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Thanks for your comments Judith. Yes journalists have changed very little
over the years! I just thought it was worth flagging the prejudice that
existed in some form in rural communities. Monissa too makes a valid point
we must remember those who did not have families. They are certainly not
the territory of genealogies as the line effectively ends with them. The
invalid depots would have been filled with interesting narratives.
What I find intriguing is the shift in interest in the 1880s and 1890s
towards our convict past. We see visitors begin to visit Port Arthur. We
find people like J W Beattie collecting convict clothing. Imagine one of us
collecting clothing from Risdon Prison that somebody wore in recent decades?
Why this shift? Was it money? Or was it coming to terms with our past
through popular culture?
For the Term of His Natural Life was performed in the 1880s onwards in both
Launceston and Hobart to packed theatres. Interestingly a chain gang
promoting the film in the streets of Hobart was met with protest by
respectable citizens who ambushed the Premier seeking the chain gangs
removal from the streets. I wonder how many ex convicts went and quietly
saw the play for themselves?
One of my favourite relations is Susannah Gooding aka Goodwin. She was the
granddaughter of First Fleet Convicts. Her father murdered her mother in
the late 1860s because she was drunk and hadnt prepared his dinner.
Somehow Louisa met Samuel James Way Chief Justice of South Australia and
later Lieutenant Governor. They had 5 children in Tasmania that we know of.
Although they didnt marry how is that for overcoming your convict
Have you looked in Victoria. Many convicts came here when they got their
ticket of leave.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill White" <eisenberg1953(a)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: [AUS-Tas] Convict John Walker
>I am hoping that SKS can give me any information on a convict John Walker
>who came to Tasmania on board the "John" around 1830-33. He married Martha
>O'Hara around 1842. I would really like to know when he died, if he and
>Martha had any children, etc.
> Jill White
> Katherine NT
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I am hoping that SKS can give me any information on a convict John Walker who came to Tasmania on board the "John" around 1830-33. He married Martha O'Hara around 1842. I would really like to know when he died, if he and Martha had any children, etc.
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Apologies in advance to our more experienced listers
Has anyone had any experience with the transportation records referred to by the Irish Transportation Database index ie do the records referred to differ from those held by the AoT for our Irish convicts I'm trying to ascertain whether it is worth parting with my hard earned for little or no extra info on my Irish connections appreciate some input
top o' the evening to you all Chris in Tremont
I sent a message to them weeks ago, but have not yet received any
acknowledgement or information.
Name interests: Hall, Hoare, Hollow and Wells (South Australia)
Crowder, Hake, Moore, Pullen and Wells (Tasmania)
From: Bob Warren [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [AUS-Tas] RE_info
You must have missed the earlier message saying it was available from
the Derwent Valley Council. The don't have any copies at the moment but
are ordering more.
Tas Browning wrote:
>Hi Wynette & List
>The heading was as I set out previously, Names of Norfolk Islanders who
>to Van Dieman's Land."who settled in this district and named it New Norfolk
>after their Island Home".
>It has been suggested that it was a project of the New Norfolk Historical
>as I said previously it was printed on parchment by Derwent Print.
>Irene Schaffer told me she had done some years previously in book form.
>It was at the Westerway Primary School and after doing a clean up before
>school started, it was to be thrown out, the rest is history!!!
>Kind regards Tas.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Graeme Ford" <grayford(a)dodo.com.au>
>To: "Tas Browning" <tasarb(a)bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] RE_info
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Last convict in 1939
> From: "Judiholl" <jahol26(a)bigpond.net.au>
> Date: Tue, March 01, 2005 9:03 am
> To: AUS-Tasmania-L(a)rootsweb.com
> This sentence probably reflects the prejudices of the 'respectable' of the
> 19thC, rather than the actual situation. Over the years, I've had the
> privilege of helping many with research into their convict ancestors, and of
> following up several of my own. My general impression is that the
> emancipated convicts and the first generation of their Tasmanian-born
> descendants were generally very poor and had to work extremely hard, but
> were law-abiding and responsible. Most married as soon as they could (or
> brought out their families from the UK). They generally successfully raised
> several children, who in turn married and had large and close-knit families.
> They were the backbone of the rural economy. Numerous and extensive
> genealogies and histories of convict families bear witness to this.
If I can point out a slight flaw in that. If you're looking at
geneaologies and convict families, then generally you will be looking
at those who settled down and raised a family. How reflective they are
off the whole group, I don't know.
I have a theory, though I've never tested it. At school we were taught
that one of the problems with transportation was most of those sent out
to the colonies were from the towns and cites and had no farming skills,
whereas in NSW & VDL, they needed labourers with farming skills. Makes
sense if you think about the situation in Britain at the time. However,
once I started doing family history research, I kept finding shepherd &
ploughmen & farm labourers.Obviously not what we'd been taught at
school. And usually quite well behave, maybe a couple entries on the
conduct record but mostly just the dates when CP & TL were granted.
Then I start going other types of research and I look at the record of
others, including some that were sent to Macquarie Harbour, and now the
city boys start appearing. They were the ones getting into constant
So, I tend to think that those who arrived on these shores and found
their skills in demand were more likely to settle down, raise a family
and become law abiding citizens. Which seems to be born out by what you
were saying above
The other thing I noted is whereas my male ancestor often little on
their conduct records but the women tended to have longer list of
misdemeanours. But the sample size is a bit small on that one.
My Mary Edwards witnessed her sister Isabella's marriage in
waverley NSW on 7 Aug 1876.
Mary Jane Edwards dau of John Edwards and Celia Catherine Weavell (later
born 30 Mar 1855 Oatlands
died 29 Aug 1925 age 69 Oatlands
married 24 June 1879 at Bothwell to Phillip Garwood.
As to whether this Mary edwards painted this paintng I have no idea, but I
thought I would send the info anyway.
Good luck helen
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The birth of Henry James Nation was on 29 march 1898 in Hobart,
reference number (499) in 1898.To parents James Nation and Louisa Lucas.
I notice you are at Bagdad.
A copy of this can be obtained from the Hobart, Moonah or Archives
Libraries.As the birth is in 1898, it should give the place of marriage of
the parents and ages of parents. The other two siblings are possibly born
after 1899, these you may find on the microfiche index 1900-1905 births
available also at these libraries.
I am researching the Lucas name so confirmation of your line would be great
to add to my file.
Good luck Helen
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I have put the following together, what do you think?
Sarah Williams bc 1809 married 9 Sept 1833 (2158/1833) Hobart Robert
They had a dau Elizabeth bapt 14 Jul 1834 (5478/1834) Hobart
Sarah Hitchcock 36 married 10 Nov 1845 (17001/1845) James Goodwin age 44
When Sarah and James married, they had already baptised 4 children
Parents given as James and Sarah
Jane Goodwin bapt in 1840 with birthdate given as 15 Jan 1834 (922/1840)
Joseph Goodwin bapt 1840 with birthdate given as 24 Nov 1838 (923/1840)
George Goodwin bapt 1843 birthdate given as 19 Mar 1841 (2100/1843) Hobart
Emma Goodwin bapt 1844 birthdate given 5 Oct 1843 (2387/1844) Hobart
Then after they married an unnamed female Goodwin was born 6 May 1846
Parents given as James and Sarah Williams
You may ask, how can Sarah Williams have 2 children in 1834?
I feel that the Jane baptised in 1840, with 1834 birthdate is the Elizabeth
Hitchcock born to Sarah Williams and Robert Hitchcock.
As to what happened to Robert Hitchcock, I do not know at this stage?
But I feel that he has died or deserted Sarah between 1834-early 1838, and
Sarah has taken up with James Goodwin, but could not officially marry him
All this speculation will need to be researched, but it is a good starting
I would check the permissions to marry on line, to see was one to sarah
Good luck Helen
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This has long been an issue amongst those studying and interpreting convict
transportation. It would be interesting to see what the mailing list can
come up with.
I am aware of a convict who died in 1914 in Victoria. His obituary mentions
his ability to compose Irish ditties about his friends - the only reference
to his place of birth let alone convict origins.
Can anyone else build upon this? Perhaps the 1939 person was a convict in
It is interesting to note that some 19th century correspondents in rural
areas for Tasmanian newspapers were well aware of those in their community
transported across the seas. I have come across numerous remarks about lack
of parenting skills, little knowledge of mining and inability to consume
alcohol with dignity.
>From: "Christopher" <vdljourneys(a)iinet.net.au>
>Subject: [AUS-Tas] Last convict in 1939
>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:43:38 +1100
>I was interested to read in Maree's email that the last convict may have
>died as late as 1939. Must have been quite old. Are any details known
>about the person? I've often tried to find out about who may have been the
>last few convicts, but I've never had much luck. I guess their past was so
>well hidden they weren't going to reveal it on their death bed.
>I wonder how many people are alive today who can remember a convict?
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Has anyone heard of men being press-ganged into the NSW Corps early 1788-1802 I have never seen anything written about this happening here like it did in England, but someone out there may have.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Helen Brown" <peter-brown(a)bigpond.com>
To: "Monissa Whiteley" <xenith(a)monissa.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: Proving convict links Re: [AUS-Tas] Robert PARNELL/Lucy WELLER
> Robert Parnell was assigned to Dr Thomas Braidwood WILSON at "Janefield"
> Macquarie River in 1839. I don't have his convict record sorry. When
> "Janefield" was sold in 1943 he moved to "Mt. Seymour", the grant of
> Thomas Wilson's brother George Wilson. George had been managing
> "Janefield" for his brother who lived at Braidwood NSW.
> Robert acquired 80 acres of John Wilson's (another brother) grant
> "Springfield". He built a cottage there. I think he worked for the Wilsons
> and must have been regarded as a good workman for George to take him with
> He married Lucy Weller (spelt Willow in Taslink)
> His daughter Hannah married Thomas EADIE, a nephew of George, John and
> Thomas Wilson.
> His mother wrote a letter to him in which she said she was glad he had
> found things better than he expected and mentioned that he intended
> returning home after his 7 years were up. He didn't return as we know.
> I do have a copy of the letter somewhere.
> I hope this is helpful.
> Helen Brown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monissa Whiteley" <xenith(a)monissa.com>
> To: <AUS-Tasmania-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:48 PM
> Subject: Proving convict links Re: [AUS-Tas] Robert PARNELL/Lucy WELLER
>> stuart loone wrote:
>>> Hello List,
>>> Seeking ANY information on the ancestry of Robert PARNELL (b circa 1817)
>>> and his wife Lucy nee WELLER (b circa 1820) and how they came to be in
>>> Tas. The couple married at the Court House, Oatlands, June 30 1845.
>>> I have found a convict record of a Richard PARNELL, quite possibly him
>>> (the dates seem to 'fit
>> >') but wonder how I go about proving that the convict is the same man as
>> one who married in
>> > Oatlands???!!!
>> I think this is a common question so I'll list some things. Some are
>> probably obvious or you've already done but I'll include them for the
>> benefit of any else who is wondering. And hopefully someone else will add
>> some ideas.
>> First, is to look at the marriage certificate and see if it has something
>> helpful like "TL" (Ticket of Leave holder) on it. And note the
>> The next easiest way is to look a permission to marry at
>> http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp (on both
>> surnames, in case one is spelt wrong). Not in this case though.
>> Of course these only work if the couple got married while one or both
>> were under sentence.
>> Then you try to prove he's not :) Get a copy of the records for the
>> convict, cross your fingers that it's all readable and then check dates.
>> If the person in question got a CP (Conditional Pardon) or Free Pardon or
>> Free Certificate or their sentence expire prior to them getting married,
>> put a tick in the 'Maybe' column. If not (check the permission to marry
>> index again) and put a tick in the "Probably not" column. Check to see if
>> they were execute (obviously a no) or otherwise engaged (i.e. at
>> Macquarie Harbour) when you would have expected them to be living with
>> their family. Look for handy notes about them getting married or having
>> babies (for women). Compare occupations. Odds are pretty good that a
>> convict formerly employed as a shepherd will be a shepherd/farmer in VDL
>> as well, rather than a clerk.
>> Check the BDM indexes for any one with the same name dying or getting
>> married or having children. (I think Stuart gets the prize for variety in
>> surnames though)
>> Being able to read or write is not an indication of a non-convict (esp.
>> as some convict ships had schools on board).
>> Check the census records:
>> They're very patchy & don't have much info on them (only the name of the
>> householder but you can often work out things out if you know the age &
>> sex of who should be in the house at the time. One of the fields is
>> Arrived Free/Born in Colony/Other free/Bond. Bear in mind, whoever is
>> answering the questions could be lying through their teeth or not know
>> the right answers.
>> Make sure you check the death certificate for any clues (probably not
>> that helpful) and look an obituary or death notice or news story. Lack of
>> other family is often a clue, bearing in mind, that many convicts had
>> their families come out to join them so presence of family can go either
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I am trying to trace William MILLARD who was given his conditional pardon on 21 June 1853 and his last address was Nicholas Rivers at Mersey on 29 July 1853. Can anyone tell me where Nicholas Rivers at Mersey is and how can I find out where William could have gone? Conduct record is no help!
TIA :-) Debbie Klimeck
(Grumbles about auto-complete email programs and tries sending it to the right
list this time)
Probably left this a bit late because it closes in 14 hours but just on the off
chance it might be of interest to someone, because it seems too good to let go
by without mentioning, I found the following on Ebay:
"Very large collection of papers relating to the Hooper family of Kent and
London in England and to farm and estates in the Colony of Tasmania, covering
the period 1780 to 1898."
(Note, it's a UK seller so postage is not nice & in Aus$ you're looking at
approx. 2.5 times the GBP price)
Has anyone come across the situation where a convict, still serving his time (ie
prior to Conditional and/or Free Pardon) has done any of the following in VDL:
* "claimed" land;
* been granted official permission to build on land that he claimed
* put in an application for a "grant" of land
If so, I'd be grateful to learn of the circumstances(including what sentence
he/she received - eg Life, 7 yrs etc).
Hi List. Would anyone on the list be able to help me out on this query please, my query is of the following Fentonbury residents of 1910
George Clark farmer
Henry Clark Farmer
James Clark Hop Grower
Walter Clark Hop Grower
I am looking for their family line please, if anyone can help out there , With thanks