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in our local paper "Waikato Times" Hamilton New Zealand. Friday 28 April
RITCHIE Norman Keith - Passed away (peacefully) at home on April 27
2000 in his 99th year.
Much loved husband of the late Myra.. Loved and loving Dad of Alys and Vic
Spooner, David and Barara and the late Norman and Trevor.
The contact address is THAMES which is an old gold mining town in the
North Island of New Zealand.
There was more information in tonight's paper .
Email if you are interested.
Hamilton New Zealand.
How does one secure a copy of service record in Royal Artillery. I had a
g-uncle (Service No. known) who served and contracted TB in India, died in
Woowich in 1890. I'd appreciate help for a new kid on block.
Hi all listers,
A good scottish friend of my mothers (now in Canada) is having a family reunion in June.
Mostly Scots to be present and they are trying to find the words to an old Scottish song.
I have checked several web sites and although there are alot of lyrics to alot of the traditional Scottish songs..this one is no where to be found. Any help would be appreciated.
Song is called "Haste (or Haist) Ye Back." If anyone out there has these lyrics or knows where I can obtain them please email me DIRECTLY. Thanks so much in advance and I will cross my fingers SKS has access to this.
Take care all, Elaine in Alberta, Canada
Researching Hugh and Susannah MILLER(nee DUNCAN)married c.1785 at
Jane (my GGGGG Grandmother)30/6/1786 at Sorn.
Hope someone can see a connection,or can give me any details on this family
or Hugh and Susannah's families
Am having trouble finding the record of a birth that took place about 1861 (in Galston I think), and am beginning to wonder that it was recorded at all. Cannot find it on Origins or IGI Index.
I think the birth may have taken place before the parents married (after the 1861 census). All subsequent children were registered.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Robyn Taylor - Waiheke Island, New Zealand (researching John PATON and Helen PARKER)
Can anyone tell me what parish (if Ayr. is divided into parishes) that I
would find Newmilns and Galston in also, is Kilmarnock in a different
tracing Adams, Steele, Mitchell, Parker, and Craig
in the above areas.,
from NB, Canada
> Anne Dickson, daughter of Jean Hutton housekeeper and William Mackie
> colliery manager
> As some of you know I have been trying to track this lady down. She was
> born abt 1826 probably in Riccarton Kilmarnock and married Robert Mackie in
> Kilmarnock in Dec 1845. The bans were read in his home parish of Ki'maurs
> in November 1845, but there is no mention of their marriage in Kilmarnock,
> add in the fact that I can find no mention of her birth and her children
> born before 1855 were not christened in the Cof S, and the fact that her
> children later married in the free church all makes me think she was
> non-conformist. The question is in the kilmaurs banns it says she was from
> the low parish of Kilmarnock. Does anyone know which parish this was likely
> to be and which non-conformists churchs would have been there in 1846, or
> can anyone point me in the right direction
You might consider St Andrew's North Church (also known as 'Free St
Andrew's') in Kilmarnock. As you know, there was a schism in the
Church of Scotland in 1843. At that time there were four churches in
Kilmarnock. The High Church split on the Disruption issue and
founded the Free High (later West High) Church. The Low Church
(Laigh Kirk) stayed within the CoS, as did St. Marnock's. St
Andrew's-Netherton was refounded as St.Andrew's Free Church. I have
got this from a neat little book (kindly given to me by Jim Steel)
which was written on the church's centenary in 1943. It's of
particular interest to me as my grandfather was a deacon there.
I looked at the list of elders and deacons at the back of the book,
but could find only one Mackie - James Mackie was appointed a deacon
Hope this helps
All the best
I was so excited to see all the Gemmell postings. Unfortunately
none looked like the Agnes Gemmil in my line, who married John
Millar in Galston/Loudoun abt. 1760.
anyone have any info on her? I guess she would have been born
Margaret Marsh Robinson
Syracuse, New York
FIFE: MAULE, SPENCE, COCHRAN(E)
AYR: MILLAR, MEIKLE, MCKELLOP/MCKILLOP, MURDOCH(K)
E. LOTHIAN: COCKBURN, GIBBS (Haddington parish)
VINE of Eastbourne Sussex
MARSH of St Helens Lancashire
ALMOND of St Helens Lancashire
LEUSCHNER, Leipzig Sachsen --> Sussex UK
FORTMULLER, Nurnberg Germany --> Bronx NY
VOLLERS, Germany ---> Bronx NY
Constablewood is a farm in the Brisbane Glen area of Largs - it still exisits
today, has recently been on the market if I remember correctly.
For further information on the Largs area and genealogy in particular please
visit our website which has many useful links to other resources. We can
assist you in researching the family of John Finnie. Sounds like he is
buried on the Isle of Cumbrae which is in the Firth of Clyde just off Largs.
Adrienne Kirk Alcock
Largs & North Ayrshire FHS
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:10:15 +1000
From: "Graeme Fitzpatrick" <graemefitz(a)bigpond.com>
Subject: FINNIE; Largs; 1692
Hello from Australia everyone
Am trying to find some info on John FINNIE.
We have been given details from a MI at Cumbrae, Bute that says:
John FINNIE, b 1692, d Apr 1778;
Proprietor of Constablewood, Largs
Erected by his son, James
Can anyone give any assistance with what a Proprietor would refer to ?
and also what Constablewood is ?
Any assistance with these or with any further info on John would be much
If you are looking for photos or general information on Captain Paton I would
suggest that you contact:
Glen Eldon Hotel
2 Barr Crescent
Tel: 01475 673381
Another person researching Captain Paton is Jim Bundy, although he may be in
Scotland at this time. He is descended from the Dunlops who married into the
email: <A HREF="mailto:JBundy@aol.com">JBundy(a)aol.com</A>
I understand that they have a museum at Fenwick which houses some of the
Adrienne Kirk Alcock
Largs & North Ayrshire FHS
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:18:43 EDT
Subject: AYRSHIRE photos
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ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE ANY PHOTS OF Captain John Paton the covenenter>>
By now you've checked the GENUKI pages and discovered that Newmilns is in
Loudoun parish and that Galston and Kilmarnock are also parishes in
> tracing Adams, Steele, Mitchell, Parker, and **Craig** in the above areas
My gg-grandfather John Craig was born in Kilmaurs in 1807 and two of his
children, James and my ggm Jeanie Rankin Craig were born in Kilmarnock (1830
and 1834 respectively). John's brother Matthew was the founder of J&M Craig
based at Dean Quarry, Kilmarnock. The firm existed almost 100 years and was
involved in quarrying freestone, mining coal and fireclay, and later the
manufacture of bricks and sanitary fixtures.
I have a cousin in England descended from Matthew and she has amassed quite
a history of the Craigs in Killie.
What are your Craig connections there?
Cape Cod, Mass
The following was posted on the list a few weeks back, Is anyone still
interested in this one?. Sally O xx
Elizabeth Jamieson b.~1786 Riccarton m. William Caldwell 1804 Galston,
Mauchline. parents: William Jamieson and Mary Glover.
I recently found the death certificate for a Mary JAMIESON (MS LAVERTY)
> was born in St Quivox in 1792/1793. Her father was John LAVERTY
> (Coachman) and her mother was Mary FRUNICK - well that is what it looked
> like but I don't think it is right. The handwriting was very difficult
> read. Does anyone have any suggestions what this surname might be.
> There is also a possibility it may be Irish.
Sorry if this a repost (I sent it out this morning but did see it come
I was wondering if anyone had access to records for Marriages for the
Galston Area. I know I could get them from the LDS but I have 2 census
already on order (Two months ago and still waitng) so theres no tell how
long this other would take.
I'm looking for the Registration for:
George Fleming and Marion Young Married Oct. 14, 1864
I'm not Sure what church but probably Presbytarian. Just a guess My
Grandmother was Presb. when she was younger, And I have other
gg-grandparents from Ayr who were.
Clearwater FL, USA
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:50:40 +1200
From: The Ritchie Family <kelvinr99(a)xtra.co.nz>
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To: "RITCHIE-l-request(a)rootsweb.com" <RITCHIE-l-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Ritchie Family of KILMARNOCK
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Dear email users,
I am reposting my inquiry about finding any RITCHIEs that lived in
KILMARNOCK.I would like to hear from any body that may have a RITCHIE
from KILMARNOCK in their family tree.
I am looking for any facts on JAMES RITCHIE and MARGARET HIGHET who
were born around 1800 ,married in 1827 and lived at LAIGH BLACKWOOD a 87
acre farm north-east of KILMARNOCK.
JAMES & MARGARET had the followimg family
JANET b 1829 married ANDREW TAYLOR of SORN in 1849
MARION b 1830
HELEN b 1831 ???
MARGARET b 1833 maybe married to a -- GILLIES
JOHN b 1835 married AGNES MUIR in 1856
WILLIAM b 1837 " " AGNES DUNLOP in 1865
JEAN b 1839 " " JAMES KINNIN in 1860 and lived
MUIRKIRK JAMES b 1842 went to New Zealand in 1859
ELIZABETH b 1848
All family were born in KILMARNOCK.If some of these names ring a bell
I would love to hear from you.
Regards Alan Ritchie, Gore New Zealand.
To Ian Murdoch,
Sorry I have not replied before now, have been extreemly busy. Have not started to look for your records as yet but will be happy to try when I can get to Hawera. It may take some time but I will not forget. Not sure if this is the right list, hope so as I wrote to your e.m. and it was bounced back. If I get no reply, will try other lists.
At 14:50 29/04/00 , Elizabeth Russon wrote:
>I have an ancestor who was a Chelsea pensionner. Does anyone know which
>regiments would have been recruiting in and around Stevenston in the
>1807 - 1820 range. I'm just trying to narrow down the choices.
The British Army recruiting practices of those times, long before the
genuine county affiliations were established in 1881, were such that it
would be difficult to predict who would be recruiting where. And for much
of that period there was a major European war in progress - the Napoleonic
Wars - with many men in uniform.
Your best bet is to pursue his records which should have survived since he
was a Chelsea Pensioner. That is he was a former British Army soldier who
had been found to be suitable to be granted an army pension through
disability or having completed full-service. He would subsequently placed
upon the Royal Hospital, Chelsea Board. The term therefore indicated that
the man was a military pensioner as against a civilian one. The Royal
Chelsea Hospital was founded in 1682 for the care of disabled and wounded
soldiers (never officers) who had completed full service on the English
Establishment, and later the whole, of the British Army. The hospital
itself was never very large and still is restricted in size. The pensioners
actually resident at Chelsea were termed "in-pensioners". The majority of
retiring full-service soldiers became "out-pensioners" and received their
pension in cash terms rather than hospital care. Chelsea pensions were
paid by local agents, before the British Army established regional pension
administration offices at the end of the 19th century.
Chelsea Pension records
The War Office (WO) archived personnel records held at the Public Record
Office, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU, United Kingdom;
(Telephone: General Enquiries, ++44 (020) 8876 3444; Records Information,
++44 (020) 8392 5200; Fax: ++44 (020) 8878 8905) that relate to discharged
soldiers are as detailed below. It should be noted that the LDS have
filmed many of the PRO's military records, including the WO 97 Soldier's
Documents. It may be worth checking out in the LDS catalogue at a FHC.
The records are open for personal search by the enquirer or a nominated
agent. Details of the PRO can be found at their website: http://www.pro.gov.uk/
The PRO do not have an on-line searchable archive. Nor do they usually
undertake any research for personal or postal enquirers. However they
have a list of independent researchers, with a useful search facility. The
address is: http://www.pro.gov.uk/readers/irlist/default.htm
WO 97 (soldiers' documents): for discharge between 1760 and 1882 they are
listed by Regiment and then alphabetically for all soldiers who were
discharged to a pension. In the years 1882-1913, the documents were listed
alphabetically for all soldiers who had survived an Army career and not
just those discharged to pension. These documents are a wonderful supply
of information about the soldier and contain a mass of detail on his career.
The WO 97 document Index up to 1854 is now on computer at the PRO. After
1854 you will need to know his former Regiment in order to trace details.
It is possible to find a pensioner who died prior to 1865 with only a name
and date of death if you know where he died. The fact that he was a
pensioner means that he would have been admitted to pension and would
therefore be entered into all relevant pension registers. It is also more
than likely that if he was discharged to pension prior to 1854, he could be
located in the newly developing but not quite completed indexes to soldiers
documents. On their own, they are not good enough since you can often have
a man of the same name, similar age and same place of birth in the same
regiment and whilst one may get a pension, the other may not. However, the
indexes are a good starting point to get on with the proper research to
establish if that is the right man. In that case, one can usually trace a
man who died prior to 1875 and know that you have located the correct
Once you have the regiment, you can follow his service career through the
regimental pay lists and muster rolls and find out exactly where he was in
any given quarter, sometimes monthly. This is very useful when trying to
locate children's births. It is also the only way to establish whether a
man was actually with the main body of the regiment when they were covering
themselves in glory at some of the historically famous battles and
campaigns for which they were awarded their campaign medals.
Pension Records - Admission Books
Details of pensions administered by the Royal Hospital Chelsea, covering
both in-pensioners and out-pensioners, are held by the PRO, Kew. The
Admission Books, recording the award of a pension for disability between
1715-1913 are in: in WO 116/1-124 and 186-251; those for length of service
(usually over 20 years) are in WO 117. The admission books gives the date
of examination for discharge, brief record of service, reason for award,
place of birth and short physical description. Between 1830 and 1844, the
Chelsea admission books were duplicated in WO 23/1-16 where the entries
include intended place of residence.
Pension Records - Regimental Registers
Registers of pensions issued at Chelsea are held in WO 120. The earlier
folios, covering 1715 to 1843, are arranged chronologically within
regiments. The entries include date of admission, age, brief record of
service, rate of pension, the reason for award or "complaint", place of
birth and physical description. The later folios in WO 120/52-70 record
pensions paid between 1814 and 1857. In these the admissions are
originally arranged by date of admission, later chronologically.
Regimental Pay Lists and Muster Books
Once you have found the individual's regimental details, you can search the
Regimental Muster Books and Pay Lists (in WO 10 and later WO 16) to
assemble a record of his service and the Medal Rolls (WO 100) to see if he
earned any campaign medals.
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Did some searching in the Scots Origin database recently & thought I would
pass on details on some of the records I found in case anyone else can use
I haven't got any of the extracts, these are only the basic details that
Hope someone can use them
#6774312 Ch 22 Jun 1823 Agness GIBSON; f William GIBSON; m Jean TEMPLETON;
#6774313 Ch 31 Aug 1823 Agness GIBSON; f Hugh GIBSON; m Margaret WALLACE;
#3434792 Ch 16 May 1762 John FINNIE; f William FINNIE; m Ann BOYD;
#3468166 Ch 10 Nov 1765, Mary PATTERSON; f Robert PATTERSON, Earlston, East
#3881617 Ch 26 Oct 1774, Mary PATTERSON; f John PATTERSON; m Janet WORKMAN;
West Kilbride, North Ayr