street.
1898 from Free BMD Q1 Marriages: Jeremiah, Merthyr T 11a, 795; Walter, MT
11a, 760.
I hope this mishmash holds a clue for someone. Happy hunting!
Bonnie Boyle Harvey
Sue,
I have an Elizabeth Maddy, age 56 visiting John & Sarah Stevens in
Herefordshire, Glamorgan in 1861.
Also have an Evan Maddy, age 24 living with his widowed mother Mary in
Panydarren, Glamorgan in 1861.
Don't know if these could be yours or not since you didn't give any ages.
Elsie Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
From: "Sue" <sue(a)cartref27.fsnet.co.uk>
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Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Maddys in 1861 Census
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:03:59 +0100
Hallo,
I know I have written about these people before but am wondering if there is
any part of the BlaenauGwent area that was not covered in 1861 Census as I
am missing Evan and Elizabeth Maddy. They may well have been visiting
relatives on this night and I wonder if anyone has perhaps Prices, Powells,
Lewis, Proberts or Parrys where they have some visitors for the 1861 Census
night called Evan and Elizabeth Maddy.
The Maddys seem to have had relatives of these names and I wonder if they
were visiting them.
Once again, sorry for repeating myself.
Best wishes,
Sue in Suffolk
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Hallo,
I know I have written about these people before but am wondering if there is any part of the BlaenauGwent area that was not covered in 1861 Census as I am missing Evan and Elizabeth Maddy. They may well have been visiting relatives on this night and I wonder if anyone has perhaps Prices, Powells, Lewis, Proberts or Parrys where they have some visitors for the 1861 Census night called Evan and Elizabeth Maddy.
The Maddys seem to have had relatives of these names and I wonder if they were visiting them.
Once again, sorry for repeating myself.
Best wishes,
Sue in Suffolk
> looking for contacts with Ashman.Dando families who lived in abersychan
and were from paulton, somersetshire.
>
> paulcrossgen(a)hotmail.com
My great grandfather was James Dando, b. 1839 in Varteg, near Blaenavon, d.
1905 in a coal mining town in western Maryland. His wife was Sarah Price of
Blaenavon but they weren't married until they met in Maryland. James'
parents were William Dando and Elizabeth Jeffries.
Connie Beachy
Hello,
I am trying to find my great great grandfather James COLLINS. His son
JOHN (and possibly another son, ENOCH) were in Aberystruth at the time of the
1861 census and spent the rest of their lives there.
According to the 1861, '81 and '91 censuses JOHN COLLINS was born in Corwen,
Merionethshire in 1835, the 1871 census says Berwyn. He married MARGARET
HARRIS in Blaina in 1859, according to their marriage certificate John's
father was JAMES COLLINS.
I think John and Enoch were brothers, their lives seem to be intertwined.
Enoch was lodging with John and Margaret in 1861, both men were iron miners
and both were apparently born in Corwen, though later censuses give Enoch's
birthplace as Ruabon, Denbighshire. Many years later John's unmarried sons
Ivor and Aneurin were lodgers in the house of Enoch's widow, Eleanor/Ellen,
nee Roper. Aneurin, my grandfather, was the only one of John and Margaret's
three sons who married.
If anyone has come across my JAMES COLLINS I would be very pleased to hear
from you.
Thank you,
Best wishes,
Marjorie
Searching for ancestors. Gladys Titley born 1893 in Tredegar married Walter Haywood and moved to Birmingham. They had 2 children Mercia Gladys Haywood & Walter Haywood. Annie Titley married Mr. Roberts & they had 2 daughters Lisa & Laurna. At one time they looked after the Tredegar Arms.
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Hi Kathryn,
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you about this connection. I found
your Henry Jones on the 1881 census. Ffestinog is in Merionethshire. By
1881 Henry is listed as a widow living with his daughter. Here's the
information:
Henry JONES Head W Male 62 Festinog, Merioneth, Wales Coal Miner
Cathrine JONES Daur U Female 26 Llangunider, Brecknock, Wales
General Domestic
Dwelling Dukes Town Sgwrfa?
Census Place Llangunider, Brecon, Wales
HENRY JONES
Christening: 13 APR 1818 Llangelynin, Merioneth, Wales
Father: THOMAS JONES
Mother: MARY
Anyway, back to the original question about the MEREDITH/JONES connection.
My connection is as follows:
My GGGF Edward R. JONES b. 5/10/1845 in Montgomeryshire married Jane DAVIS.
They had a child named either Helen or Ellen b. 5/11/1873 in Llanfyllin,
Montgomeryshire.
My GGM Helen or Ellen JONES married my GGF Thomas John MEREDITH b. 1872 in
Pembroke Dock. Sometime after their marriage they moved to Larksville, PA,
USA where they had a daughter Florence MEREDITH b. 7/2/1893
My GM Florence MEREDITH married Abram Saul DANIELS b. 7/4/1895 in Oregon,
USA. They had 2 children: Helen Hannah Daniels b. 4/4/1921 and Abram
Meredith Daniels b. 1927.
My Mother Helen Hannah DANIELS married Lewis Stanley ISAAC b. 10/28/1920
Tonyrefail, Glamorgan in 1944 in Edwardsville, PA, USA. They had 3
children: Ronald Lewis Isaac b. 10/25/1945, Karen Lou b. 4/6/1949, and
myself Elsie Louise b. 11/19/1953 all in Kingston, PA.
The link you refer to could be through the Edward R. Jones, Helen or Ellen
Jones marrying Thomas John Meredith. Let me know if you find a connection.
Elsie
From: KathrynBronte(a)aol.com
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Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] MEREDITH
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:13:14 EDT
I am originally from Trdegar. My late mother always said there was a
connection between my Jones side of the family (My grandmother was a Jones)
and the Merediths. I have no idea how, but it is likely that maybe there is
a
link through the Jones side of the family. One great grandmother is listed
in
having been born in Radnor town on the Tredegar Aberystruth census for 1881.
Her mother, born 1820 I have the exact date but can only assume it was
Radnorshire /Herefordshire,married a Henry Jones (born Ffestiniog 1819)
circa 1840's and I have been unable to locate the church mentioned in old
family notes.( Cwmbedw, Cwmtilor Radnor) Have in fact been wondering whether
it could have been in Herefordshire rather than Radnorshire.
Some Jones "cousins" who claimed this link with the Merediths, lived in
Ashvale Tredegar while I was young. My mother was very definite as were the
Jones/Meredith about this link
I would be interested to hear more detail.
Best wishes
Kathryn Thomas.
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: [Bla'Gwent] AP Explanation please?
> Hello List,
>
> Would someone kindly explain the "ap" in a name? In researching my Thomas
> ISAAC's birth, I've come across several that have me somewhat confused
such
> as: Thomas ap ISAAC, father Isaac. Was the ap eventually dropped and the
> ISAAC from the father added as a last name? These are all in the late
> 1700's.
> I would appreciate any explanations so I can interpret what I'm looking at
> when researching.
> Thanks!
>
> Elsie Isaac
> Bethlehem, PA USA
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It is effectively 'son of' with 'ap Reece' becoming Price.
Andrew
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From: Elsie Isaac [mailto:elisaac@msn.com]
Sent: 09 May 2003 13:16
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Subject: [Bla'Gwent] AP Explanation please?
Hello List,
Would someone kindly explain the "ap" in a name? In researching my Thomas
ISAAC's birth, I've come across several that have me somewhat confused such
as: Thomas ap ISAAC, father Isaac. Was the ap eventually dropped and the
ISAAC from the father added as a last name? These are all in the late
1700's.
I would appreciate any explanations so I can interpret what I'm looking at
when researching.
Thanks!
Elsie Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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Hello List,
Would someone kindly explain the "ap" in a name? In researching my Thomas
ISAAC's birth, I've come across several that have me somewhat confused such
as: Thomas ap ISAAC, father Isaac. Was the ap eventually dropped and the
ISAAC from the father added as a last name? These are all in the late
1700's.
I would appreciate any explanations so I can interpret what I'm looking at
when researching.
Thanks!
Elsie Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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Dawn,
They may even confuse you more, but this seems to match what you are looking
for. Notice the last name is Davis, not Davies, but the age and place appear
appropriate. Could be yours. I got this information from the LDS site:
Husband
James Davis
Birth: About 1841 Ebbw Vale, Monmouth, England
Christening:
Marriage: About 1861
Wife
Sarah Ann Perry Pedigree
Children
1. William H. J. Davis Male
Birth: About 1863 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
2. Ada M Davis Female
Birth: About 1865 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
3. Annie M Davis Female
Birth: About 1867 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
4. George A Davis Male
Birth: About 1869 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
5. Isabella M Davis Female
Birth: About 1870 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
6. Sarah A Davis Female
Birth: About 1873 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
7. Nelly Davis Female
Birth: About 1877 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
8. Gertrude Davis Female
Birth: About 1879 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
From: Dawn M Perry-Taft <slo_taft(a)juno.com>
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Subject: [Bla'Gwent] SKS 1871 Census Bedwellty/Tredegar James DAVIES Iron
Puddler
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:16:29 -0700
Hello to the List,
Don't know if SKS has access to the 1871 for Bedwellty/ Tredegar.
Would appreciate any help with the following family:
James DAVIES age 28 +/- 2 yrs born Victoria/Ebbw Vale MON
Wife DAVIES Unknown
Rosa DAVIES age 7 born Ohio,USA
Lily DAVIES age 5 born Ohio, USA
James is the son of William and Elizabeth DAVIES
James remarried Mary Ann SMITH, daughter of Richard SMITH, farmer in 1878
at St. George's church, Tredegar.
Any help and or links to this family would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Pam,
Thank you so much for the lookup.
Yes, those would probably be mine. Thomas is my GGGF, and he is listed on my
GGF's B.C. as being a mason. I'd appreciate anything you can give me. The
only problem may be like the 1861 census, they may not be all their
children. Not knowing anything about how the indexes are made, is there any
way to be sure of who was in their particular house and what relationship
they are? Just wondering....(as the gears turn) LOL
Please.....send me what you found.
Again, thank you !
Elsie Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
From: "Pam Thornbury" <pthorn(a)ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: [Bla'Gwent] 1851 Lookup Please?
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:31:51 +1200
Hello Elsie
A Thomas and Mary ISAAC of these ages [plus 7 children] are in the 1851
Glamorgan
census. Thomas is a mason. Are they who you are looking for?
The 1851 Rhymney census is not indexed so a lookup would be difficult.
Pam
in New Zealand
>
> If anyone has access to the 1851 census for Rhymney (Rumney) I'd
> appreciate the following lookup:
>
> ISAAC, Thomas age: 42
> Mary (w) 28
>
> I would appreciate any information I can get.
> Thanks!
>
> Elsie Isaac
> Bethlehem, PA USA
>
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At 13:06 05/05/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi, all: Thanks for your comments re this for-fee BMD service. It seems to
>me that the greatest value in this service would be in finding ancestors who
>are not yet included on the free BMD (whether or not you want to order
>certificates), and to see the actual entries in the original registers.
Yes. I'd always check the FreeBMD first then use 1837 online to double
check entries you find on FreeBMD or to search for missing ones.
>It
>might also be smart, though, to wait a couple of months until the company
>has finished its work rescanning the earlier records and reorganizing the
>search function before plunking down money.
Not necessarily. While this work is going on (ie until the beginning of
July) they are giving 10% extra credits for your subscription. If your
research at this stage lies in the period from about 1860 onwards, where
the records are in good condition and the scans clear, it might be useful
to subscribe at this stage and get the freebies.
If you can afford it, I'd recommend paying for £60 worth (currently 880
credits) as this makes each page or entry view 5p instead of the 10p you
pay if you buy only £5 worth. I guess it depends on how much work you think
you have to do on the indexes before you hit pre-1837. Also if you have a
lot of common names to research, eg Davies or Thomas, you could go through
the credits quite quickly.
Regards
STC
Hi Pam,
Thanks for the lookup! This family is truly baffling. Thomas Isaac and Mary
(Watkins) were married in 1844 in Mer.Tyd.. In the 1861, they are listed in
Rhymney with a whole bunch of children (yet to be determined if they were
all theirs). In the 1881, Mary is a widow living with their son Herbert in
GLA. So, somewhere between 1861 and 1881 Thomas died. Herbert was my GGF,
and born in Rhymney in 1865 after the 1861.
I had the LDS order the actual census of Rhymney for 1861 so we can
determine exactly which of the ISAAC's listed were in the same house with
Thomas and Mary. Maybe this will help!
Thanks again for the lookup! I was hoping to find something, but it doesn't
surprize me with this family! LOL
Elsie Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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Subject: [Bla'Gwent] Isaac Thomas and Mary
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:35:47 +0100
Hi Elsie,
I have looked on the Brecknock section for Rhymney but there is no Isaac c
42, and the only Mar Thomas 28 is
THOMAS Mary, d , u , 28, [sv] servant maid, CMN Llangadog, Pensarn, 64\050
003
Pam
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Hi Elsie,
I have looked on the Brecknock section for Rhymney but there is no Isaac c 42, and the only Mar Thomas 28 is
THOMAS Mary, d , u , 28, [sv] servant maid, CMN Llangadog, Pensarn, 64\050 003
Pam