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Thanks to Tim Millar (see below) and others who replied both off and on the
list to my enquiry re the intricacies of the LDS Family History Centre and
on getting Scottish Index Entry No's.
Ireland (Ex Kilmarnock)
>Tim Millar said:-
>Each LDS Family History Center has a basic issue of material. Normally
>Ancestral File, IGI and the Catalog of material available to order from
>the LIBRARY in Salt Lake City are available on CD-ROM, and there is a
>fiche version of the catalog. There are no films or fiches of actual
>resources at the FHC unless a patron has ordered them on Temporary or
>Indefinite Loan, or the FHC has ordered them (see below).
>The catalog will help you find out what you may order (basically an
>Interlibrary loan) from SLC. Fiches are automatically on Indefinite Loan
>for the minimal fee charged. Films come for one month, and you may renew
>for two more months by paying two more monthly fees - after which those
>films are on Indefinite Loan. If not renewed, the films go back to SLC
>promptly so that the FHC isn't charged
>Patrons who are actively working on ancestors in a particular parish
>(Kilmarnock or Galston, for example) usually elect to pay for census and
>Old Parish Record (OPR's) to be on Indefinite Loan so that they and
>others will have access whenever they want at the local FHC.
>In addition, if the FHC is large or has generous patrons, they *may*
>order certain frequently-requested material on Indefinite Loan - such as
>the Scottish Statutory Registration Index films. But this is an option
>subject to local church funding and the generosity of patrons.
>Many FHC's may elect to "stock" various materials of local interest. On
>Cape Cod we decided to get a set of Barnstable County Federal Census
>from 1800 to 1920 and received a gift from the Cape Cod Genealogical
>Society to pay for the Indefinite Loan of the films. That's 12 films,
>but our FHC has absolutely no storage space for any *major* additional
>collection such as the Index films, nor the money to pay for them.
>I am not a member of LDS, but I volunteer at the FHC and can tell you
>that this branch is neither large nor particularly wealthy. Consequently
>all the Kilmarnock, Neilston, Eastwood and other Scottish and English
>parish census and OPR films on Indefinite Loan at the Brewster FHC came
>out of my pocket.
>Thought you'd like to understand how the system works so that your
>expectations will be met. Before you go to your local FHC, call to find
>out their hours and the availablitiy of their film/fiche and computers -
>we only have two of each in a very small space and reservations are
>mandatory. And ask if material that interests you is currently on
>Hope this helps!
>Cape Cod, Massachusetts
Maureen Kuzyk gave great information(see below) re getting 1855-1875
death cert and other info through the LDS. Armed with this info I took
myself of to the nearest Irish LDS Family history centre (250 mile round
Unfortunately they didn't have the indexes for any Scottish Civil
registration events so I could get no entry Nos for the events required .
They said .."I would have to get these from a Scottish LDS centre? "
Is this the case? I was not really in a position to question them on this?
I can get hold of the second part of the equation ie the Parish Film Nos.
Don't get me wrong I am extremely greatful to the LDS for what they have
done especially by putting out their info On-Line and for providing access
to material through these family History centres but as it was my first
visit to such a Centre I am not sure of what standard of sevice they
normally provide .
Any advice on how to proceed on this?.
Ireland (Ex Kilmarnock)
> I have a pre written message abt.
>ordering certificates from Salt Lake. I have never used Scots
>Origins as you have to know exactly who you are looking for and
>exactly where in Scotland etc. to get results on there. Since you
>are able to get to a Family hist centre try the following,
>You can get certs from Salt Lake for Civil Registration, for the
>years 1855 until 1875 and also the yrs. 1881 and 1891 ONLY. Those
>are the only Civ. Reg. years the LDS have on film for Scotland.
>Other years of Civil Reg. have to ordered from Scotland or Eng. (or
>wherever) Reg. offices, or sometimes people order them using a Fam
>Hist. Soc. which has volunteers to look up the entries in Britain,
>for so many pounds per entry.
>Previous to 1855 there were no birth, marr. or d. certs for
>Scotland......the only record was whatever was written in the parish
>register and that may be what you have already found on a parish
>film. Salt Lake will have it but it will be what you have already
>read, so no use sending for that as you will be able to make a copy
>of it at the fam. hist. centre where you read the film.
>The only time to send to Salt Lake for a record from the OPR prev.
>to 1855 is if you have found an entry on the OPR FICHE and do not
>want to order in the whole parish film for just one entry. Those are
>priced at $2 US ea. I believe, I have not ever ordered any but know
>people who have. Forms are at the LDS centres.
>If what you have found is between 1855-75 or in 1881, 1891 you have
>to look up the ENTRY # for the NAME and PLACE the event happened, on
>the INDEX film for the YEAR the event happened, it will be called
>something like.......Births in Scotland 1855, Marrs. in Scot. 1855
>Deaths in...... etc. (or Ireland)
>After you get the entry # for the correct name and place, you look
>up the PARISH film # for births in say 1855, or parish film # for
>marriages 1855 or parish film # for deaths 1855, they are at David
>Wills home page,
>then.......... you get a form # 31768 from the LDS centre to write
>in all those #s, ie. entry, name, parish and year, you can order 8
>entries on one form, they cost 25c US ea. or $2. US for 8. Much
>the cheapest way to get records!
>The LDS centre should have the forms and have volunteers to help you
>do all this. The order usually takes from 6-8 weeks.
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