November 2019 - AUS-TASMANIA

by Maree Ring

This may interest those with convict ancestry - but you might know all of it by now? https://headlinesofold.blogspot.com/2019/11/convicts-in-tasmania-c1831-ab... I will add the following comments to what is already written on this blog... "A convict’s crime is usually listed on their conduct record and most are now linked from the search name. Con 31 and Con 33 for males and Con 40 and Con 41 for females are linked.Some of the auxiliary records may not be but finding the Police number for your convict will help. This is found on the left hand side next the convict's name and is consistent for all records pertaining to one particular person. Libraries Tasmania have a link to the convict records they hold... https://libraries.tas.gov.au/family-history/Pages/Convict-life.aspx If a person has a convict with a common name... Founders and Survivors may help in help to distinguish between them - with some personal details, in many cases including age, where convicted and their native place and sometimes occupation.http://www.foundersandsurvivors.org/pubsearch/ Also theConvict Panopticon has lots of information about convicts and worth looking at their pages.The convict search page is https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/search There is page with convict abbreviations, too, to help read and transcribe Tasmanian Convict records - something I started some 20+ years ago..http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/conabbrev.html" Cheers Maree

1 week

Re: Ernest DAFT

by Peter Oakley

Hi Sally, Death of William Henry Draft in the Daily Telegraph in 1905 - : https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154006859?searchTerm=%22willia... There was a daughter Ada born in 1905 (linked as Laft) - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C95P-WWMX-5?i=1&cc=24001... In the WW1 dossier for Ernest Henry Daft his brother William is listed as next of kin but on the same sheet sheet in red his mother, Mrs Rose Pearson, 20 Portland Street, Launceston, Tas. is also recorded. She did marry a Pearson after Williams death in 1905 but as you say why are her parents named as Clark on the reference to marriage in 1908? There is an article in Examiner from 1898 which references the Fritchleys of Campbell Town as also being known as Clark. This has to do with a girl who was in their care as a 'foster child' . Could Rosina have been also? https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39784077?searchTerm=%22%20frit... Then looking at the marriage of Joseph Fritchley in 1874 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-33p22j2k His wife is Amelia Collender and in the 1908 marriage Rosina's mother is Amelia Collins. So could the name have been misheard or mispelt from Collender to Collins? I wish the record image was online to view. so perhaps Rosina was their child and the birth wasn't registered? Reference o death of an Albert Charles Pearson in 1917 aged 2 and 7 months. Son of Rose and the late Charles Pearson of Portland St. - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50956166?searchTerm=%22charles... So her second husband died in before 1917. Did she remarry again? Records in Carr Villa show Charles and young son buried in the same grave and their is a Rosina Pearson dying in 1968 and that puts her birth date at 1876 similar to Rose Dafts- First Names ROSINA Middle Name Last Name PEARSON Age 92 Death Date Apr 13 1968 Service Date Apr 16 1968 Site Name Carr Villa Memorial Park Area Cremation Memorials Location ROSE GARDEN Number 4 Site B6 Some thoughts to go on with anyway... Cheers, Peter > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

1 week, 2 days

Re: Ernest DAFT

by Elaine Jefferson

have checked vic and other electoral rolls nothing for Ernest Henry Daft a couple of entries for Ernest Daft but perhaps he changed his name and also I have requested a headstone photo of this person which should appear in the next 24 hours ( Ihope) elaine On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Sally Nolan <sallynolan531(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for records after 1900 on Ernest Henry DAFT, born 21/2/1900, > Mathinna, Tas > Parents Rosina nee FRITCHLEY, father William Henry DAFT. > > I have * ed the records I would like to see, if possible > His mother was later Rose PEARSON of 20 Portland St Launceston. > > * death of his father William Henry Daft,? > > A marriage in 1908 on familysearch, no image, lists a widowed Rose Daft > marrying Charles Pearson in Mathinna but she has different parents (?) > > *remarriage of Rosina nee Fritchley? Or reason why familysearch has > Clark as her parents? > > Ernest had at least two brothers, William Albert Richard Daft b 1896, > Ronald Laurence DAFT b 1902 and a sister > Florrie Pearson b 1910 later m COOMES. ? Her mother registered her, as > Pearson nee Daft, but said she had only 1 living male child? Is this the > right Rose Daft? > > * any other births to Rose/Rosina Fritchley/Daft/Pearson ? > * marriages of Ernest or his siblings > * death of Rose/Rosina > > Ernest Daft enlisted in Zeehan in 1917 saying he was 19, his records > appear to be incomplete and a bit mangled > but he was demobilised in August 1919. > > He then reappears in the Wimmera, Victoria, in St Arnaud in 1934. > Electoral Rolls list him in 1934, 36 and 1942 (I have not viewed these > in full) > > * Can anyone check address on Electoral Rolls and see if there is a > wife with him? Or if he appears later on anywhere else? > > A burial on Find a Grave, for Jan 1992 in Ouyen, Victoria is probably his. > > Thanks in anticipation > Cheers > Sally > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

1 week, 2 days

Re: Gary denholm jones

by Graeme & Wynnette Ford

Sharon, Ought to know my own family, but I mistakenly said Clarice was my father's eldest sister - not. Second eldest. :-) The Denholm is used as a middle name for each eldest son, going back to Gary's Great Grandmother Denholm when she married into the family. Wynnette -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Finn [mailto:sharonfinn@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2019 5:01 PM To: aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Gary denholm jones Hi list I have the the birth for Gary Denholm Jones, Launceston 21/2/1942 parents Reginald and Clarence, née Mansfield. Is anyone researching this family or connected to them. Regards, Sharon Finn _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: Gary denholm jones

by Graeme & Wynnette Ford

Sharon, Gary is my first cousin and I have his year of birth but not the actual date and I always assumed he was born in Hobart. I also did not know of his second name, but Denholm is part of his father's name. I saw him a few times as a child, but know nothing of him since then. His mother was Clarice Mabel/Isabel (that last name popped up from somewhere) - known as "Cissy", MANSFIELD. My father's oldest sister. If you write to me off list we can talk and tell me of your interest in him. Regards, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Finn [mailto:sharonfinn@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2019 5:01 PM To: aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Gary denholm jones Hi list I have the the birth for Gary Denholm Jones, Launceston 21/2/1942 parents Reginald and Clarence, née Mansfield. Is anyone researching this family or connected to them. Regards, Sharon Finn _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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ABC News: Why does the UK have more accents than Australia?

by Meryl Yost

Interesting article. 8-) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-26/why-does-britain-have-more-accents-th an-australia/10755972 If you think of your favourite British TV shows, one thing that stands out is the great variation in the way the actors sound. So why aren't Australians the same? Regards, Meryl Yost

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Gary denholm jones

by Sharon Finn

Hi list I have the the birth for Gary Denholm Jones, Launceston 21/2/1942 parents Reginald and Clarence, née Mansfield. Is anyone researching this family or connected to them. Regards, Sharon Finn

1 week, 3 days

Miss Hobart crash

by Beverley-Anne Rodan

Hi Maree, Chris and Edie and listers, My great grandfather Garnet Rupert Gourlay was also travelling on the Miss Hobart when it crashed. The tragedy was felt keenly on both sides of Bass Strait. So far, as far as I know: and I would love to be corrected; the wreck of the Miss Hobart in Waratah Bay has not been found. From today’s perspective, it does seem it would have been very easy to blame Victor Holyman, and I am sure de Havilland would have pushed this scenario (possible furphy) at any inquiry. If anyone has any further information, the family would be very appreciative. Beverley Rodan

1 week, 3 days

Possibly the right William WELLS off the 'Triton' who married Maria GRIFFIN 30 September 1850.

by List user

Hi Listers, Since I wrote this portion of my email to the list this morning. I may have found the right William Wells on board the Ship Shamrock on libraries Tas, in 1850 I have seen a list with Wm WELLS going to Melbourne with Alfred Wells in 1852 before on the shamrock in 1852, It listed him coming to the Colony on the Shamrock, but I found another that he went Steerage on the Shamrock in 1852 a different list and he came to the Colony on the Triton. https://stors.tas.gov.au/POL220-1-1 <https://stors.tas.gov.au/POL220-1-1> Departure date 16 August 1850. departure Port, Launceston. Ship, Shamrock, Ship to Colony, Triton. Free by servitude in 1849. Resource: POL220/1/1 P259. He wasnt with Alfred Wells, on that trip. He was married to Maria GRIFFIN 6 weeks later, 30 Sept 1850. Would love to find his return trip to Tasmania as it would help to prove he was the William who Maria married. Her father may of wanted him to get some money behind him before he gave his permission to marry Maria. I was given the Affadavit from Maria's father for William to marry her, last year. That Wells researcher favors the other William off the Anson, but he had a wife back in England so it to is hard to know for sure either, but he was not the one with Alfred on the Melbourne trips. https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/resu... <https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/resu...> In this passenger list 1852 William WELLS appears to be with Alfred WELLS who married Martha WELLS. That is assuming this William WELLS was definitely William WELLS off the Triton as in the 1850 trip to Melbourne. Alfred wasnt married to Martha GRIFFIN, sister of Williams wife Maria in 1850, but was in 1852. WELLS, William, Record type: Departure. Rank: Steerage. Status, Free. Departure date, 3 Sep 1852. Departure, Launceston. Ship, Shamrock. Bound to Melbourne. Resource: POL220/1/2 P126. Just in case there is anyone on the list who have this William WELLS in their Family History they may want to check both of these out, as I think this William WELLS of both of these trips are one and the same one in Evandale. The lady volunteer at Evandale Historical society, I purchased some papers from, did tell me there was a William WELLS off the Triton, who was engaged as Overseer on a farm and did name the Farmer, but she never sent me that detail amongst the papers. So I may need to send her another email to see if she will send it to me as that will prove it was the Triton, he received his William WELLS. I paid 15 dollars at the time as she asked for a donation to help pay for printing. She sent a patron submitted tree similar to those on ancestry. Would be good to get this brick wall sorted once and for all. The only thing I worry about is that the Triton William, who arrived19 Dec 1842, born Springthorpe, Lincoln, aged 23, born c1819. His father was Richard, dead and mother Ann. There were no siblings mentioned. Maria never had her first child till she was 18, a daughter was born 1 Jan 1852. More than two years after marriage. Could be William made several such trips. regards Edie McArthur I wrote 7/11/2019 9.31am <I still haven't found the correct William WELLS 30 Bachelor and Maria GRIFFIN 16 who were married in Morven in 1850 a year after Maria GRIFFINs arrival in Morven, aged 15. What I don't still know is which William WELLS it was. There were two assigned to Evandale. Both went off to other assignments during that time. One to Deloraine and one to Emu Bay. I cannot find any other William WELLS in the Emu Bay that are not familiar to me this end. Most can be accounted for. I do not know if anyone out there in Deloraine, has the family of a William WELLS settle there as then he can be eliminated as our William WELLS . One of them appears to have resettled back into Evandale early on, maybe a short assignment elsewhere then back to Evandale. One William was from the 'Triton' and the other from the 'Anson'.>

1 week, 4 days

Re: Tasmania indexes

by Gaylene McCooey

My TFI still works if you ever need anything. Gaylene Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Nov 2019, at 2:46 pm, Sally Nolan <sallynolan531(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Julie, > yes, we are lucky to have the indexes and free access to records up to 1899. > BUT - yes fees after that are exorbitant, > I have the TFI but can no longer access it which is a blow as it was very useful. > > I have purchased a few NSW Certificates for about $18.00, this can vary depending > on what information you request, but is nothing like the over $50 charged by Tas. > > Other States may charge a fair bit but at least they have them Indexed up to date. > I have often waited a year or so to get at the new records s they become available. > > Can we do anything about getting them handed over to the Archives here in Tas or is it as > Peter says - a real money spinner for them.? > Cheers > Sally > > > ________________________________ > From: Julie Gough <juliegoughtasmania(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 8 November 2019 11:33 AM > To: aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com <aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com> > Cc: Aus-Tas <AUS-Tasmania-L(a)rootsweb.com> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Tasmania indexes > > Hi Chris > > We are have them free $ up to that date/thereabouts - which is great > > After that date range we have to pay an exorbitant $55.42 (is this > correct ?!?!) for each Tas. BDM from : > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jus...

1 week, 3 days

Re: Tasmania indexes

by Chris Kealy

Sally- slightly off topic. Have you considered having a virtual drive put into your computer. There is free and good software which would enable you to do this, and then you can load your TFI and any other Digger discs onto this virtual Drive. There are listers who know all about these processes and were extremely helpful to me. Chris in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Sally Nolan [mailto:sallynolan531@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 8 November 2019 2:26 PM To: Julie Gough; aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com Cc: Aus-Tas Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Tasmania indexes Hi Julie, yes, we are lucky to have the indexes and free access to records up to 1899. BUT - yes fees after that are exorbitant, I have the TFI but can no longer access it which is a blow as it was very useful. I have purchased a few NSW Certificates for about $18.00, this can vary depending on what information you request, but is nothing like the over $50 charged by Tas. Other States may charge a fair bit but at least they have them Indexed up to date. I have often waited a year or so to get at the new records s they become available. Can we do anything about getting them handed over to the Archives here in Tas or is it as Peter says - a real money spinner for them.? Cheers Sally ________________________________ From: Julie Gough <juliegoughtasmania(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 8 November 2019 11:33 AM To: aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com <aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com> Cc: Aus-Tas <AUS-Tasmania-L(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Tasmania indexes Hi Chris We are have them free $ up to that date/thereabouts - which is great After that date range we have to pay an exorbitant $55.42 (is this correct ?!?!) for each Tas. BDM from : https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justic e.tas.gov.au%2Fbdm%2Ffees%23Certificate%2520fees&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8d50 8b6a95040d2425a08d763e35e6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637 087700508347618&sdata=hxR1mfOQQ%2BM2Ny7tmzMYV5er7bYuqaTjAm7AA3%2Fuk%2F4% 3D&reserved=0 Which is (criminally) double the Victorian state rates :( - but which Victoria charge for from the start of their bdm records I think this is the case + What do all states/territories currently charge ? Julie On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 11:06 am, Chris Nilsen <nilsen.christopher(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > I was wondering if anybody knows about the progress of newer indexes for > Tasmanian marriage and death records. > I know of the TFI giving us marriages and deaths up to 1930, but it seems > Tasmania is way behind in even making indexes available for the years > legally available. > Most other states now have online indexes available for years way past > 1930. > Is there some reason Tasmania can't offer this, or have I missed something. > Thanks. > Chris. > Adelaide. > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fsites.rootswe b.com%2F~austashs%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8d508b6a95040d2425a08d763e35e6b% 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637087700508347618&sdata=Tz 21Dio9UHDMOoyHg4yr%2FULHNRNZm7kSUwoaeS4iRuo%3D&reserved=0 > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com 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1 week, 4 days

Tasmania indexes

by Chris Nilsen

Hi Everybody, I was wondering if anybody knows about the progress of newer indexes for Tasmanian marriage and death records. I know of the TFI giving us marriages and deaths up to 1930, but it seems Tasmania is way behind in even making indexes available for the years legally available. Most other states now have online indexes available for years way past 1930. Is there some reason Tasmania can’t offer this, or have I missed something. Thanks. Chris. Adelaide.

1 week, 4 days

Re: The Miss Hobart (airplane) mystery...

by Peter Selley

Straying slightly off topic I live opposite the house where Rev Hubert Warren's father was born, in the village of Bow in Devon, England. http://medicalgentlemen.co.uk/aboutthedoctors/warrenfamily/william-warren... Another plug - I have described many of the local convicts that were transported to Tasmania and elsewhere in Australia. http://medicalgentlemen.co.uk/aus-nz I enjoy the chat on this site Peter On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 12:54, Chris Ward <ceejay(a)outlook.com.au> wrote: > There are three likely causes of this tragedy! > > 1. The fuel tank was of not sufficient capacity (114 gallons) to travel > from Launceston to Essendon against the strong winds which existed on 19 > October. Normal consumption was 36 gallons per hour. An earlier flight in > similar conditions had landed at Point Cook due to concerns about the fuel > status. > > 2. Victor Holyman was not endorsed to fly the DH86 aircraft although he > often insisted on taking control. The aircraft did not have normal dual > control as the DH86s of QANTAS had and Holyman and Jenkins would have had > to change seats for Holyman to take control. It is possible that when > doing this the controls may have been knocked and especially if the > aircraft was flying at low level over water there would not have been time > to recover control. > > 3. Subsequent accidents to DH86 aircraft raised the issue of a rushed > design with faults or deficiencies which were subsequently rectified. > These issues were not considered at the time of the Miss Hobart crash > > > Some of the passengers on this aircraft were well known and included the > Rev. Hubert Warren an Anglican priest on his way to a new parish in > Sydney. Rev. Warren was the father of David Warren who was the inventor of > the aircraft "Black Box" which was developed at the time of DH106 Comet > crashes in the 1950s > > Regards > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maree Ring <mareering(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2019 7:44 PM > To: TASMANIA ROOTSWEB <aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] The Miss Hobart (airplane) mystery... > > Hi Listers, > > Another story from the ABC and Reg Watson... with the culmination of the > invention of the 'black box'. > > The audio goes for just over 7 minutes. > > > https://www.abc.net.au/radio/hobart/programs/evenings/reg-watson-the-miss... > > Cheers, Maree > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb > is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

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The Miss Hobart (airplane) mystery...

by Maree Ring

Hi Listers, Another story from the ABC and Reg Watson... with the culmination of the invention of the 'black box'. The audio goes for just over 7 minutes. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/hobart/programs/evenings/reg-watson-the-miss... Cheers, Maree

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Another ABC audio - Convict Coal Mines on the Tasman Peninsula

by Maree Ring

Hi Listers, What was it like to work at a coal mine in a remote part of Van Diemen's Land? The audio goes for just under 17 minutes... This coal mine was for those under sentence with a further sentence of hard labour. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/hobart/programs/your-afternoon/coal-mines/11... cheers, Maree

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Martha GRIFFIN 1835-1907 and Alfred WELLS 1824-1903

by List user

Hi Lister's, I still haven't found the correct William WELLS 30 Bachelor and Maria GRIFFIN 16 who were married in Morven in 1850 a year after Maria GRIFFINs arrival in Morven, aged 15. What I don't still know is which William WELLS it was. There were two assigned to Evandale. Both went off to other assignments during that time. One to Deloraine and one to Emu Bay. I cannot find any other William WELLS in the Emu Bay that are not familiar to me this end. Most can be accounted for. I do not know if anyone out there in Deloraine, has the family of a William WELLS settle there as then he can be eliminated as our William WELLS . One of them appears to have resettled back into Evandale early on, maybe a short assignment elsewhere then back to Evandale. One William was from the 'Triton' and the other from the 'Anson'. I am hoping to find out whether or not, the convict Alfred WELLS who married Martha GRIFFIN, Maria's sister was related to our William WELLS as both came from different parts of Lincolnshire with different parents and may have been cousins. Alfred WELLS 17 along with Horace Blades 18 Killed a sheep at Peterborough and were both sentenced to 10 years. transportation to Van Diemans land. Martha GRIFFIN 17 and Alfred WELLS aged 27, Bachelor were married at Evandale 5th March 1852. They went to Port Sorell at some stage and had a large family. Amelia 1852-1927, N Wells? 1859, Adelaide 1861-1889, Louisa 1864, Albert 1866, Arthur Ernest 1869, Edith Alice 1871, Theodore Leslie 1875-1912 NSW. I am working my way through some of these but have gone as far as I can using Google, Libraries Tasmania, Trove, and I think Familysearch.org and the wonderful official records and hints and some of the better Public trees on Ancestry.com. It would be good to find living family as always, who can assist, but happy for others to help as well, as they have in the past. I unfortunately have never received a reply on William WELLS to date. I have the Tamiot CD and Alfred's death in 1903 is not there and he isn't on Trove. Can anyone help with his place of death and date in 1903 please. I thought I had printed the WELLS pages from Tas Federation index, in case he was there, but havent got it. I am hoping some family member of Alfreds and Marthas may know more about William WELLS please. Martha WELLS died 23 July 1907 (Trove, Northwest Post) at Latrobe of Heart Failure, at her daughter Mrs H Jones. Maria and Alfred left 4 sons and 2 daughters. Thanks for any help Edie McArthur Burnie

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Re: Amy Gentry Headstone Inscription?

by Louise Gibson

Don I will be at my local library this afternoon (Thursday) so will check the Cornelian Bay MI Transcript fiche for your Amy Gentry entry. Regards Louise Gibson Burnie On 6/11/2019 8:03 pm, aus-tasmania-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:46:11 +1100 > From: Djb100<djb100(a)mmnet.com.au> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Amy Gentry Headstone Inscription? > To:aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<606E6E4C-089A-4C8B-8049-0B86319A97B6(a)mmnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you, Marie. Much obliged. I'l contact TFHS to request a copy of the transcript. Don. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 6:17 PM, Maree Ring<mareering(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Further to the replies already sent, Tasmanian Family History Society Inc., Hobart Branch in the late 1990s transcribed the headstones at Cornelian Bay and still have those transcripts at their library at Bellerive. If you want a transcript of the link that Peter sent I suggest you contact them. However there may be a small charge for this service. >> >> Cheers Maree

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Re: British Army records for India, Major Charles Mitford-Burgess

by List user

Hi Sally, Didnt see your last sentence that it would be best for me to reply off list. But since you replied to me on list and their were other s helping also, I decided it right to reply on list, as that is what keeps lists going. I was about to send the National Archives of Australia to you, when I heard thunder and panicked and turned my computer off until it was safe. This is the site, the National Archives of Australia where I sent the reference to Charles Mitford Burgess details to. I personally think you were lucky he did write his details down in full as it is hard sometimes to write to the National archives in the UK to get British Military records. At least if and when you do write to them, you will have a good reference to where they can look. I would be happy with what he says in the records. His friends have backed him up in their references. https://www.discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/records/575493 Obviously the Australian Archives have his details as well. As when I went to school New Zealand was part of Australiasia and they fought side by side. Australia, New Zealand Army Corps. This part page is written by the Army personnel not Charles handwritten one. He was a member of the British army not just the Militia, he would have started out that way. https://www.discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/records/575493/42 It only costs about 15 dollars (it may have gone up since I purchase some of our soldiers records) to purchase these Military records from the archives, it would be well worth you forking out that much for the 66 pages. You can view them in full then not just half pages as you see here https://www.discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/records/575493/42 Your comment: <<Bob referred to several names in a tree on Ancestry, he did not 'send' it to me. Charles Mitford Burgess birth at Buttevants Barracks, Cork is not in dispute.>> Bob sent you and the rest of us via the list, more than just a few names, he sent you the URL for the website of the family history of the Snowden Family, including the reference to the birth date and birthplace of Charles Mitford Burgess, which did not include that he had been born at the Barracks, just that he had been born at Buttevant, Cork. That appears in Charles own handwriting, so what with Peters, Bobs, myself and others now, you should have a nice little package. Purchase the New Zealand Military Personnel reports, that contain Charles letters as they will all be there in full and will be very useful to you. Hopefully someone will be able to find the actual baptism and birth index. His fathers is there. Maybe since his mother died a fortnight after his birth, she may have been too unwell to register his birth and have him baptised. Charles could have been busy. Or maybe you already have the baptism image. regards Edie McArthur ------ Original Message ------ From: "Sally Nolan" <sallynolan531(a)hotmail.com> To: "eamca1944(a)bigpond.com" <eamca1944(a)bigpond.com>; "aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com" <aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 6 Nov, 2019 At 11:07 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: British Army records for India, Major Charles Mitford-Burgess Hi Edie , Thank you for your interest, however you do rather confuse things. Peter referred me to NZ Archives. The Major does NOT appear in the Australian Archives where you refer to his Military file. I found no actual Military records, only his own letters setting out his career (NZ archives). Bob referred to several names in a tree on Ancestry, he did not 'send' it to me. Charles Mitford Burgess birth at Buttevants Barracks, Cork is not in dispute. The 1891 Scotland Census is not wrong, I take the spelling to be a transcription error. Can you give me a source for him being in British Guiana please? Do you have a source for him joining the 5th Batt Scottish Rifles and training in Scotland from 1890-1895 as you stated? His own letter says he only trained with them for a month in 1890? You say he resigned his commission because of sickness in 1905? Source please? I read it that he resigned in 1907, mostly from lack of money. You are quite right in saying he never served in India. As he was in the Militia, not the regular army, he was only required to attend about one month every year, although he seems to have done a little more as he was an officer. Officers usually were suggested for appointment by local land-owner, and had to pay for their own kit etc. They did sit exams etc for their rank which were equal to regular army. . His main occupation seems to have been 'farmer'. Finally you say he was Head Teacher at Otaroa School, Do you have a source please? I have only seen his appointment in 1917 as a relieving teacher? He was at Paparata School when he died in 1921. It may be best if you reply to me off list. Cheers Sally _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

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Re: British Army records for India, Major Charles Mitford-Burgess

by List user

First of all. Sally. I have fold3 account, it belongs to ancestry. I was looking through the Military records, Militia or otherwise, when I couldnt access all of the records to and from Charles by the New Zealand Military, so I then did a Google search and the National archives of Australia came up. They appeared more complete and there were 66 pages, I read through them all. Some of the pages were back to front. They were the same pages Peter had sent to you via the list. You will have to read through them all as I did to see the pages where Charles has listed where he served at various times. At the age of 16, On Ancestry.com. I have UK Heritage Plus, but I am sure it is also on the Australian versian. There are the UK Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1820-1910. Born at Cork, aged 16, Bound 20-5-1878, Registered at Liverpool. Term four years. To whom bound, Robert Low, Greenshields, Liverpool. So he was four years until he was 20 or thereabouts. It is an official record list. Record no 1615 https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/60609/42482_6130000_0018-00210?pi... Unless you have a subscription or you can go to your local library, you may not get to read this. New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853-1981 1919, Bay of Plenty, Roturua. Burgess, Charles muitford, Oturoa School. Ngongotaha, Head Teacher. https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/1836/31832_225973__0003-00192?pid... As for Cork,Butterdean, to not being wrong, just a transcription error. It wasnt right so it had to be wrong. There is a big difference between Butterdean which is situated in Berwickshire, on the Northern English and Scottish border and Buttevant, Cork, Ireland. I was looking for a Barracks as it doesnt state Barracks, not even in the Family History of the Snowdens. The only place it mentions it is a Barracks was in Charles Mitfords Letter in 1910.There was a lot of reading, to get to that point. There is a gap from the end of his Apprenticeship in the Merchant navy from 1882 to 1887 when he appears on the Freemasons list on ancestry at Georgetown, Demerara. He was in British Guyana from 1887, 1888, 1889. As a Planter. It is an official list. From 1890. he was promoted to 2nd Lieutenant with the 5th Rifle Brigade and trained with the scottish Rifles. was still there in 1892. 1895 Then he was in Hounslow (where Heathrow airport is close by) June, Jul, August. 1898 August, Scottish Rifles, Lanark 1900 he had command of the musketry camp at Gravesend, kent 1901, 9 Dec Promoted to Major. 1902 Woolwich, kent 1905 He left the militia, 4th Battalion Rifle Brigade at that stage militia training and Office work, 1907 August. resigned commission, with permission to retain and wear the uniform. All this came from the National Archives of Australia. 66 pages. Fold 3 had as their reference. UK, British Army lists 1882-1962. content source is The National archives of the UK, dated October.1902. Short description. List of individuals who served in the British Army from 1882-1962. Year range 1882-1962. In an old official book it just says. 5th Battalion Majors Burgess, Charles M. 9 Dec 01. https://www.fold3.com/image/416544189?xid=1022&_ga=2.30948095.1714266313.... There is another ref for him also on ancestry in UK Hart Annual Army list 1908 for CMitford Burgess. That is to do with the one award he had be given by Queen Victoria. https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=34796&h=39317... England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemasons Membership Registers 1751-1921, Georgetown, Demerara https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=tDz64&_phstart=succ... same for his father. regards Edie McArthur ------ Original Message ------ From: "Sally Nolan" <sallynolan531(a)hotmail.com> To: "eamca1944(a)bigpond.com" <eamca1944(a)bigpond.com>; "aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com" <aus-tasmania(a)rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 6 Nov, 2019 At 11:07 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: British Army records for India, Major Charles Mitford-Burgess Hi Edie , Thank you for your interest, however you do rather confuse things. Peter referred me to NZ Archives. The Major does NOT appear in the Australian Archives where you refer to his Military file. I found no actual Military records, only his own letters setting out his career (NZ archives). Bob referred to several names in a tree on Ancestry, he did not 'send' it to me. Charles Mitford Burgess birth at Buttevants Barracks, Cork is not in dispute. The 1891 Scotland Census is not wrong, I take the spelling to be a transcription error. Can you give me a source for him being in British Guiana please? Do you have a source for him joining the 5th Batt Scottish Rifles and training in Scotland from 1890-1895 as you stated? His own letter says he only trained with them for a month in 1890? You say he resigned his commission because of sickness in 1905? Source please? I read it that he resigned in 1907, mostly from lack of money. You are quite right in saying he never served in India. As he was in the Militia, not the regular army, he was only required to attend about one month every year, although he seems to have done a little more as he was an officer. Officers usually were suggested for appointment by local land-owner, and had to pay for their own kit etc. They did sit exams etc for their rank which were equal to regular army. . His main occupation seems to have been 'farmer'. Finally you say he was Head Teacher at Otaroa School, Do you have a source please? I have only seen his appointment in 1917 as a relieving teacher? He was at Paparata School when he died in 1921. It may be best if you reply to me off list. Cheers Sally _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin(a)rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

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Travel to Port Arthur and Norfolk Island

by Rod Hill

I was hoping someone maybe able to assist me with a convict's departure from Hobart to Port Arthur and abt 1846 to Norfolk Island 1848 I have found many records and have copies file at the Tasmanian Archives but have a few gaps I would like to fill in William CHIFFEY was tried for stealing a gun and sentenced to 7 years ,arrived Van Diemens Land 13 Nov 1833 per Isabella(1) 5 Sept 1843 tried Hobart Supreme Court before Justice Montagu found Guilty of Buggery ,sentenced to be hanged, commuted to transportation for life , in 1846 he was at Port Arthur To be sent to Norfolk Island 19 April 1848 and 17 Aug 1848 arrived Norfolk Island 16 Jun 1852 arrived back from Norfolk Island on Lady Franklin *My questions are what ships did he go to Port Arthur on as well as Norfolk Island and what dates along with any archives shipping lists are available.* I already have a possible date and ship to N.I.as below The Courier Newspaper (Hobart), Sat 22 July 1848, p.2, reports that the Lady Franklin would leave with mail for Norfolk Island on Monday 24 July 1848. Many thanks for the most appreciated Assistance Rod Hill

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