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>Out of curiosity, does it seem likely that there would be
>for those who had been craftsmen, such as shoemakers?
>Or the fisherfolk that lived in Irvine? Conceivably they had a boat,
>so might have had that much to dispose of... Do you suppose it's
**** One of the oddities of life is that you DO sometimes find shoemakers
and other tradespeople whom you might not expect to have much to leave. I
have seldom found fisherfolk however.
If you have an Irvine family and can get back to pre-1750, the 2 vols. of
the "Muniments of Irvine" can throw up mentions of tradespeople of all
kinds. The muniments go back as far as the 1400s, but the earlier documents
are more to do with landowners.
Gordon Johnson, Aberdeen, Scotland.
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As I understand it, all were required to file an inventory whether they
had goods or not--it was a taxable item and they had to prove a value in
order to determine the tax. So I've seen inventories on relatively
little, unless they were totally indigent. My gggf had a sack of flour,
a case of lemon oil, worthless stock shares and some pictures held by a
daughter. Often it was just clothes and bedding.
M.J. Jodoin, Seattle, WA, USA
After seeing questions from many individuals from different lists on the dates of the census' in Scotland, I wanted to send everyone the dates for
Scotland's census dates. Enjoy.
7th June 1841
31st March 1851
8th April 1861
3rd April 1871
4th April 1881
5th April 1891
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Am seeking info on a David Stewart, born in Ayr, Scotland, in 1823 and who
came to New York when about 14 years old. Sometime later he moved to
Portsmouth, Scioto County, Ohio. He married Elizabeth Adams there on Sept. 9,
1845. He left OH and moved to Muscatine County, Iowa in 1858. Census
information indicates that he may have had two brothers, Hugh and William. If
true, David's father and mother would have been Hugh Stewart and Jeannette
(Janet) Forsythe. Would like info to prove if David's father and mother is
really Hugh and Jeannette and other info on the Stewart/Forsythe family.
looking for information on donald MCNAB born ?1833 to archibald MCNAB and
mary NICHOL/MCNICHOL married 1831. known children margaret,christina born
in barony lanark.have tried various counties to try to find donald, who may
have been christened daniel without any success. donald known to have
migrated to australia around 1859 and was a master monumental mason.have
much information on the australian side if anyone wants to share.thanks
Thanks Bob & Dot & Gordon,
I now feel like I actually have a grasp of the documentation
likely to be found!
This is why I love these forums (forii? :)
Gordon, your answer, succinct as ever, was much appreciated!
I now understand that I'll not be looking for Sasines for the
'unlanded lot' but have a chance to find testaments or perhaps
inventories for those who had some worldly goods to pass along.
Out of curiosity, does it seem likely that there would be
for those who had been craftsmen, such as shoemakers?
Or the fisherfolk that lived in Irvine? Conceivably they had a boat,
so might have had that much to dispose of... Do you suppose it's
cheers to all!
Bobbie Madison Hall - Chicago, usa
A family reunion is an effective form of birth control in my family.
Hello to all of you interested in reading about the life and times of an
Located at the following address, you will find "Scenes from an Artists
Life" written by J.K.Hunter (1802-1873) who was apprenticed as a shoemaker
in Dundonald in his younger days. There are many names mentioned and some
descriptions of locals or friends of Hunter. Dundonald features greatly in
the first twelve chapters though Hunter travels back and forth in
time/location in his memoirs.
Beware, there are 31 chapters!
At the end of this home page, you can 'return to Prose' to see what else is
offered and from that page, go back to the 'STARN main page'. Good
I am looking for information on the families of the following :
William Crawford born 1789 (Dalry ,Ayrshire) died 1857 (King
Township,Ontario,Canada) and his wife-
Catherine McKaig born 1796 (Dalry?) died 1886 (King Township,Ontario).
William 's father was named Thomas -no other information available
Wiiliam and Catherine had two children:
Margaret born 1837? (Dalry) died 1918 (King Township, Ontario)
Alexander born 1838 (Dalry) died 1872 (King Township,Ontario)
All of the above settled in Canada in 1857 and their first public action
was to donate to the community a portion of their land for a school that
remained in operation for the next hundred years . Detailed information
is available on the descendants of both Margaret and William.
If possible we would like to identify siblings, parents and other
relatives \ of William Crawford and/or Catherine McKaig.
In tracing the family for this branch of the Crawford family it may be
useful to consider connections with the following who are believed to
be cousins of William:
John Crawford (late of Buchand? in the parish of Dalry) died March, 1848
in Canada at the age of 58 years.
Margaret Raeside (wife of John Crawford) died January 1875 in Canada at
the age of 78 years.
Ann Crawford born in Dalry, died in Canada September,1902 at the age of
Robert Crawford born in Dalry ,died March 1903 in Canada at the age of
John R Crawford born March, 1852, (place of bith not confirmed) died in
Canada in April 1882
I would appreciate any information that anyone may have that could
assist in this search.
With thanks in advance,
Hello Fellow List Members:
Is anyone researching the DEAN family of Dundonald?
William DEAN (DEIN) married Janet DALRYMPLE 16 Aug 1803, Dundonald, Ayr.
Susanna chr. 16 Oct 1803, Dundonald
Margaret chr. 16 Oct 1803 "
James chr. 17 Oct 1805 "
James DEAN married Jean SCOTT, 11 Sep 1829, Dundonald.
Susan chr. 20 Dec 1829, Dundonald
Mary chr. 05 Jun 1831 "
James chr. 03 Feb 1833 "
Robert chr. 19 Jul 1835 "
Jean chr. 02 Oct 1836 "
Agnes chr. 11 Jul 1839 "
Margaret chr. 18 Oct 1840 "
Robert chr. 16 Jul 1843 "
William chr. Nov 1846 "
David Martin was a pupil of Allan Ramsay. He was born in Anstruther in
1737, the son of a schoolmaster, and may have trained under Richard
Cooper, the engraver, brfore he joined Ramsay in his teens. He spent
many months in Rome with Ramsay in 1755, and stayed with him until 1769
as his chief assistant. He moved to Edinburgh in 1775. He still had an
address in Dean St., Soho, London, in 1778. He became the chief portrait
painter in Edinburgh. He was appointed Painter to the Prince of Wales
(George IV). Late in life he married a lady of fortune and lived for a
few years in London. He returned to Scotland after his wife's death,
where he died in 1797 at his house in St. James' Square. He was a member
of the Society of Antiquaries and of the Royal Company of Archers.
Bonnie M. Fountain
Specialist in Lowland Scottish and Ulster Genealogy
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) "Anne C. Paisley"
>Was interested to read that some people have access to books regarding
Scottish painters. Does anyone have any info re David MARTIN, the
>==== AYRSHIRE Mailing List ====
>"Each of us is all the sums he has not counted" - Thomas Clayton Wolfe
If anyone on the list lives in Irvine or Kilwinning, or has access to the
M.I's for these areas, and is willing to do some lookups for me, I'd love to
hear from you. Please contact me at the address below for details.
(searching for FLECK, BRYSON, HAMILTON, HUNTER, BURNS, GEDDES, in and around
Anne C. Paisley wrote:
> Dear Folks,
> Was interested to read that some people have access to books regarding
> Scottish painters. Does anyone have any info re David MARTIN, the portrait
> Thank you.
> Anne Paisley
> ==== AYRSHIRE Mailing List ====
> "Each of us is all the sums he has not counted" - Thomas Clayton Wolfe
I'm not sure if this is the "David Martin" to which you referred but am
sending along this info which I found on the website of The Leith
Gallery, Edinburgh. (http://www.the-leith-gallery.co.uk/ar_dm.htm )
"David Martin was born in Glasgow in 1922. He studied at Glasgow School
of Art under Hugh Crawford and David Donaldson. During the war he served
with the RAF from 1942 to 1946. In 1949 he was elected a member of the
Royal Glasgow Institute and not long after Vice-President of the Royal
Scottish Society of Painters in Watercolours."
Hope this proves helpful,
Cathy B.J. Moir (Ontario, Canada)
Researching DUNSMUIR, LAWSON, McCORMICK/McCORMACK, SUTTIE/SOUTTIE, SYM,
and countless others...
What time period is covered for that email search for wills?
Robert J. Duff wrote:
> Hi all-
> This message is in response to the one sent by Bobbie Hall (see
> below). With regards to my message concerning the searching for and
> obtaining a copy of an ancestors will, I never did receive an answer from
> the list. I took matters into my own hands and searched the GRO homepage.
> Through a link from that page I found that the wills/sasines were not at
> the GRO, but instead they listed and e-mail address to which I promtly
> wrote for an answer to my question. My goal with this whole search in to
> find something that belonged to my great great grandmother. A lofty goal,
> but the historical personal reward would make the search worth it. Anyway,
> back to the e-mail address for wills, it is <research(a)sro.gov.uk>.
> about 10 days later I sent another e-mail with the same request and later
> that day I got a reply. Sadly for me, no will existed for my great great
> End of story. I still don't know exactly how to obtain a copy of a will
> from the USA.
> I hope this helps someone.
> Bob Duff
> Bob Duff wrote:
> >Hi all-
> > How do find a will, if one exists in Dreghorn Parish?
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Bob Duff
First posting to this group.
John Elliot married Margaret Cowan on the 26th November,1796 in St
Quivox,Ayrshire.They had the following children-
William,Jean,Andrew,John Cowan,Margaret and
Any connections to this line greatly appreciated.
There are a large number of Scottish artists named Bone. I've combed a
number of my books for the following:
Muirhead Bone (1876-1953), painter and etcher. Native of Glasgow.
Studied Glasgow School of Art. Official war artist, 1916-18. Official
Admiralty artist,1939-46. Trustee National Gallery, Tate Gallery and
Imperial War Museum; N.E.A.,1902. Knighted,1937. Collection of his work
in the Tate. Additional: Glasgow, 1897; Ayr, 1900; London, 1902;
Petersfield, Hants., 1913. There's a wonderful etching of his in the
Glasgow Art Gallery & Museum called 'The Dry Dock', 1899. Bone moved to
London after his first successes in Scotland.
Other Scottish BONE artists include Sir Muirhead's son Stephen Bone
(1904-1958) who married Mary Adshead; Phyllis Mary Bone (b. 1894), b.
Hornby near Lancashire, lived in Kirkcudbright, sculptor, studied
Edinburgh College of Art; William Drummond Bone (exhibited 1929-40), Ayr;
Freda C. Bone (exhibited 1928-32), Underwood, Helensburgh,
Dumbartonshire; J. Craigie Bone (exhibited 1911-14), 45 Marchmont Rd.,
There is a wonderful 'Dictionary of Scottish Art and Architecture' by
Peter J. M. McEwan, due to be republished this summer, I believe, in
Scotland. I corresponded with the author a few years ago regarding a
cousin of mine, John Murray Thomson, b. 1885, who was a well known
Scottish painter of animals (our family was and is from Ayrshire). All
the libraries should have the first edition (1995), which I saw recently
in the Carnegie Library, Ayr. If you can find it, there should be much
more biographical information than I gave you. If you learn that the new
edition has been released, I wish you'd let me know, because I want a
Bonnie M. Fountain
Specialist in Lowland Scottish and Ulster Genealogy
On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:35:19 +0100 Lesley Bone <brazens(a)globalnet.co.uk>
>Apart from being an WW1 artist, does anyone have any other details on
>I believe I'm related somehow, but not sure where the link might be.
>Many thanks for your help
Have you tried the Stewart List? There is one and a Stewart Clan.....I
My John Stuart(Stewart) had a brother David and he was in Va around
His brother was Archibald Stuart and Capt John Stuart of Augusta County
Archibald became a Judge and is buried at Tinkling Springs Pres Church
Fishersville, Va. John moved to North carolina where part of his
born and then to Wilkes Cty Ga. He was killed by the Indians and Col
stated so in his recommendation for bountyland, 250 acres and John
bought 33 acres.
After his death, his sons, James, Robert and Charles, and dau Lydia are
in the transactions......James did not pay tax, had to go to court,
Robert took up
the land and became the owner. He eventually sold and moved to Pickens
SC where he and his son Robert bought land on Crowe Creek. This is all
in land records, and court house records. Robert and John were my
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From: Lesley Bone <brazens(a)globalnet.co.uk>
To: AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <AYRSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 24 October 1998 13:51
Subject: Muirhead Bone
Extract from "The Dictionary of Scottish Painters" Paul Harris and Julian
Bone, Sir Muirhead 1876-1953
NEAC 1902, Knighted 1937, HRSA 1951, (HRIBA 1937) RE, HRWS
Born Glasgow he studied at GSA and with ARCHIBALD KAY, moving to London in
1901, having also trained as an architect. This interest in architecture was
soon revealed in his powerful drawings in charcoal with wash depicting
Gothic cathedrals or Norman doorways, executed before 1910. During the First
World War, Bone acted as an official war artist, and his drawings and
watercolours of the Somme Battlefield executed in 1916 are amongst the most
moving images of the war. In 1917 he worked with the Grand Fleet, and a
selection of both series were subsequently published as The Western Front
and With the Grand Fleet. Between the wars Bone worked extensively in
Europe, visiting Spain, France, Holland and Italy and producing not only
drawings but also etchings. During the 1939-45 war he acted as an official
War Artist. Muirhead Bone and JAMES MCBEY are amongst the finest Scottish
draughtsmen of their period.
This may not add anything to what you know about him as an artist but the
dates may be useful.
This list is an enjoyable read with all the different needs of us as
readers of this group.
I thought it was time it post. Here is a list of people I am
Margaret Mitchill Good - born may 1833 Paisley, Scotland
- father james Shearer Good
- mother Magdalene Nichol
James Shearer Good - Born 28 Jul 1802
- father John Good
- mother Ann Smylie
John Good - born 2 Jun 1787
- father is William Good
- maother is Margaret McLatchie
Ann Smylie - Born 31 Jan 1768 in Dalray, Ayrshire
- father John Smeilly
- mother Mary Cambpell
John Smeilly - Married 26 feb 1766
- wife is Mary Campbell
William Good - died in New Cummnock, Ayr
Margaret Mclatchie - born 12 July 1746
- born @ Ochiltree, Ayr
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