As this Boyd family is claimed to be connected to the Boyds of Kilmarnock -
but does not show how they are connected to Lord Boyd - I will also post
this information to this net list as well in case people are tracing this
family from the Ayrshire end.
This is the THIRD BOYD FAMILY OF BALLYCASTLE, but I do not know if they are
linked or are separate Boyd families
- Robert Boyd 1724 Burgess of Glasgow
- Adam Boyd 1710 Will of Ballyluige (most likely now Ballylig) Ramoan
From: Mike Boyd
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:40 AM
Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Who is the father of Rev William Boyd, who died 1701,
of Ballycastle, County Antrim and his ancestors?
Who is the father of Rev William Boyd, who died 1701, of Ballycastle, County
Antrim and his ancestors?
Of the Boyds of Ballycastle, County Antrim, it origins are cast in a little
mystery. This family is outlined by Burke's The Landed Gentry of Ireland,
4th ed., p 105, and it “claims” descent from the Boyd of Kilmarnock, but
does not show how that link might occur or which of the Lord Boyd’s it might
connect to. While Amy Young in 1924, also cites Burke’s but does not
provide the publication or edition of Burke’s that she is referring to.
So let us start with what is known with Rev William Boyd of Ramoan Parish,
Ballycastle, County Antrim.
Q1? William Boyd, b / /164x ( ), d / /1701?
( , Ballycastle), bu , mc / /1690
(church, town, country), Rose McNeil, dau of and
(nee ) McNeil, b / /16xx ( ), d / /17xx
( ), bu , and had issue:-
[Lived: , Ireland? ]
- He was Rector of Ramoan Parish 1679 and 1681 (from note in visitors
Book at Church of Ireland Church, town square, Ballycastle). The Parish of
Ramoan takes in present day Ballycastle and runs in a westly direction
A History of the Church of Ireland in Ramoan Parish, Hugh Alexander
Boyd, B. A., 1930, p 16, says "He was instituted as Vicar of Ramoan on the
18th October 1679, and again instituted as Vicar of Ramoan and Culfeightrin
on the 28th March 1682." While on page 18, it does not say when he resigned
but does give that "the Rev Edward Matthews, M. A., Vicar of Ramoan,
1717-1719" and went onto say "The Reverend William Boyd who was Vicar in
1679 died in 1727*, and was buried in the churchyard of St Ereclacius or
within the building itself." [Mike Boyd, ASSUMES that St Ereclacius is the
name of the Old Ramoan Church.] On the same page it states - "The Rev. W
Boyd had other sons in addition to Colonel Hugh, mentioned above. One was
Alexander Boyd , of Clare, ie Clare Park, Ballycastle, and another the Rev.
Charles Boyd Rector of Rathlin, 1747-1766. A fourth son, William (born 1696
or 1697) became Vicar of Ramoan on 20th July 1719."
This source does not say when William's wife Rose McNeil died or
when they were married. This marriage could have been around the time of
his appointment as Vicar to Ramoan in 1679 or in the early 1680's. From the
dates that Charles Boyd was Rector of Rathlin would suggest he as born in
1710's or 1720's, a period when Rose may have been to old to have children.
* This date is incorrect, it should be 1701 and not 1727.
Unfortunately, these sources, do not tell us if Ramoan parish was his first
and last Parish. This them makes it a little difficult in trying to
estimate if had been Minister in another Parish previously or if and when he
might have gone to University to become a Minister. If in 1679, he first
became a Minister, it may mean that he was born about 20 or 25 years
previously – such as 1659 or 1654.
Said by Amy Young (?), married in May 1690!! Strange married so late!
The Rev William Boyd and family were Church of Ireland and not the normal
Presbyterian, as one would expect for a Boyd family in Ireland. It is not
known if he converted to the Church of Ireland or if his family were part of
that Church for some generations in Ireland.
Traditionally the Rev William Boyd ancestors are given as:-
P4? Hugh Boyd, b / /1612 ( , Scot/Ire?), d after
/ /1668 ( ), bu , m / /163x
(church, town, country), wife not given, dau of and
(nee ) ?????, and had issue:-
From Three Hundred years in Innishowen, Amy Isabell Young, 1924,
McCaw, Stevenson & Orr Ltd, Belfast, pp 292-293:-
"Hugh Boyd, the eldest son of Thomas of Carncognie*, is said by Burke to
have been the father of the Rev. William Boyd, of Drumawillian, who was
Vicar of Ramoan, and d 1727 or 1737. +"
* Is this Thomas of Carnognie - O1? above or his son P5? below.
Both of whom would have been called "Thomas of Carncognie." So it raised
the QUESTION - is Hugh Boyd [P4?] the son of [O1?] or [P5?]. William Boyd
actually died in 1701.
+ These dates are wrong, as Danny Mcgill said he died in 1701.
O1? Thomas Boyd, b / /1581 ( , Scot?), d 15/8/1634
( ), bu , m / /160x (church,
town, country), Elizabeth Smeaton, dau of and
(nee ) Smeaton, b / /158x ( ), d /
/16xx ( ), bu , and had issue:-
- With Hugh's birth given as 1612, this would suggest to Mike Boyd,
April 2004, that he could be the 4th or 5th child of this marriage.
From Three Hundred years in Innishowen, Amy Isabell Young, 1924,
McCaw, Stevenson & Orr Ltd, Belfast, p 292:-
"John Boyd, mentioned above, held lands called Carncogie, near Dervock, at
this time, and is placed by Burke as the father of Thomas Boyd of Carncogie,
who held the same lands from the Earl of Antrim in 1614. Thomas Boyd was a
Scotsman, and was made a denizen of Ireland, 29th Jan. 1611*. He also held
the lands of 'Ballyhibistock' in 1631, and bought 'Lisconane' in 1620. He
died 15th Aug. 1634, having married circa 1611, Elizabeth Seton or Smeaton.
Thomas Boyd of Carncogie was executor to the will of William Boyd of
Dunluce, dated 1624, who may possibly have been his brother or cousin.
Besides Hugh, Thomas had a younger son Thomas, who got Lisconane from his
father, and was alive on the 10th Aug., 1661 (Decrees of Innocent XI., 14).
It appears probable that there was another son, William, of Clontifinan, who
was father of Capt. Hugh Boyd, of Mount Edwards, Cushendell (b 1685/6, and
d. March 30 1731), who married Margaret Rowan (who was b. 1687 and d 1747),
both of whom are buried in the chancel of the church at Clough, Co. Antrim.
A portrait of this Capt. Hugh Boyd, similarly inscribed, stating that he was
the eldest son of William Boyd, of Clontifenan Ballycastle, was in the
possession of a family named Boyd, residing at 9 Victoria St., Dublin. The
portrait was of a gentlemen in a wig and armour. The inscription in Clough
Church gives several sons and daus., the name Hugh occurring more than once,
so that it is very probable that this family were closely related to the
Ballycastle branch, though the exact connection is not known."
However, in the website www.billmacafee.com/17centurydatabases.htm
heading of Hearth Money Rolls (1669) for the Baronies of Cary, Dunluce,
Klilconway, Troome, Antrim and Glenarm in Co., Antrim [Sorted by Surname,
Barony, Parish and Townland]
It has John Boyd, Drumawillan, Ramoan Parish and a second John Boyd listed
at Moyarget Upper, also in Ramoan Parish.
At this time I am not sure if there are two John Boyds or a single person
who owned or leased two townlands.
So this data would suggest that as “a John Boyd” was living or head of the
family at Drumawillan that he is the father of Rev William Boyd and not Hugh
Boyd as traditional been given. How can this thought or theory now be
proved? Or do we say we are 80 or 90 percent certain that because the John
Boyd of 1669 living at Drumawillan is the father of Rev William Boyd who is
listed as also living at Drumawillan?
Hopefully this will lead to discussion and hopefully further proof found.
I will now have to look to see whom John Boyd of Drumawillan might be the
son of. One possibility is that he is the son of William Boyd of Dunluce
who is mentioned in the 1624 Will. But as there is a John Boyd listed for
Dunluce Parish this connection is unlikely. And we also have to remember
that as John Boyd is the most popular male Boyd name, you could expect in
this period nearly every Boyd family to had a son named John Boyd.
Historical Committee, HBS
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