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Hello. New sub from NSW Australia. I am reseaching family and I am new
at it. Any help will be appreciated. Assume that I know nothing and you
will be nearly right.
So far I have: Hugh McColl 1824 Avondale Lanark
Jean Logan 1823 Strathaven
(Married Strathaven 1845)
Some of children
John McColl 1855 Loudoun
John McColl 1855 Married Jeanie White 1863
His 2nd marriage and my line.
Children Robert 1893 (my father)
Hope to hear from someone. Thanks John McColl
I would hardly call Muirkirk a city, it was a largish mining village and
thus it shouldn't be too difficult to find your ancestor in the census
returns that you are interested in. In fact the obverse is true in that you
should be able to find your ancestors address using their names in the
Census returns for Muirkirk.
The last coal mine in the Muirkirk area closed about 30 or 40 years ago and
many of the houses and streets that dated back to the 1800's are now just a
distant memory. From memory there were only a few small shops and a couple
of pubs the last time I passed through Muirkirk and that was some years ago.
There is a small library in Muirkirk but they probably will not have any
genealogical information, the nearest place that covers Muirkirk
genealogically and historically is the Baird Institute in Cumnock about 10
miles away. If you need any info about that drop me a line.
Best Regards, Dan.
Living in Port Glasgow, Scotland.
In article <008301bef1c8$094dcf00$0200a8c0@dowling>, Margaret Dowling
>According to the 1851 census, William THOMSON was born c1821 in Auchinleck.
>There is a baptism for a William THOMSON with the parentage agreeing with
>Scottish naming patterns, but it is at Kilmarnock where he married.in 1843.
>people born in Auchinleck baptised at Kilmarnock?
>Researching FERGUSON, THOMSON, RIGGENS & HAMILTON in Ayrshire.
I did once find an ancestor in the OPR recorded as born in one parish
but baptised in another; I think this was perhaps to do with the family
being Congregationalists but I haven't explored it yet. This is the full
entry, from 1853 :
"RAE Agness Gunion, daughter of William Rae and Mary Gunion spouses was
born in Torthorwald parish and baptised in Caerlaverock by the Rev'd
Thomas Pullen, Congregational Min'r Dumfries, who verified the above."
I've never seen another OPR birth - and I've looked up dozens of mine -
where the baptism took place in another parish and I'm under the
impression it was not common practice.
What you need to do is check the full OPR entry in Kilmarnock. Also, you
need to check other census entries for William to see if his birthplace
is consistently given as Auchinleck. Also again, what about OPR for
Auchinleck? There could be a mis-spelling. (This is all assuming that he
is even recorded in the OPR at all!)
It's tempting to accept a record which looks as if it might fit but I
know from past experience that it's best not to - you can end up doing
more research on that line, then having to abandon it.
Sorry if I sound negative, but both names are quite common anyway (And I
have a personal distrust of the naming pattern, given that I appear to
be descended from many lines of contrary people who paid little
attention to it! They used mainly the same names, but in any old order!)
Hope this helps anyway.
In article <000a01bef1b0$4cb63420$2b304ed1(a)dougski.ihug.co.nz>,
>can anyone tell me, if someone gives birthplace as Maidens, which
>parish are they most likely to be baptised at? I am not familiar with
>area and my map is not that clear.
Ordnance Gazeteer Scotland (1884) has this entry:
"Maidens, a village in Kirkoswald parish, Ayrshire, 6 1/2 miles WSW of
Hope this helps.
SCRAN is a Millennium Project to build a networked multimedia resource
base for the study, teaching and appreciation of history and material
culture in Scotland.
It is still quite a small website at the moment but it has great
Hi--Can anyone tell me if there is such a thing as a "city directory"
for Muirkirk.? I understand I need an address for an ancestor in
order to find them in the census. Where would I locate such a
directory?? Thanks-- Donna Frederick
Hello fellow Kiwi
I haven't been doing my mother's side of the line long and the furthest back (proved), I have is William GEMMELL marriage to Elizabeth GARVEN 19 Mar 1858 in Paisley He was a Mason.(Journeyman.
his parents on his Marriage Cert are Hugh GEMMELL and Margaret BOYD.
Going by the naming pattern my William was 26yrs old when married so that takes it back to 1832 when born, he has to be second son , so Hugh GEMMELL & Margaret BOYD could have been married about 1829's. Hugh was a Weaver. I don't know yet where from.
How do those dates compare?
I do know my maternal grt grandparents Thomas DOWNIE and Mary COCHRANE, banns were read in Dalry 1 Jan 1853
Have taken a print out of your message and will keep on file till I get a connection. I have not got as far back as 1797 yet but it is a possiblity. I'm still pretty new to this genealogy but it is facinating. Gets you hooked.
With the names Whiteford and Love together it really is interesting.
Will keep in touch
Hello to all,
I would be very greatful for a lookup in 1851 Census Index for:
John GILLIES and/or Mary BLUE GILLIES
John GILLIES death occurred before 1855
In 1861, Mary BLUE was a widow residing with son Donald Gillies
and family in Kilbirnie, Ayr.......other sons in Kilbirnie Malcolm
This couple connected to Erskine & Greenock, Renfrew for marriage
and first child.....Kilmartin, Argyll up to 1825 or ?.......
1825 to 1861 unknown........
Details 1851 Census index would be most helpful.
Thanks for your assistance,
British Columbia, Canada
My name is Jim Paton and I am new to the Ayrshire mailing list. I live in Ontario, Canada.
My research interests in Ayrshire include PATON, DONNACHIE, ADAIR, BROUGH, GRAY and MAIR. My families are mainly from Galston and Kilmarnock.
My GGG-Grandfather William Paton married Margaret Mair on Nov 29, 1840 in Galston and the children I have identified so far are Mary Steele (b.1841), Andrew (1844-1903), John (b. 1854), Margaret (b. 1857/59), Amelia Gibson (b. 1860) and Isabella Craig (b. 1862).
My GG-Grandfather Andrew Paton (1844-1903) married Isabella M. Gray on Jan 1, 1866 in Loudon. The children I have identified so far are William (1866-1936), James Gray (b. 1868), Agnes Gray (b. 1870), Andrew (b.1872), Margaret (b.1874), Elizabeth Gray (b. 1885), Alexander and John.
In would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have any leads into these families and their histories.
Good morning, I hope this is of interest to someone.
I've been going through some papers sent me from Australia. "Abridgments
of Sasines", Ayr 1841-1845.
John Gemmill, Mason, residing at Auchintiber, 'Seised', Nov. 25, 1842, -
in front Steading on the east side of the vennal called the Wood Wynd in
Kilwinning, par. Kilwinning; - on Disp. by James Stirrat, Clockmaker,
Kilwinning, to Mathew Stirrat, sometime Ship Carpenter, Saltcoats, Jan.
15, 1814; and Disp. and Assig. by him, with consent of John Allison, son
and heir of Elizabeth Stirrat spouse of John Allison, then weaver,
Kilwinning, and of Agnes Stirrat, and John Manson, Tailor there, her
husband. Nov. 7, 1842.
William H. K. Davidson
ICQ # 12191600
Piper (Capt. John and Capt. Hugh)
Searching: Scotland 1770:
Allison, Bone, Brown, Bryden, Chalmers, Clark, Clearie, Davidson
Drynan (Drennan), Dougall, Harper, McFee, McIndoe, McKelvie
McMillan, Piper (Pyper), Turley, Weir
Lucas, Taylor, Towle
Searching: Ontario (Smith Falls, Merrickville, N. Gower, Wolford)
Alberry, Capes, Courrier, Burrows, Bowers, Braes, French
Harris, Honey, Lafaver, Lamport, Lucas, Mereau, Mortimore, OBrien
Prescott, Rathwell, Robinson, Towle, Wallington, Ward, Wiltsie
Searching: Ontario East (Cornwall)
Benoit, Beaupre, Alguire, Richer
Searching: Manitoba and Saskatchewan
Romanchych, Romanchuk, Genyk-Berezowskyi
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I would be happy to correspond with anyone looking for descendants of:
Matthew GEMMELL and Elizabeth AIRD of Kilmarnock.
Known descendants include
Janet m James MCPAKE Riccarton
John m Elizabeth REID Dalry
Matthew m Mary PLUNKET Dalmellington
Annie m John MCBRIDE Kilmarnock
Mary m Archibald HARLEY Kilmarnock
Strong family connections with Dalry.
John Kilpatrick, Dunedin, New Zealand
Greetings to all
I am looking for other descendants of my MAIDER family from Muirkirk.
My grandfather David MAIDER and one of his brothers, George came to New
Zealand in 1882.
Originally they were living on a farm or area called Aitkenclaugh which
I gather is somewhere near Muirkirk.
Does anyone know of any MAIDER's still living in or around this area?
Would be most grateful of any assistance anyone can offer.
Regards from Gore, New Zealand.
Greetings to all.
I was checking the Family History Source Guide (on CD Rom) and their Latin
Glossary notes the following:
eadem = the same
die = on the day
eodem = the same
eodem die = [on the same day]
Trust this is helpful
Regards from Gore NZ
> I know that "eodem die" means "same day" in OPRs - looks similar to
> Hope this helps
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Errol & Lexly ARDRON <elardron(a)halenet.com.au>
> To: AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 31 August 1999 12:53
> Subject: Meaning of "eocdem"
> Can someone help with the meaning ???
> word " eocdem"
> In relation to a persons birth, death.
> (ie) John Findlay baptised eocdem died
> Lexly Ardron
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it is new to N.Z. since May this year opened by Mormon Church here. It is worth a look. Have found some in Kilmarnock what year and who did they marry,
If you look try batch no. M115971 or C115971.
I have these printed out if you give me more details.
There is only one Daniel McPherson in the Greenock 1851 census indexes and
there does not appear to be a Mary of the right age living in the same
household. Perhaps they were some place else?
In a message dated 8/30/99 8:49:50 PM GMT Daylight Time, zady(a)bellsouth.net
<< I'm back to beg another favor. Doesn't anyone need something looked
up here in the states?! Could I possibly get someone to look up Daniel
McPherson/wife Mary in Greenock in 1851/1861 census? They would be
probably in the Middle or New Parish, Renfrew area. I know that when
Mary died in 1872 (she was a widow then Daniel died in 1863) she was
living at 17 Ann Street, Greenock, age 66. I am trying to determine if
she had more children after 1847 when they lived on Bute. This might
tell me if James McPherson is her son or grandson. Also which girls had
married at about what times. Our LDS library is still closed and not
another one near by so I can't order the film. Thanks everyone, again!
and on 8/24/99
<<<Irene found who I believe is my Daniel McPHERSON, born in Bute, listed
in the 1851 census for Greenock aged 55 District 442 Book 100 Page 9
Line 18. I also found a possible death for this Daniel McPHERSON in
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