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Hilda & Ken Morley.
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From: KMorley105(a)aol.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:17:32 EDT
Subject: Researching "Talgarth" Williams in Six Bells ( Vegas Morleys )
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We are trying to establish the relationship between "Talgarth" Williams that
lived in Six Bells,Abertillery in the 1930s and 1940s and the Flowers,
Watkins, Cook families.
Talgarth Williams wife was Louisa Flowers and one of their children was Kate
Watkins nee Williams.
Some where in the family tree we believe the Williams, Flowers and Cooks are
connected and if so will connect to the Dennings, Colemans and Morleys.
Hilda & Ken Morley ( kmorley105(a)aol.com )
Ex Six Bells, Gwent now retired in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
http://hometown.aol.com/kmorley105/myhomepage.heritage.html
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Well perhaps now is a good time to report to the group my recent trip to
South Wales.
I am researching MORGAN, FINNEY/FINEY in the Blaina, Nantyglo, Brwn Mayr
area. We stayed at "Lamb House" a B&B in BLaina. The host was very
friendly and we enjoyed our breakfast chats.
It was interesting to see the valley's which now have lost the coal mines
that once supported the area.
I found a place that I was searhing for "Garnfach" which is now a small part
of Nantyglo -- the school called Garn Cross seems to be all that is left of
the name Garnfach.
We also visited the Llanelly parish church (in Gilwern) which overlooks the
valley. It was built in the 12 or 13th century and is surrounded by Yew
trees. John Morgan (b. 8 Nov 1826) married Mary Ann Finey/Finney (b. 1
April 1830) from Risca on 22nd of June 1847.
At the county offices in Cwm Bryn I found the above marriage record, but I
am afraid to say that is all I was able to find. We spent a few days
looking through the censes, but to no avail. I could not find the family
in any census. They left in 1873 for New Zealand where I was raised.
I do not know what we did wrong. John Morgan was born in Garnfach in 1826,
of his children, Thomas was also born there in around 1850, and so was Ann
in 1861, Edward was born in 1862 in Blaina. It would seem that the family
did not move from this area and what would be the chance that they missed
all the censuses? I guess it does not help that there are so many Morgans in
Wales.
Here is the family, if anyone has time to look through there own census data
I would very much appreciate it. As I said they left the UK in 1873 so
there is not much point looking in the 1881 census.
Here is the data -- I have left the bad spelling as it was recorded in
Family Bible, etc.
John MORGAN
Born Garnvach, Abergovenney, Wales 8 Nov 1826
Parents Thomas MORGAN ( a Haulier) & Mary (nee CLARK)
1847 Occupation, 'Collier'' of Waenhelygen (sp?)
{Waun Helygen - more or less Brynmawr.}
Mary Ann FINNEY/FINEY
Born 1 April 1830, Risca, Monmouthshire
Parents: Samuel FINNEY (or FINEY) (brickmaker) & Catherine ?
1. Samuel, b 8 April 1848, Abersyth, Monmouthshire
Married 15 Mar 1869, Parish Church, Hanley, Shelton, England
Elizabeth BICKLEY, b 7 May 1848, Burslem, Staffordshire
2. Thomas, b 1 Nov Garnvach (sometimes spelled Garnfach)
3. Edward (1), b 26 Jan 1854, died pre 1862
4. John, b 1 Feb 1856. (No further info. Did not come to NZ with the others)
5. Sarahann(or Sarah Ann) b 13 Mar 1857
6. Rosanna, (or Rosannah) b 16 May 1859
7. Ann (sometimes recorded as Ann Finey¹) b 16 Jan 1861. Garnfach,
Aberstruth, Abergavenny.
8. Edward (2) b 1 Dec 1862, Blyna, Monmouthshire.
Married 16 April 1889. The Manse, Charters Towers, Queensland, Australia.
Elizabeth Dickson Archibald McLAREN (Grandma Morgan¹ to us)
B 31 Jan 1865, Archibald Place, Musselburgh, Scotland
Parents: Andrew McLAREN (coal miner) & Mary (nee ARCHIBALD) (sailcloth
weaver)
Hi Ian,
I have subscribed to the Monmouthshire Digest List and it seems to be more
active, though a larger field than Blaenau Gwent. But then, what do I know,
I'm from California, USA.
sheilabickerton(a)worldnet.att.net
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> From: IAN MOSELEY <moseleyian(a)hotmail.com>
> To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [BlaenauGwent] TEST
> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:45 PM
>
> I do not seem to have had any postings from Blaenau Gwent has it gone
quiet or have I been deleted from the list
>
> Ian,
> Hay-on-Wye
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Message to Nadine Baldock.
Dear Nadine,
You were asking about an address for my Grandmother in Ebbw Vale. I have a copy
of her birth certificate (entry 33 in Register Book 120 for Bedwellty). Margaret
Elizabeth Mathias was born on 17th April 1888 at Waterfall Row, Ebbw Vale.
Her father was John Mathias (carpenter) and her mother Miriam Mathias (formerly
Rees).
Any connection with your Mathias link ?
Best regards,
Tony Blake.
HI, Quite normal for people to be married in Tredegar in the early days as
there was a registry office there. Nadine
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Picken <s.picken(a)surrey.ac.uk>
To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: [BlaenauGwent] 1861census
> Hi,
> Can ayone help?
> Does anyone know if a copy of 1861 census covering Ebbw Vale and Tredegar
> is available for purchase? If so where can I get it!
>
> I've searched for my family a couple of times at FRC without success,but
> they must be in Ebbw Vale somewhere....birth certs for 2 children say Ebbw
> Vale, marriage was at Tredegar.
> Thanks
> Sue
> S.Picken(a)surrey.ac.uk
>
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I wonder if any one can shed some light on the following
I have a George ARNOLD & Francis (Fanny) they appear on the 1841 census for
Itton Monmouthshire GEORGE born 1811 and FANNY born 1816 their children on
the I.G.I's for Itton Mounton & Newchurch by Chepstow,. Which I can trace to
the current day.
I cannot find a marriage or their parents
The only marriage from Itton for an ARNOLD is as follows Thomas ARNOLD of
the parish of Itton (although Christened 19/2/1786 at Caerwent) on the 19th
February 1786 at Shirenewton to a Margaret JAMES from the parish of
Shirenewton
there are 13 children who were christened at Caerwent from 1814 to 1839 and
no George ARNOLD for appropriate date only George Arnold Christened
20/1/1833 Caerwent (This could only be the one if Christened as an adult
before getting married)
Could this George (b1811 Age from 1841 census) have been born outside of
wedlock and thereby not christened.until adulthood. If so where would I go,
as I cannot find any Dastardly Bonds
David Yorath
Laugharne
West Wales
Any help would be appreciated
Sue,
I would like to know the answer to your question also.
If you receive a private reply to this, would you
please pass the information on to me? I would really
appreciate it.
Thank you,
Nan
--- Susan Picken <s.picken(a)surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can ayone help?
> Does anyone know if a copy of 1861 census covering
> Ebbw Vale and Tredegar
> is available for purchase? If so where can I get it!
>
> I've searched for my family a couple of times at FRC
> without success,but
> they must be in Ebbw Vale somewhere....birth certs
> for 2 children say Ebbw
> Vale, marriage was at Tredegar.
> Thanks
> Sue
> S.Picken(a)surrey.ac.uk
>
>
> ==== BlaenauGwent Mailing List ====
> Nantyglo/Blaina:
> http://www.nantyglo.com/UK
>
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There was a tinplate works in Abertillery up until after the second world war.
Steel plate was rolled and coated with tin then sent for forming into cans
mainly for sterilised foods. Tinmen were the workers in the tinplate works.
Best regards,
Tony Blake.
Hi,
Can ayone help?
Does anyone know if a copy of 1861 census covering Ebbw Vale and Tredegar
is available for purchase? If so where can I get it!
I've searched for my family a couple of times at FRC without success,but
they must be in Ebbw Vale somewhere....birth certs for 2 children say Ebbw
Vale, marriage was at Tredegar.
Thanks
Sue
S.Picken(a)surrey.ac.uk
Hello,
Is anyone researching the following in the Abertillery area?
George PURNELL born 5.10.1859 Chew Magna/Clutton, Somerset
Pheobe Jane HARTSON born 13.10.1860
JUKES
PROTHEROE
HODGES
EDMUNDS
GARDENER / GARDINER
Many thanks,
Wendy
Keynsham
Nr Bath
Hello,
Please could someone help with a problem... my great grandmother Pheobe
Jane Hartson born 13/10/1860 took the Hartson surname from her Stepfather -
how do I trace her birth surname? I'm fairly sure she was local to the
Abertillery area and I know that her step brother Richard went on to be an
MP. She married my great grandfather George Purnell - a well known publican
and council member of the parish :D.
Any help would be gratefully received.
Many thanks
Wendy
Keynsham
Nr Bath
Hi Anne,
"Tinman" was (also?) a term used to describe traders in or repairers of
metal goods, pots and pans etc. and could be synonymous with tinker.
Such tinmen were often itinerants and sometimes Gypsies.
On the other hand, there was certainly a tinplating industry in
Monmouthshire in the Pontypool-Cwmbran area. Don't know about Bedwellte.
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
hatherall(a)btinternet.com
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> I just got the marriage certificate for my gr grandparents. They were
> maiired in 1840 in Bedwelty Parish. The bride's father's occupation was
> given as "tinman". I know this isn't The Wizard of Oz, but what, exactly
> does a tinman do? Was there a tin industry in Monmouthshire, or would it
> have been in another part of Wales. If so where? I have also noticed in
> the 1841 census, many men listed as "fireman". Does anyone know what that
means?
>
> Anne Young
> Toledo, Ohio
I'm looking for the William George Lewis family who lived in the Aberbeeg
area in August 1939. The address I have is 71 New Woodland Terrace,
Aberbeeg, Abertillery and Colliery Wagon Shunter. George was the husband
of my G Aunt Emma Wanklyn. They have a son, A. F. Lewis who lived at 5
Windsor Terrace, Aberteeg in 1939.
Thanks!
Mark Wanklyn
Thanks, Nadine, That helps a lot. Now I know where to look for him.
Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nadine Baldock" <charlie(a)taffyrainbow.ezesurf.co.uk>
To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> Hi, Ebbw Vale. There was a tin plate works there, as my uncle worked
> there. Nadine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
> To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
>
>
> > Thanks, Sally, Was there a certain area of Wales where tin was
> > manufactured?
> >
> > Anne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sally Walton" <ncwalt(a)dnet.net>
> > To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> >
> >
> > > He worked in a foundrey which manufactured tin. Sally
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
> > > To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:57 PM
> > > Subject: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> > >
> > >
> > > >I just got the marriage certificate for my gr grandparents. They
were
> > > maiired in 1840 in Bedwelty Parish. The bride's father's occupation
was
> > > given as "tinman". I know this isn't The Wizard of Oz, but what,
exactly
> > > does a tinman do? Was there a tin industry in Monmouthshire, or would
> it
> > > have been in another part of Wales. If so where? I have also noticed
in
> > the
> > > 1841 census, many men listed as "fireman". Does anyone know what that
> > > means?
> > > >
> > > >Anne Young
> > > >Toledo, Ohio
> > > >
> > > >
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Hi, Ebbw Vale. There was a tin plate works there, as my uncle worked
there. Nadine
----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> Thanks, Sally, Was there a certain area of Wales where tin was
> manufactured?
>
> Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sally Walton" <ncwalt(a)dnet.net>
> To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
>
>
> > He worked in a foundrey which manufactured tin. Sally
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
> > To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:57 PM
> > Subject: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> >
> >
> > >I just got the marriage certificate for my gr grandparents. They were
> > maiired in 1840 in Bedwelty Parish. The bride's father's occupation was
> > given as "tinman". I know this isn't The Wizard of Oz, but what, exactly
> > does a tinman do? Was there a tin industry in Monmouthshire, or would
it
> > have been in another part of Wales. If so where? I have also noticed in
> the
> > 1841 census, many men listed as "fireman". Does anyone know what that
> > means?
> > >
> > >Anne Young
> > >Toledo, Ohio
> > >
> > >
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Thanks, Sally, Was there a certain area of Wales where tin was
manufactured?
Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Walton" <ncwalt(a)dnet.net>
To: <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
> He worked in a foundrey which manufactured tin. Sally
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
> To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:57 PM
> Subject: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
>
>
> >I just got the marriage certificate for my gr grandparents. They were
> maiired in 1840 in Bedwelty Parish. The bride's father's occupation was
> given as "tinman". I know this isn't The Wizard of Oz, but what, exactly
> does a tinman do? Was there a tin industry in Monmouthshire, or would it
> have been in another part of Wales. If so where? I have also noticed in
the
> 1841 census, many men listed as "fireman". Does anyone know what that
> means?
> >
> >Anne Young
> >Toledo, Ohio
> >
> >
> >==== BlaenauGwent Mailing List ====
> >Simon Furber's Nantyglo/Blaina website
> >http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~simon/blaina.html
> >
> >
>
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> http://www.netwales.co.uk/bg.heritage/partners.htm
>
He worked in a foundrey which manufactured tin. Sally
-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Young <french4cat(a)mindspring.com>
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com <BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:57 PM
Subject: [BlaenauGwent] occupations
>I just got the marriage certificate for my gr grandparents. They were
maiired in 1840 in Bedwelty Parish. The bride's father's occupation was
given as "tinman". I know this isn't The Wizard of Oz, but what, exactly
does a tinman do? Was there a tin industry in Monmouthshire, or would it
have been in another part of Wales. If so where? I have also noticed in the
1841 census, many men listed as "fireman". Does anyone know what that
means?
>
>Anne Young
>Toledo, Ohio
>
>
>==== BlaenauGwent Mailing List ====
>Simon Furber's Nantyglo/Blaina website
>http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~simon/blaina.html
>
>
Fireman was definately a term then used on marriage certificates for pit men
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