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Researching the family name TITHECOTT from Springfield cottages, Llanarth
Road Potllanfraith, Circa 1916? The purpose is to discover the birth
surname of DAISY. William and Fanny TITHECOTT fostered the girl named
DAISY, beginning circa 1914. William TITHECOTT worked as a Haulier in a
Colliery, within walking distance from Pontllanfraith, circa 1916. William
and Fanny had three natural children: FRED born 1910; ANNIE born 1916; and
WILLIAM [ Bill ] born 1920. DAISY was never adopted, but was raised from
infancy by the TITHECOTT'S. I have some information that she was born May
06th, 1914, and came to Canada with the TITHECOTT family in March of 1925,
on the ship called Canopic. The Ships record lists DAISY as being born in
Monmouth, England. DAISY attended schools at Pontllanfraith between April
1918, and Dec. 1922 . I believe the family attended the Wesleyan church in
the near Pontllanfraith area, so there should be some Parish records of the
Tithecott family. I would appreciate any assistance toward how to discover
DAISY'S birth name. Thank-you kindly!
Bruce
papabruce(a)home.com
(I've been trying all Tues & yesterday to send this & other mail to the list,
but apparently the rootsweb server was overloaded with bounces.)
A Certificate for which the GRO Index states Abergavenny as the Registration
District might NOT now be held AT Abergavenny.
For example, those for earlier dates within the area later covered by BEDWELLTY
Registration District (which commenced circa 1857) would mostly have been passed
to Bedwellty Register Office, which closed in 1974, its registers being moved to
Blaenau Gwent Register Office, The Grove, Church Street, Tredegar NP2 3DS,
which may well be the right Office for a Birth Certificate from NW
Monmouthshire, although CAERPHILLY Register Office (not AT Caerphilly: AT
Council Offices, Ystrad Mynach CF82 7SF) now holds most records of the RHYMNEY
VALLEY area, ie the western border area of MON (and the E of GLA).
However, some records might still be held in the original Office - eg those
pertaining to marriages which actually took place in Register Offices, and those
non-conformist marriages which had to be attended by a Registrar.
Trying to work out the correct Register Office can be something of a minefield.
Abergavenny Register Office closed in 1959, and registers were moved to
Pontypool.
Pontypool Register Office closed in 1996, and registers were moved to Torfaen or
Monmouth.
In fact, Torfaen Register Office is IN Pontypool, and Monmouth Register Office
is IN Abergavenny (26a Monk St, Abergavenny NP7 5NP) which may well be the
right Office for a Birth Certificate from the eastern part of the original
Abergavenny Registration District.
It must be very depressing for staff, every day receiving requests which turn
out not to be relevant to their Office.
Some Register Offices will forward requests for Certificates which might now be
held by another Office; but others will just return the cheque with a
Compliments Slip saying the required entry could not be found - which the
enquirer might inadvertently take to mean the correct entry was not registered .
. . .
Good luck!
Anne Scales
AncestralRoots(a)annescales.freeserve.co.uk
(I've been trying all Tues & Wed to send this & other mail to the list, but
apparently
the rootsweb server is overloaded with bounces.)
GLAMORGAN had a Lordship of Pentyrch and Clun.
If that might be the Clun you're interested in, the on-line National
Register of Archives (Historic Manuscripts Commission) might be of interest.
I'm feeling sorry for myself at the moment, with a very bad cold, which I
could well do without; so I'm going to have to leave you to find the URL for
yourself, from a search engine or via www.genuki.org.uk).
Anne Scales
AncestralRoots(a)annescales.freeserve.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Deric John
To: BlaenauGwent-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:36 AM
Subject: Nant-y-glo
I apologise for another display of pedantry but NANT has two meanings
[a] stream
[b] valley
See Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru s.n.
and also Enwau Lleoedd, Ifor Williams, p26 "Defnyddir hwn [nant] am y pant lle rhed y dwfr, fel dyffryn yn ei ystyr gyffredin heddiw, a hefyd am yr afon ei hun, pe na bai ond afonig"
GLO can also mean 'charcoal', especially where a stream has been associated with charcoal burning.
In The Place-names of Wales, Dr Hywel Wyn Owen translates Nnan-y-glo as "valley of coal [or charcoal]" see s.n.
Regards,
Deric John
I have now managed to trace my Grandfather to Aberystruth Mon. Living there in 1881 at Duffryn Cottages. Does anyone have any useful "Gen" on the place especially about the 1880 s?
He was born at Bedwellty but I find two likely places, Bedwellty Pits and Bedwellty Argoed, seemingly a few miles apart. They are there today and is there a connection? How far is that from Trevethin which is where Grandmother came from?
Any help thankfully received.
Also thanks for all the help received so far. I use three other lists and find them so interesting and helpful - even though it may not be my family.
Geoff, Reading UK
A helpful correspondent has rightly pointed out that Nant in Welsh means
'stream' rather than 'valley'. Sorry to have misled any listers in PA.
--
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
hatherall(a)btinternet.com
> Kathy Wagner
> Descendant of Arthur and Sara (Jones) Evans, of Iver Street, Maestegg,
> Glamorgan (late 1800's), emigrated to Nanticoke, PA around1900, to work in
> the mines there;
Hi Kathy,
*Nanticoke* - what a wonderful name! Is it, I wonder, an adaptation of
Nantyglo, which means 'coal valley'? It certainly seems that way to this
Welshman - but perhaps he's barking up the wrong tree and it'll turn out to
be American Indian...
> Researching Henry Reese, hero of the Battle of the Crater at Petersburg, VA.,
> born Monmouthshire, July 1835; currently under consideration for the Medal of
> Honor for his actions.
Please tell us more! Does it always take so long to get such a medal?
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
hatherall(a)btinternet.com
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Hi Beth
yes it is a reach but your Thomas COULD be the father of mine as well?
(maybe) Rachel was married in 1838 ? My Thomas would have been 22 at that
time and I have no information on his siblings or parents.
Since you went for a long reach I will to. If you father is Ret. Navy Capt
Wm. A. Harris we are definitely looking for the same family. I am his first
cousin and have tons of information.
My Thomas was also a farmer but must have worked in the mines to suppliment
his income or seasonal work.
Thomas Harris b. 1816. m. Elizabeth Jones b. 1820 in 1849. The children were
Thomas b. 8-13-1850. William Benjamin b. 3-21-1852. David b. 4-20-1860.
Daniel George b. 9-14-1863 in Rumney, Tredegar, Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales.
They immigrated to OH., & Pa. in 1869.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Dan
Muy gr gr grandfather was a puddler in the Tredegar Ironworks. His son came
to America and worked in the iron mills of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He was
a "boiler". Does anyone kknow what this job was?
Anne Young
Toledo, Ohio
Hi -- I'm sure this is a reach, but I am also researching a Thomas Harris in
Monmouthshire. I have the marriage record of his daughter, Rachel (marrying
Evan Hopkins) in March, 1838, in the parish of Mynnddiolwyn (??). (It's hard
to read the handwriting.) The Harris address is given as "near church."
I don't know the name of Rachel's mother, but the two witnesses to the
marriage are Mary Jones and David Jones, if that is of any significance.
However, this Thomas Harris is shown as a farmer.
Beth, in L.A., California
>Would someone please let me know where Clun is, or is it an abbreviation of
>a town, also where would I wrote to, to obtain birth certificates from
>Abagavenny. Thanks in advance.
>Anne Boswell
>USA
If the reference to Clun is on a birth, death or marriage cert it probably
refers to the registration district of that name in Shropshire, England.
The office address for Clun is:
The Pines
Colebatch Road
Bishops Castle
Shropshire
SY9 5JZ
For Abergavenny write to:
26a Monk Street
Abergavenny
Gwent
NP7 5NP
John Wynn
A puddler is someone who worked in the iron industry. It was not just
general labor but more specialized. I will gather details and forward them.
I live in Danville, PA (where Joseph Parry came as a boy with his family and
worked in the iron industry as a puddler!) and many of our immigrants were
Welsh families who came here from Merthe Tydvill (wrong spelling, I know --
sorry!) to work in the mines and the iron works.
Kathy Wagner
Descendant of Arthur and Sara (Jones) Evans, of Iver Street, Maestegg,
Glamorgan (late 1800's), emigrated to Nanticoke, PA around1900, to work in
the mines there;
Researching Henry Reese, hero of the Battle of the Crater at Petersburg, VA.,
born Monmouthshire, July 1835; currently under consideration for the Medal of
Honor for his actions.
Secretary, Susquehanna Valley Welsh Society
Danville, PA. (Joseph Parry's American home)
Anne Boswell <Lexiexie(a)aol.com> wrote:
Would someone please let me know where Clun is, or is it an
abbreviation of a town, also where would I wrote to, to obtain birth
certificates from Abagavenny. Thanks in advance.
======================
Hi Anne,
Clun is a village in the English county of Shropshire, close to the
Welsh border. It's at the junction of two roads: the A488 and the B4368.
(Clun is not an abbreviation - it's the full name).
Go to the Multimaps website and type "CLUN" into the location finder - a
road map centred on Clun will be displayed. Multimaps is at
http://www.multimap.com/uk/
For birth certificate applications, you'll find a list of the addresses
of all local register offices on the GENUKI website at
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/blangston/genuki/reg/
If you follow the search instructions on the GENUKI website, you'll need
to spell Abergavenny correctly.
Best wishes,
John
- --------------------------------
John Ball, South Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
John's Welsh Family History Archive:
http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm
Mark,
You need the CADW (Welsh Historic Monuments) booklet on Blaenavon Ironworks.
I expect CADW has a website. Puddling is the process of decarbonizing cast
iron by stirring and turning it over continuously in a furnace to render it
malleable. The puddling furnace was invented by Henry Cort in 1783-84 and
transformed the process of turning pig iron (hard, brittle cast iron) into
wrought ('worked') iron at the forge. Apparently it was taken up by Richard
Crawshay at Merthyr with such success that it became known as the 'Welsh
method'.
A relict is the wife left behind when the husband passes on. There was a
long-ish correspondence (still available in the on-line archive) on this
topic on the Oxfordshire rootsweb list.
Glyn Hatherall
Ealing, London UK
hatherall(a)btinternet.com
> I have recently ordered details of the HUDSON families as printed in the
> Free Press of Monmouthshire newspaper. I think two of my ancestors from
> Blaenavon are there in the deaths columns. After Ann HUDSON who died in
> 1886, it says "Relict of James a Labourer at Iron Works". Does relict just
> mean related to or is it more specific than that? I think she was married
> to James who would have died some yeas before she did.
> James himself appears in the listing having died in 1876. His occupation
> is shown as a 'Puddler'. Does anyone know what that is? Other sources
> list him as a Labourer.
Hi all,
Should anybody be strolling through the 1871 census for Aberystruth could you keep a lookout for the following?
Head: JONES, ?
Wife: Rachel H or Rachel Harris Age: 20
Many thanks,
Clare
Would someone please let me know where Clun is, or is it an abbreviation of
a town, also where would I wrote to, to obtain birth certificates from
Abagavenny. Thanks in advance.
Anne Boswell
USA
As a general point on Inquest records, they do not
become available to the general public for 75 years.
Close relatives with a specific interest may get
permission to see records earlier than that in special
circumstances. However I have been told that only the
most basic of information is kept, e.g. cuase of
death, none of the "paperwork" regarding
investigations carried out appears to be thought to be
worthwhile keeping.
Failing official records, some inquest information can
be found in local newspapers.
--- Pat Rossiter <rossiter(a)one.net.au> wrote:
> Subject: Inquest in 1912
=====
Lionism and Family History a powerful combination.
Researching Jones, Legge, Melhuish and Podmore
connections mainly Manchester, Grimsby, South Wales
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Hi David
I am only going by the Entry Of Birth I recieved. Application # R009601
startes:
Registration dist. Bedwellty. Birth in sub dist. of Tredegar. County of
Monmouth. on line #1 Where and when born " Fourteen September 1863 RUMNEY."
When I looked up Rumney on the map it was only a couple miles north of
Cardiff. That is what I based my train of thought on. If I was wrong thanks
for the new information, if not, can you help me find my family?
TIA
Dan Harris
HarrisDA(a)aol.com
Subject: FW: RE LLANOVER ESTATE near NEWBRIDGE
Subject: RE LLANOVER ESTATE near NEWBRIDGE
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Rossiter [mailto:rossiter@one.net.au]
To: Gwent-Wales
Subject: RE LLANOVER ESTATE near NEWBRIDGE
Could sks assist with details of JOHN LEWIS > stonemason to LLANOVER ESTATE
.FRON HAUL was built in 1908 was his family home .
Any info could be of assistance.
Thanks in advance
PATRICK > PAT ROSSITER
rossiter(a)one.net.au