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Some weeks ago we were exchanging about a possible route for this ship for the three voyages she made carrying convicts to van Diemen's Land. I hesitate to say that I have bitten off more than I can chew - pretentious! moi? - but there is so much information that has come to me that my intention of summarising and presenting an argument for such-and-such a route will take a lot longer than I imagined at the outset.
Meanwhile I thank all those who contributed ideas and material - to name but three, the Hurburgh family,
Rosemary Luyendyk, and descendant of "Rodney" transportee, my friend Ian in Canada.
I'll be back on this...
Sounds like yer typical death registration with information erroneously
provided by others that never had a clue as to where he was born, and/or
were covering up the convict past.
don't have any early Charles ELLENs baptised in Cornwall (the UK one,
Douglas!!!) or any other county,
so unless BVRI Vol II has him/them, it sounds like it's going to be a long
Emma, welcome to the elite club of genealogy..... being stone-walled.
From: "Monissa Whiteley" <xenith(a)monissa.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:23:53 +1000
Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Charles Ellen??
On 30 Sep 2004 at 20:10, Meryl Yost wrote:
> Hi Emma,
> I don't know if Oatlands existed in 1810? perhaps someone else can answer
It would seem not.
From the 'Let's Talk About' brochure (with a sad sigh because they're no
"Governor Macquarie passed through the district now known as Oatlands in
However, it was not until June 3, 1821 when Macquarie, on his second visit,
site "a very eligible station for a a town" as Oatlands. At that time the
site of Oatlands
was lightly timbered with honeysuckle and ground cover of dense sage. There
some early settlement and a militry (sic) detachment was stationed there in
as late as 1827 Oatlands was still a site, with a board bearing the name
Macquarie. Then under the direction of Governor Arthur, streets were marked
and scrub cleared away and a detachment of troops was sent up to guard the
and tradespeoapl who were beginning to settle the area."
To Emma, where did you get the information that he was born in Oatlands?
Can anyone please help me to find the specific location of one of my ancestors in Hobart in 1858.
Trudy Crowley's most useful book *Alphabetical Listings by Owner and Occupier of the 1858 Valuation Roll for the City of Hobart Town* indicated that Ann HAMLEN lived in part of a house owned by Alexander CHEYNE next to the building at 253 Liverpool Street, Hobart.
Can anyone please tell me the exact location of this house? I think it was on the northern side of the street, but I am interested to know at least between streets this would have been.
Any help gratefully accepted.
Thanks for information and advise.... I am back moving again :)
One area I have learnt a lot about today is Oatlands and it's involement in the probation system:
"It was developed as a military base for the control and management of convicts. The convicts were set to work on public buildings, roads, and bridges and assigned to farms and properties where they built many fine stone and brick buildings.
The military presence was a control measure as Oatlands was considered to too far away from both Launceston and Hobart to obtain help if it was needed against bushrangers, escaped convicts and the aboriginal population." http://www.tco.asn.au/oac/community_history.cgi?oacID=49
That explains why Charles Ellen and his immediate family all resided in Oatlands - assuming he did arrive as a convict.
I had initially found the details on Charles from another site online and have since emailed the owner asking for clarification of his birth place. Hopefully I can prove that Oatlands isn't correct (it simply doesn't seem plausable) and trace back to his birth certificate as solid evidence.
So it is off to the archives for me.
I am new to both genealogy and this list - however have been amazing over the past month at the discussion and level of content you are able to provide each other.
After many discussions, phone calls and emails with family members and the like, I have managed to compile quite a detailed tree however as always have hit a roadblock that hopefully someone out there can shed some light on!
Charles Ellen b1810,(Married Elizabeth Hamilton) was born, raised and died in Oatlands but that is as far back as I have managed to get in this line.
There is thought that Charles Ellen was a convict but I can not find any record, nor does it fit with him being born in Oatlands.. perhaps his father was of the same name?
Has anyone come across Charles Ellen?
Can you suggest where to look now/ Next steps to take?
Is there a way of determining how Charle's parents came to live in Oatlands?
Thanks in advance,
Thanks everyone who replied especially Susan and Douglas. I can now confirm that my Butlers all belonged together. Now await the arrival of the death certificates. Thanks heaps for the information
Dona Bradley Launceston
Hello List and Denise, Lorraine, Meryl
Thanks especially to to D, M, and L : things are beginning to look hopeful that I might have found the right town with the right folks.
Denise, if it is not too much bother for you, yes, please, I would like a picture to compare with what I have.
Hi hoping that someone may connect with the following information .
My Grandmother was Ada Alma Williams Born 01/01/1895 at Lefroy and Died 24/10/1958 in Auckland , New Zealand.
Ada was illegitimate , her Mother was Rosa Emily Cecelia Wilson ( Born 19/06/1879 at George Town ) Rosa`s Father was John Wilson ( Bricklayer) and her Mother was Elizabeth Brown .
Rosa Married James Henry Williams ( Born 02/03/1872 at Moonta Mines , Daly district , South Australia) in Beaconsfield on 15/08/1896 .
James`s parents were Jeremiah Williams and Susan Bawden .
Ada`s siblings were Doris Phyliss , Florence Amelia and a second Doris Phyliss .
Any Help appreciated .
Just a query if anyone on the lists knows of any churches in Tasmania, they have been involved in, e.g Baptised, Confirmed, Married etc. which are now used for another purpose. I'd be interested to hear from you. Many thanks.
I am curious about your request for information on your people as Bell
Bay is not a residential place. It is about five kilometers from George
Town on the River Tamar and is only a port and industrial area. In fact
it is a very large port and it is great that the industry has been kept
out of the town but close enough to commute. Good planning I say! Bell
Bay was just part of a farming property until it was established as a
port in the 1920s (I think about then).
Were you people in George Town or in a place with a name similar to Bell
Bay? Something else Bay perhaps? Do you have any more clues to the
location such as property names, nearby land holders or other
associates, employer/employees etc? From memory I think the property
covering that area was owned by the Lawrence family. (Am I right list?)
I am sure if you give some more details someone on the list will be able
> TURNER Family, Tasmania & YKS
> "Carl MATTHEWS" <cjam(a)nex.net.au>
> Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:48:21 +1000
>Seeking any information on the following family. Last known of in Bell Bay area.
>Descendants of Christopher TURNER
>1 Christopher TURNER 1858 - 1931 b: Abt. 1858 in Netherthong, YKS, ENG. d:
>23 April 1931 in TAS, AUS.
> +Ada 1860 - 1881 b: Abt. 1860 in Fulstone, YKS, ENG. m: Unknown in ? d:
>Aft. 1881 in ?.
>......... 2 Norris TURNER 1880 - Unknown b: Abt. 1880 in Lockwood, YKS,
>ENG. d: Unknown in AUS.
>.................... 3 uk TURNER Unknown - b: Unknown in ?
> .................... 3 uk TURNER Unknown - b: Unknown in ?
> *2nd Wife of Christopher TURNER:
> .. +Lavinia MARSDEN 1856 - 1927 b: Abt. 1856 in ENG m: Unknown in ENG. d:
>13 June 1927 in TAS, AUS.
At 07:14 AM 29/09/2004 -0700, Dona and Keven Bradley wrote:
>Could someone tell me whether there was a Bryan Street and a Bryant Street
>at Invermay once upon a time?
>The Street is now called Bryan.
The entry for Bryan Street in J & D Morris' "History in our Streets"
"Some of the early maps show the street as Bryant Street, but maps of early
land ownership support the present spelling."
E-mail: dburbury(a)vision.net.au ------------------ Launceston, Tasmania
http://www.vision.net.au/~dburbury/burbury.htm (Burbury family page)
http://www.vision.net.au/~dburbury/yowies/ (Collectible checklist page)
Listowner: BURBURY Mailing List (and a few more as well)
Whilst we are on the topic of Invermay I wonder if those of you who know this town now and as it might have been about 80-90 years ago could say whether it would be the kind of town to have two storey brick-built terrace houses? I have an old family photograph which could be taken in Invermay. The house has a venetian blind at the front window, a small square of grass, then a low hedge with a gate of waist height. From the style of clothing worn by woman and her three young children, the photo would have been from around 1910-25. This is a comfortable home, nothing fancy, but comparing it with my great-grandparents' home in Mark Street, North Melbourne, weatherboard with a tin roof, pretty good.
When I say "terrace house" I mean the kind of homes built joining one another as was common in England for so long. The house in my photograph looks quite "English" but is definitely taken in Tasmania and part of my WALSH family (Thomas and wife nee Beatrice Taylor) lived in Invermay for many years.
Julie in Lincolnshire
Seeking any information on the following family. Last known of in Bell Bay area.
Descendants of Christopher TURNER
1 Christopher TURNER 1858 - 1931 b: Abt. 1858 in Netherthong, YKS, ENG. d:
23 April 1931 in TAS, AUS.
+Ada 1860 - 1881 b: Abt. 1860 in Fulstone, YKS, ENG. m: Unknown in ? d:
Aft. 1881 in ?.
......... 2 Norris TURNER 1880 - Unknown b: Abt. 1880 in Lockwood, YKS,
ENG. d: Unknown in AUS.
.................... 3 uk TURNER Unknown - b: Unknown in ?
.................... 3 uk TURNER Unknown - b: Unknown in ?
*2nd Wife of Christopher TURNER:
.. +Lavinia MARSDEN 1856 - 1927 b: Abt. 1856 in ENG m: Unknown in ENG. d:
13 June 1927 in TAS, AUS.
Dear List, having found "tas archives" and brief guide no 13, i note
"con 13-14 15 etc what do i have to do to access them , can i access
online or do i have to physically go some where to view. james vth
I wish to say thank you to all those people who helped me confirm the death
date of Willie Richards. It has been wonderful to see so many people willing
to help you. You are all a credit to genealogy and we would not be able to
get far without your generous help.
Give yourselves a pat on the back as you are extremely wonderful people.
Thank you so much
Cheers Debbie South Australia
Some of you may have received my personal message but some bounced.
I encourage people to plan their own reunion at our event and let me
know ASAP. There will be heaps to do and see and we expect it will be a
really interesting day. There will be talks and displays and lots of
other great stuff. And we promise good weather!! There are also art
exhibitions and historical displays throughout the town.
To date we have people coming from New Zealand, Queensland, NSW and
Victoria as well as all parts of Tasmania.
*BACK TO GEORGE TOWN DAY*
It looks like George Town is the place to be in early November as the
town commemorates the bicentenary of the first settlement in the north
of the island. This was on the east bank of the River Tamar where George
Town now stands
BOOKINGS NOW OPEN FOR YOUR OWN FAMILY OR GROUP REUNION
As part of the activities there will be a 'Back to George Town Day' on
the 13 November. We invite people with connections to the town or Port
Dalrymple region to organise to meet up with their friends at the
central meeting point in the Memorial Hall. The day will include
historical workshops, book sales and displays.
A large and varied program is planned for the Bicentenary commemorations.
Visit our web page for further information about the varied events at
Follow the links to the Bicentenary and George Town on Show Programs.
and visit the State Government's web page on
Please contact Diane for further information or if you would like to
book a table (no charge for this) for your reunion, displays or book sales
email bicentenary2004(a)yahoo.com.au or mgdp(a)southcom.com.au or telephone
6424 3191 or 0417 165 020.
I am hoping someone may be able to shed some light on the Marriage of
Michael Dooley and Mary Clarke that (according to Michael's Death Cert) took
place in Hobart Town in the late 1850's. It is also possible their daughter,
Mary Dooley, was born in Hobart Town in the late 1850's.