First of all. Sally. I have fold3 account, it belongs to ancestry. I
was looking through the Military records, Militia or otherwise, when I
couldnt access all of the records to and from Charles by the New Zealand
Military, so I then did a Google search and the National archives of
Australia came up. They appeared more complete and there were 66
pages, I read through them all. Some of the pages were back to front.
They were the same pages Peter had sent to you via the list. You will
have to read through them all as I did to see the pages where Charles
has listed where he served at various times.
At the age of 16, On Ancestry.com
. I have UK Heritage Plus, but I am
sure it is also on the Australian versian. There are the UK Apprentices
Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1820-1910.
Born at Cork, aged 16, Bound 20-5-1878, Registered at Liverpool. Term
four years. To whom bound, Robert Low, Greenshields, Liverpool. So he
was four years until he was 20 or thereabouts. It is an official record
list. Record no 1615
Unless you have a subscription or you can go to your local library, you
may not get to read this.
New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853-1981
1919, Bay of Plenty, Roturua. Burgess, Charles muitford, Oturoa School.
Ngongotaha, Head Teacher.
As for Cork,Butterdean, to not being wrong, just a transcription error.
It wasnt right so it had to be wrong. There is a big difference between
Butterdean which is situated in Berwickshire, on the Northern English
and Scottish border and Buttevant, Cork, Ireland. I was looking for a
Barracks as it doesnt state Barracks, not even in the Family History of
the Snowdens. The only place it mentions it is a Barracks was in Charles
Mitfords Letter in 1910.There was a lot of reading, to get to that
There is a gap from the end of his Apprenticeship in the Merchant navy
from 1882 to 1887 when he appears on the Freemasons list on ancestry at
Georgetown, Demerara. He was in British Guyana from 1887, 1888, 1889.
As a Planter. It is an official list.
From 1890. he was promoted to 2nd Lieutenant with the 5th Rifle Brigade
and trained with the scottish Rifles. was still there in 1892.
1895 Then he was in Hounslow (where Heathrow airport is close by) June,
1898 August, Scottish Rifles, Lanark
1900 he had command of the musketry camp at Gravesend, kent
1901, 9 Dec Promoted to Major.
1902 Woolwich, kent
1905 He left the militia, 4th Battalion Rifle Brigade at that stage
militia training and Office work,
1907 August. resigned commission, with permission to retain and wear the
All this came from the National Archives of Australia. 66 pages.
Fold 3 had as their reference. UK, British Army lists 1882-1962. content
source is The National archives of the UK, dated October.1902.
Short description. List of individuals who served in the British Army
from 1882-1962. Year range 1882-1962. In an old official book it just
Burgess, Charles M. 9 Dec 01.
There is another ref for him also on ancestry in UK Hart Annual Army
list 1908 for CMitford Burgess. That is to do with the one award he had
be given by Queen Victoria.
England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemasons Membership Registers
1751-1921, Georgetown, Demerara
same for his father.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Sally Nolan" <sallynolan531(a)hotmail.com>
To: "eamca1944(a)bigpond.com" <eamca1944(a)bigpond.com>;
Sent: Wednesday, 6 Nov, 2019 At 11:07 AM
Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: British Army records for India, Major Charles
Hi Edie ,
Thank you for your interest, however you do rather confuse things.
Peter referred me to NZ Archives.
The Major does NOT appear in the Australian Archives where you refer to
his Military file.
I found no actual Military records, only his own letters setting out
his career (NZ archives).
Bob referred to several names in a tree on Ancestry, he did not 'send'
it to me.
Charles Mitford Burgess birth at Buttevants Barracks, Cork is not in
The 1891 Scotland Census is not wrong, I take the spelling to be a
Can you give me a source for him being in British Guiana please?
Do you have a source for him joining the 5th Batt Scottish Rifles and
training in Scotland from 1890-1895 as you stated?
His own letter says he only trained with them for a month in 1890?
You say he resigned his commission because of sickness in 1905? Source
I read it that he resigned in 1907, mostly from lack of money.
You are quite right in saying he never served in India. As he was in the
Militia, not the regular army,
he was only required to attend about one month every year, although he
seems to have done a little more as he was an officer. Officers usually
were suggested for appointment by local land-owner, and had to pay for
their own kit etc. They did sit exams etc for their rank which were
equal to regular army. . His main occupation seems to have been
Finally you say he was Head Teacher at Otaroa School, Do you have a
I have only seen his appointment in 1917 as a relieving teacher? He
was at Paparata School when he died in 1921.
It may be best if you reply to me off list.
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