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Things seem to be quieting down a bit, so I'll stir
the pot some...
I have here a booklet of Monumental Inscriptions
from the Crosbie Kirkyard.
If you had Crosbie ancestors, I'd be happy to do
lookups, but do be patient for the responses....
this seems to be a popular subject ! :>
Hall, Nisbet, McCallum, Campbell, Fleming, Gordon
Bobbie Madison Hall - Chicago, usa
A family reunion is an effective form of birth control in my family.
Hi Sylvia and all
Have you checked the OPR CD Rom at the LDS Family History Centre? It gives
you the film and frame number from which the event was extracted. It will be
the St. Quivox parish register. Then you can order out the film and read it
for yourself. Very likely she was born in St. Quivox as well, and you could
find her birth there. Her father's name and occupation may be given on the
parish register entry of the marriage. As a cross reference, check the CDRom
for Robert CADDIES as well as for her.
A sweep of the St. Quivox 1851 Census may get the family living there just
before her marriage, and that would also provide her birthplace. Look under
all three names.
The Census entry for the family in KIlmaurs in 1861 should also list her
Also, check the index to civil registration for Scotland and see if you can
find her death certificate. It will list her father's name, her mother's
name, including the maiden name, and her maiden name. LDS Family History
Centres have some of the Scottish certificates on file. If they don't have
the year you need, you may have to send to Edinburgh for it. The Parish no.
for St. Quivox is 612, and for Kilmaurs is 598. Both the Civil Registration
and Parish Registers are located through these numbers.
Hope this helps, good hunting
Dot Stutter, Victoria, BC. Canada.
From: Sylvia Darker <snorky(a)zetnet.co.uk>
To: AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:28 AM
>I am trying to trace my GGGrandmother Janet Hall,Haw or Dow. Each of
>these names has been suggested or recorded.
> She married Robert Caddies in St Quivox 3 Oct 1851,
>because of the different surnames I have not yet been able to find
>out where she was born. by 1861 they were living in Kilmaurs.
>If anyone can shed any light on Janet I would be grateful.
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Sorry to take a day or two to reply - I had to check the Cumnock
Chronicle in the catalogue of the British Newspaper Library first to
confirm a suspicion I had. Unfortunately it only started on 8 Nov
1901 so is no help to you.
It was preceded by the Cumnock Express and Mauchline and Catrine
Advertiser but the British Library only has nos. 908-2470, 7 June
1889-26 Feb. 1909 so I am not sure that started early enough for you
either. Failing these you really need local advice so I would contact:
District History Centre and Baird Institute Museum
3 Lugar Street
(Phone: 01290 421701) - closed Wednesdays
As the Baird Institute are listed as holding the Ayr Advertiser as well
as the Cumnock Chronicle I suspect that is the paper to try but I
wouldn't know for sure.
Have you come across the East Ayrshire Family History Society - it might
be worth your while joining. Their Web page is at:
Their address is care of the Baird Institute given above.
On the general point of whether a miner would have had an obituary as
opposed to a death notice, which latter is certainly possible, I think
it unlikely there would have been an obituary unless he died in a pit
accident or was noteworthy in the area for some reason but always worth
Sun, 27 Sep 1998, kat wrote:
> Hi Sheena
> Read your reply to Marg re the Cumnock Chronicle. I have an ancestor James
> Parker who died on 8.4.1883 at the Garloff Toll, Old Cumnock. He was just
> a miner, so do you think he would have had an obituary? If so, how does
> one access the Cumnock Chronicle? Could you tell me which libraries have
> it? Any help is much appreciated
> Dapto NSW Australia
> > From: SM Carter <S.M.Carter(a)bristol.ac.uk>
> > To: AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: OLD CUMNOCK NEWSPAPER
> > Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:20 AM
> > Marg,
> > The Cumnock Chronicle is and was the paper for the area. I found a nice
> > obituary for my great-grandfather who died in 1915 in it though it was
> > a bit long on character and short on fact!
> > Sheena Carter
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I am trying to trace my GGGrandmother Janet Hall,Haw or Dow. Each of
these names has been suggested or recorded.
She married Robert Caddies in St Quivox 3 Oct 1851,
because of the different surnames I have not yet been able to find
out where she was born. by 1861 they were living in Kilmaurs.
If anyone can shed any light on Janet I would be grateful.
This is only the second time that I have ever sent a message to one of these
lists.I will start by listing who Iam interested in researching.
My father is Earnest Colin ORR b 1930 Kilmarnock his mother was Leano May
TOZER b 1900 Malta d 1968 Oxford Her mother was Jessie Leano VERNEY b1875
her father was Frederick Thomas Alfred TOZERb1871 Devonport d1947 Torpoint.
Jessie Verneys father was Henry VERNEY.Frederick Tozers father was Thomas
My fathers father was William ORR b1896 Kilmarnock d 1936. He was first
married to Elizabeth GRACIE and had 3 children with her John,William &
Thomas.With Leano May TOZER her had 3 children Jessie,Earnest Colin and
My father married Mary Lily MAIR from Fife.They had 2 children Sandra and
Moira (me).We emigrated to Australia in 1970.
This is all a bit of a muddle.If anyone recognises anyone in the above.I
would appreciate any help offered.
I think I have not sent my interests to the list since joining a few
weeks ago, so here goes:
There was a man names John Carrick, b 1712, d 1812 in Adams Co.,
Pennsylvania, USA. In about 1730-1750 he settled in that area,
although at the time it was considered to be a part of the state of
Maryland. The area he lived in was a land grant to a Charles Carrol
called "Carrol's Delight". This land was largely setteled by people
who we in the US call Scots-Irish and those in the UK & Ireland call
At the same time there were two other CARRICK men in a nearby area,
James and Samuel. Certain documents tie these three men together.
James and Samuel lived in or near Emmitsburgh, Frederick Co.,
Maryland, USA, adjacent to the land where John lived. I assume that
these 3 were brothers - they were almost certainly kin.
Does anybody have any record of 3 Carrick men with these names (or
just 1 or 2 of them for that matter) leaving N. Ireland or Scotland
around this time for the US?
Even if you just have information on CARRICKs in general I would be
interested in hearing about them. (Not counting Robert the Bruce,
Marjorie and all of those folks - I am not interested in following
all that stuff until I can tie myself to them.)
AHWBGA. (Any Help Would Be Greatly Appreciated. - see, that's how
these things get started - I just made that one up.)
See web page to join CARRICK/KERRICK Mail list
web page: http://www.cyberramp.net/~gcarrick
Researching: CARRICK, LITTLE, SHANKLIN, SANFORD,
MOORE, GAMBLE, VAN VLECK, & MCELHINNEY.
Gil Carrick, 1012 Portofino Dr., Arlington, TX, 76012
This is an extract taken from Robert Henderson's "More Scottish
Keeriosities" St Andrew Press 1995. I'd better declare an interest:
Bob's my brother-in-law :-)
Before the advent of 'seven-day opening' supermarkets there were shops,
and before shops there were not-so-super markets where goods and
livestock were traded on only one or two days a week.
Markets, super or otherwise, have come to be associated with towns. In
the early days, the right to hold a market was restricted to burghs and
this lucrative privilege was publicised the presence of a mercat cross.
A mercat cross was seen as a status symbol and was viewed as the
mediaeval equivalent of a modern shopping centre. To ensure it was
suitably prominent, the cross was usually tall stone shaft raised up on
steps and capped by some sort of insignia. To confuse matters, few
mercat crosses were topped by a cross. A notable exception can be seen
at Ormiston, East Lothian, where there is a fifteenth century cross.
Royal burghs, with charters granted by the king, usually publicised
their special status by crowning their crosses with heraldic beasts like
unicorns. Many fine examples exist, particularly in Fife within the
former royal burghs.
The most ornate of the original crosses are the seventeenth century
versions at Preston, East Lothian, and Aberdeen. The latter has a
unique series of what may be irreverently described as royal 'mug
shots', with a display of ten carved stone portraits of all the Stewart
kings. Both crosses are within circular rotunda from which the town
crier used to make announcements. In this way mercat crosses took on
the role not only of shopping centre, but also of local newspaper.
At one time there were close links between going shopping and going to
church - Sunday trading was sometimes actually carried on right outside
a church. Before the Reformation, fairs and markets were often held in
churchyards, as indicated by the presence of a market cross. Moray
District still has a number of examples within churchyards, such as that
of St Peter's Church at Duffus. A close connection between church and
shop can also be seen at Kirriemuir, Angus, where a number of houses
have windows facing on to the churchyard to allow goods to be sold on
days when fairs were held.
Ken BULLEN wrote:
> Hi All
> Just received some information that need a little clarification...
> "The Mecat Cross is sited on the Crossbrae immediately in front of the old
> Mason's Howff, No 24 Main Street, Kilwinning."
> (1) What is "The Mercat or Mecat Cross" ?
> (2) What is "The Crossbrae" ?
> (3) What is "The Old Mason's Howff ? (is this a misspelling of House ?)
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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> Cyndi's List - Over 30,000 links in over 70 categories!
8th May 2000
Hi to all!
The names above all belong to my Family who lived in the Dalry area prior to 1850. In 1850 William Morris and his wife Margaret Dunlop, came with her family, (father John, mother Elizabeth Stirrat) to Australia. I have found local evidence of Stirrat, (I believe he was the Post Master), when we visited Dalry in 1998. John Dunlop's brother James was the Astronomer Royal in Sydney from 1831 to 1848. I have some biographical info on James but unfortunately none on John. I have no info on William Morris other than his mother's name, Jane Chalmers and the fact that his father had died prior to 1850. She was still living in 1850.
I would love to hear from any relations no matter how remote.
Sue McLachlan nee Morris
I am looking for any information about James TEMPLETON. James married
Margaret WILSON march 29, 1794 Dreghorn, Ayr, Scotland.
Their Children were:
John- born 1795
Margaret- born 1797
Thomas- born 1799
James- born 1801
William- born 1803
Robert- born 1805
Adam- born 1810
Janet- born 1815
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:01:13 -0800
>From: Gemmell <gemmell(a)ptialaska.net>
>Subject: Cumnock Chronicle
>The local paper is the:
>49 Ayr Road
>Cumnock, KA18 1ED
>Phone (01290) 423 851
>I was in Cumnock 21-31 Aug to visit my cousin and thoroughly enjoyed it.
The Baird Institute in Cumnock has a family history section that was very
>Tom in Juneau, Alaska
Meg Healey asked:
>My Gr Grandfather Alexander Wyllie ARMOUR was born in Kilmarnock
>in 1852. His parents were John ARMOUR and Marion Gilmour WYLLIE.
>His parents were married in Stewarton in 1849. According to the
>1851 census they were both born in Stewarton.
>I'd love to hear from any fellow researchers with an interest in
>either of these surnames.
I've got some Armours from down in Ayrshire, mainly from Fenwick, a couple
of miles from Stewarton but a bit before yours. Have a look at my home page
and see if you think there might be any connection. I'd type them all in
here but it would take quite a bit of time and they're all already on the
East Kilbride, Lanarkshire
Barbara Rodger wrote:-
"My gt gt grandparents, JAMES BLUE & MARY MARTIN were married in Ardrossan
>in 1818, but their family were all born in Kilbirnie, Ayrshire. I'd be
>very pleased to hear about your Blue? of Kilmarnock related to Ardrossan
Re: BLUE. My gt-grandmother Margaret GOODWIN was born 17- 11-
Her parents were Francis GOODWIN and Margaret HOOKS (formerly BLUE)
They were married in Irvine on 10 - 2 - 1853. Margaret HOOKS
(formerly BLUE) - her parents may have been Edward and Janet. At this
time I have no idea why her name was changed from BLUE to HOOKS. Possibly
she was married before or her mother was. Margaret BLUE/HOOKS had 2
children that I know of Margaret and John. She died 9 - 4 - 1885. At 1
Clyde View Ardrossan, from congestion of the lungs.
Any information on HOOKS or BLUE would be appreciated.
Thanks for all the replies on BLUE so far.
Hi I am new to the list, and I am researching WILLIAMSON and KERR in
Greenock area in 19c. Is anyone out there doing the same. My
Willimasons were involved in shipbuilding - carpenters etc.
I am interested in a number of families from Kirkoswald, all connected to
my Clark family.
John CLARK married Mary HUNTER in 1844
Robert FULTON married Margaret CLARK in 1850
Thomas GORDON married Alanar CLARK in 1860
Thomas JOHNSTON married Ann Clark in 1863
Hugh CLARK married Letitia STEWART in 1866
All married at Kirkoswald. Is there anyone out there researching these
At 08:30 26/09/98 , Irene Mitchell wrote:
>>Was there a sanatorium, or maybe a workhouse at Troon Harbour?
>There was (is?) a Miners' Welfare Home in Troon but I think it was set up as
>a holiday home, not a sanatorium. The Home was located at the top of
>Templehill, near the harbour. I am sure someone will have more up-to-date
Irene and Jackie,
The Ayrshire District Welfare Committee acquired Kirkmichael House in the
as a convalescent home for miners and their sons from Ayrshire, Dumfriesshire
and Argyll. Kirkmichael House was a large country house near Maybole set in
109 acres of grounds. In 1924, the Committee acquired Portland Villa, Troon
close to the seashore as a convalescent home for miner's wives and daughters.
These homes were purchased under the Mining Industry Act of 1920 and financed
by a £30,000 endowment. The upkeep of the homes was sustained by the income
from the endowment and a two pence per week levy from the men working in the
Kirkmichael House was closed in 1956 and the men removed to Troon, which
a home for 24 men and 24 women until it too was closed.
But these 20th century institutions are far to late for Jackie's ancestor.
There clearly was a poorhouse or equivalent at Troon Harbour.
Yours aye, Iain - in Windsor in the former county of Berkshire
Web Page at http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/index.htm
Rootsweb Sponsor Listowner for the KERR; McTURK and SOUTHON lists at
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From: cstutter <cstutter(a)home.com>
To: scrocker(a)mcmail.com <scrocker(a)mcmail.com>
Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Maybole & Crosshill families
>Especially to "Susan" and "Don"
>Please get in touch. My mother was a MURRAY from Maybole, and we may be
>to help each other. My earliest Murray was DAVID MURRAY, b. abt. 1792, d.
>1881 in Kirkoswald. He also was Free Kirk. My research seems to confirm
>this family was "settled" in the Ulster Plantation, but returned to
>around 1800 or so. I have many entries of individuals born in "Ireland" who
>have siblings born in Maybole/Kirkoswald/Kirkmichael, and who married and
>raised their families in Scotland. I have been told that the family were
>originally Highlanders from the north, and they were woollen weavers. Some
>were shoemakers. I also know the area is swarming with Murrays!
>The "Free Kirk" was a group that considered the "Established Church" to be
>the "English Church" and didn't care to express loyalty to the English
>crown. They have since, I understand, more or less settled their
>differences. (and if you believe that, you didn't grow up in a Scottish
>family!) Check the archives. Last week there was a great explanation of the
>relationship between the Scottish church and politics.
>Anxious to hear from you.
>Dot Stutter, Victoria, BC. Canada. cstutter(a)home.com
>From: Susan <scrocker(a)mcmail.com>
>To: cstutter <cstutter(a)home.com>
>Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 11:21 AM
>Subject: Re: Maybole & Crosshill families
>>I've found out just this week that my g.g.g.grandmother was an Elizabeth
>>Murray who supposedly married Thomas McRonald. They had 3 children in
>>Maybole from abt. 1795 onwards, but I can find no trace of the marriage
>>in Ayrshire and had wondered if Elizabeth was Irish and they married in
>>her country. I was interested in your message obviously. One of the
>>children - Harriet went on to marry a woollen weaver, by the name of
>>Sorry if this seems a bit of a pointless and disjointed reply, but at
>>times my family tree is full of disjointed known facts! By the way,
>>what's the difference between Free Kirk and established church? pardon
>>Regards, Sue Crocker
My Mary BLUE/BLEW was the daughter of Donald BLUE/BLEW and Agnes GRAY.
I know that she died 10 Dec 1862 at Kilbirnie, Ayr at the age of 76,
the widow of John GILLIES, farmer. I believe from census notes that
she was born Carradale, Kintyre, Argyll. She married John GILLIES in
1808 at Erskine, Renfrew.
My line is through son Niel GILLIES who married Helen Mackie MARSHALL
in 1855 at Kilbirnie.
I would be very interested to know of others searching along these
lines.....and especially BLUE/BLEW, which likely originated in Argyll.
There is a site on the internet 'The National Blue Family Association'
which may be of interest.
Bye for now,
British Columbia, Canada
I am new to the list. Researching the ADAMS family (Alexander, John,
James, John, etc) and their allied families - BROWNLIE, CAMPBELL, LENNOX,
MURRAY, WARREN, McCREADIE. Can anyone help on this search?
>Was there a sanatorium, or maybe a workhouse at Troon Harbour?
There was (is?) a Miners' Welfare Home in Troon but I think it was set up as
a holiday home, not a sanatorium. The Home was located at the top of
Templehill, near the harbour. I am sure someone will have more up-to-date