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I'm out of town for a while. Being old and obviously incompetent I now need
to ask how the 'ell does one unsubscribe? Been trying and bouncing mail
for a week. Would SKS please reply with a precise address.
I do have a copy given to me as a gift so if anyone needs lookups please
----- Original Message -----
From: sally hopwood <salhop(a)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:07 AM
Subject: re-AVR index
> I would like to say a big thank you to the people who responded to my
> request for information on how to obtain the AVR index for our library.
> I was unaware that it is illegal to buy it in Australia, and pretty
> like most people. However where there's a will there's a way and hopefully
> we will be able to have a copy sometime in the future, which will be a
> tremendous help to us here.
> Once again thank you everybody.
> Sally on the wild and wonderful West Coast of Tasmania
Howdy folks, I am wondering if the following two girls ended up marrying
into your trees, and if so, if you could please let me know.
Mary Ann Maude Ellis b 1892 married u DOWSEN
Lyla Ann GARD b approx 1900 married u NEVILLE
A great big warm thank you to all of you who responded with wonderful
information for Michael Thayer. You have all contributed to the knowledge of
a young man who is determined to educate himself. He has been discourgaged
most of his life.
I have tried to thank each of you individually, but if I have missed someone,
please know how much you are appreciated.
I will not take anymore of the Line's time.
Colleen from Turlock,California
I would like to thank all of those who helped me with my "travel" question.
My ancestors were James Mitchelson and Caroline Swinfield they married in
Hobart in 1859. I know they arrived in Tasmania after 1853. There is a death
for a James Mitchelson in Hobart in 1857 which I think is my James father.
Carolines sister Mary and brother John were both married in Hobart also. I
know this is a really broad query but does anyone out there know anything
further about these families.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 29 September, 2000 9:00 AM
Subject: AUS-Tasmania-D Digest V00 #408
Have you tried the FirstFamilies2001 site. The Cope/Athorn Family is on
there. It is http://www.firstfamilies2001.net.au/ and submitter is Marilyn
Kay Preiss. Maybe she has married?
Pat in NSW, Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: Elaine Hanford <ejhanford(a)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: Searching for Marily K. Colman
> Hi, you have all been so helpful in responding to my inquiries with
information on my COPE family ancestors -- thank you !!
> Now, I am searching for Marily K. Colman who apparently had a user home
page through Familytreemaker on William ATHORN and intermarried COPE family
members. I found an email address for her through networxnet.au -- but it
no longer is valid, and another email address through dialin.wcis.net.au but
have not gotten a reply. Does anyone know where she is or how I can get in
touch with her??
> Marily, if you read this, please reply.....
> I am researching Athorn & Cope family ancestors....my grandfather was
Herbert Henry Cope of Hobart, Tasmania. I saw apparently old references to
a homepage that you had on Familytreemaker on these families. Would you be
willing to share information?? I live in Kentucky (USA) which obviously
makes researching in AUS & TAS difficult.
> Thanks very much,
A big 'hear, hear' Douglas. Political correctness has no place in
I too will be CELEBRATING my ancestors, whether it is "acceptable" or
----- Original Message (edited) -----
From: "Douglas Burbury"
Subject: Re: 2003/4 COMMEMORATION
> And so I for one will be CELEBRATING the establishment of the penal
> of Van Diemen's Land, and no politically correct doubletalk from the
> Government or *any* lobby groups will dissuade me.
> Douglas Burbury
Alexander Lang was a very colourful character, he was featured in the
"Hobart Town (1804) First Settlers Association" Newsletter - March 1995
Vol XX11 No 1. re his diary. You may like to write to the Chairman Mrs
Freda Gray 2 Kadina St Cambridge 7170. phone 0362485352.
"Hammond, John" wrote:
> Hello Listers,
> I'm searching for information on Alexander Laing, resident, farmer and
> district constable at Sorell in the 1820's. family history and references
> to published information would be welcome.
> John Hammond
A recent message to this list contained the following:
>It is important we remember the activities will be to COMMEMORATE not
>CELEBRATE the first settlement of Europeans in the island. This is a
>request from the State Government. We must bear in mind the indigenous
>who were here first and were displaced by the Europeans and so it will be
>acceptable to commemorate but not celebrate.
With the full knowledge that this is an open list, and that messages sent
to this list are archived for the forseeable future, I would like to go on
record as saying:
I think the above policy from the State Government is a load of bollocks.
My ggg-grandfather was sentenced to death in England for a crime which --
as it later became apparent -- he did not commit. And what's more, this
happened four years before he had had a chance to sire my gg-grandfather! <g>
Petitions were made on his behalf by members of his community to spare his
life, and these petitions were successful, so that instead of being hanged,
he was transported to Van Diemen's Land in 1832. His son -- my
gg-grandfather --was then born at Oatlands, VDL in 1836. (Details on my
If new penal colonies had not been established in the Antipodes after the
loss of the American colonies by George III, what would have happened?
Possibly the petitions would have still been successful, but because
transportation was available as an alternative to capital punishment, maybe
it helped Thomas Burbury escape from the gallows, so that ultimately I
could be here today with all my outrage.
In addition, it seems that Thomas was *unemployed* at the time of his
arrest and subsequent trial. He was a weaver in Coventry at a time when the
weaving industry -- one of Coventry's principal industries at the time --
was in severe decline. After studying the situation in Coventry in general
and Thomas' own situation in particular, and comparing it with what Thomas
achieved after he came to VDL, I believe that being transported away from
Coventry to a new land filled with opportunity was probably the best thing
that could have happened to him.
And so I for one will be CELEBRATING the establishment of the penal colony
of Van Diemen's Land, and no politically correct doubletalk from the State
Government or *any* lobby groups will dissuade me.
E-mail: dburbury(a)vision.net.au ------------------ Launceston, Tasmania
http://www.vision.net.au/~dburbury/burbury.htm (Burbury family page)
http://www.vision.net.au/~dburbury/yowies/ (My Yowie Swaps page)
Listowner: BURBURY Mailing List
I have found the following marriages
Helen Evangeline (20)
married Mowbray Gray (32)
Hobart 15/6/1880 Ref. 272
Eleanor Maud Marion (Minor)
married William Robert Sale (Adult)
Pt. Sorrell 25/12/1886 Ref. 842
These are from the Pioneer CD Rom.
There were Richard's and Henry's but none with the given second names. If you can give me the birthdates, it will be easier - especially if they only used their first names.
Pam Bell, Melbourne........I also searched the AVRI for other states but the same problem with the second names.
Still looking for George Young, Station Manager about 1844, married to
Elizabeth Jane Andrews, with daughter Emma.
Have found listings for 1918 at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~austas/stations3.htm.drawn from Wises Trade
Suggestions re any earlier directories or lists of stations to which one
could refer would be great.
NAMES : ANDREWS / BRUMBY / FISHER / GROOM / LOUGH / MCKEON / PAGEY /
PHILLIPS / ROSIE / TERRY / TOMISON THOMPSON / VINCENT / WELSFORD / YOUNG
Prison classes in Tasmania 1826, gives an explanation of the system for
Convicts , of all classes in the year 1826, [which extended for several
It is of importance to note here that the Convict Department and the rules
governing the discipline and lodging of convicts continually evolved over
the years as different ideals of convict discipline were explored.
all the best
I have noted that there is some interest in the Tassie Bicentenary goings on
in 2003-4 so thought I would reproduce for the list an extract the following
from the Hobart Town 1804 First Settlers Association news letter and post it
Apologies for cross posting.
HOBART Town (1804)
First Settlers Association
Rt. Hon. Earl of Buckinghamshire.
TWO THREE -TWO FOUR
The Government of Tasmania has decided European settlement in Tasmania will
be remembered over more than one year that is from September 2003 to
December 2004, so taking in the first five settlements in Tasmania, while
Victoria will acknowledge the settlement of Sorrento on the 9th October 1803
with a series of events. The Victorian plans were launched in March. The
Tasmanian plans are still being prepared, though most centers have given
The five Tasmanian settlements to be acknowledged are Risdon Cove,
Sullivan's Cove (Hobart), York Town, George Town and Launceston.
A general committee of interested parties has been formed, with a series of
Since the Sesquicentenary of the City of Hobart in 1992, our association has
been preparing for the Bicentenary of Hobart's settlement, to identify
Hobart's founding families, the main task. We now know that 116 of the 433
present in Hobart Town in July 1804 have left descendents or "family" in the
widest sense. James AUSTIN and Joseph JOHNSON brought out their nephews to
benefit from their success, while others, such as Hugh GERMAIN and Alexander
CAMPBELL had 'step-children". Some, including John Pascoe Fawkner, adopted
children, or 'cared' for children, as the Chaplain did, so forming families
in the wider sense. Members research also has found there was a wider range
of ethnic backgrounds than expected for those in Lt. Governor David Collins
party, as well as occupations, for both bond and free.
As has been each year since the Association was formed in 1974, the Floral
Tribute will be the main event for the Bicentenary. The names of those who
left Spithead to establish the new settlement, to be placed on the First
Settler Memorial in Hunter Street, Sullivan's Cove. Permission for this has
been obtained from the Hobart Port Authority, who is responsible for the
Monument. The Association is to have plaques made and the Port Authority
will attach them. The unveiling of the names an important part of the Floral
Tribute for 2004. The only major problem now is the cost. Quotes will be
obtained in the very near future and ways in which to fund the project will
be put to members, Descendant Families and Friends.
The hunter Street Memorial is on 'Hunter Island', the eastern section of
Sullivan's Cove. The island has been greatly changed over the years, only
the plaques on the roadway showing the original line, and tidal causeway.
The Grand Chancellor Hotel, overlooking the settlement site, has accepted a
booking for a smorgasbord dinner in the evening of the 20th February 2004.
The 'Ballroom' has been booked which is capable of holding 800 people,
though it can be divided. In the not to distant future, an indication from
members and Friends will be requested, to obtain some indication of interest
in attending this function.
A Descendants Day has been planned for Saturday 21st February 2004 the
preferred sit, St David's Park, on the western side of the Cove. Bookings
for the Park are only accepted two years before the proposed event, though
an 'expression of interest' has been sent to the department responsible at
the Hobart City Council. In the 1920's the old burial ground of St. David's
was developed as a city park, no doubt Hobart's most beautiful. It is of
special significance to '1904' families, for a high percentage of early
settlers were buried on this site. Few memorials ands headstones remain
today. Though a Memorial Wall was established some years ago, on which the
remaining headstones were placed. There are a number of small plaques on the
Wall, but the placement of future ones is being strictly limited by heritage
rulings, so as not to take from the old surviving headstones. Only those
recorded in the cemetery records for St. David's will be considered and the
plaques and installation will be done by the Hobart City Council under the
guidance of the Heritage Officer.
Marquees can be erected in the Park, again by Council staff or nominated
firms, some families may like to have such a facility on 'Descendants Day'.
It has been suggested that 'family meeting sites' be available, perhaps in
alphabetical order, to be more easily located. An opportunity for Hobart's
youth, it is hoped. There are many excellent school bands in Hobart at
The well known Salamanca market should be in 'full swing' on that Saturday,
as it is on all others, an interesting place for locals and visitors alike.
One boundary of St. David's park being Salamanca Place.
Local bus companies serve all the surrounding areas, such as Newtown,
Glenorchy, Brighton and New Norfolk, regularly. There are also buses to
Sandy Bay, Taroona, Kingston, Bellerive, Rokeby (Clarence Plains),
Lauderdale (Sandford), Cambridge, Richmond, Sorell (Pittwater), Lewisham and
Carlton and many other places familiar, and of interest, to family
historian. There are still 'river steamers' serving the 'tourist', as well
as the 'locals' and of course it is expected the present 'Lady Nelson' will
be available for trips.
There are many displays already in the planning by the State Library and
Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery and no doubt the Maritime Museum, now in
Argyle Street, opposite the Tasmanian Museum. Hobart will be only one of
many busy places in 'Two Three Two Four'
The final 'gathering' suggested by the Association for Members and Friends,
is attending the morning service at St. David's Cathedral on Sunday 22nd
February 2004. It could be said that all '1804' families would have some
connection to 'St. David's, the first and only church in Hobart for the
early years, though not always in a building, as the Chaplain recorded.
Freda Gray (Mrs.) Margaret Andersen (Mrs.)
2 Kadina Road 92 Swanston Street
CAMBRIDGE Tas Aus 7170 Newtown Tas Aus 7008
ph/fax (03) 6248 5352 ph (03) 6228 3162
Dear Australian friends,
Please excuse me for an off-subject request. I tutor in an adult literacy
program. My student is a young man in his 30s who has little knowledge of
the world around him because of his reading disabilities. He is working very
hard and doing very well. I have incorporated some geography and social
studies into his reading program. He knows that Australia is a continent and
is also one country, which intrigues him. I can't imagine how thrilled he
would be to hear from someone from "Down Under". If any of you is
interested, would you send me an e-mail with a little information about your
area's history, geography or anything about your country which might interest
someone with no knowledge of it. His name is Michael Thayer.
By the way, we are sure enjoying your Olympics.
Thank you for your time!
Colleen in California
Hi, you have all been so helpful in responding to my inquiries with information on my COPE family ancestors -- thank you !!
Now, I am searching for Marily K. Colman who apparently had a user home page through Familytreemaker on William ATHORN and intermarried COPE family members. I found an email address for her through networxnet.au -- but it no longer is valid, and another email address through dialin.wcis.net.au but have not gotten a reply. Does anyone know where she is or how I can get in touch with her??
Marily, if you read this, please reply.....
I am researching Athorn & Cope family ancestors....my grandfather was Herbert Henry Cope of Hobart, Tasmania. I saw apparently old references to a homepage that you had on Familytreemaker on these families. Would you be willing to share information?? I live in Kentucky (USA) which obviously makes researching in AUS & TAS difficult.
Thanks very much,
Does anyone know what crime Elizabeth Watkins (who arrived on the ship
Platina in 1837 to Tasmania) was committed for or is there a site on the web
I can look don't want a lot of details just the crime Beryl Tasmania
Thanks to all who answered my query. I have been sent quite a bit of information on the McPhail family which I now need to sort through and see what I can find.
My next question will be going to Gippsland in Victoria as that is supposed to be where John Snr moved to.....
Thanks to all who took the time to look,
Pat in NSW
Could someone tell if it is possible to find out who was living at a
certain address in 1888. The reason I ask is that in my gg-grandmother
Margaret Leary's obit it said that she passed away at her son's home at 185
Liverpool St, Hobart, I have not been able to find this son in my research &
wondered if it might have been her son-in-law. Any help or advice would be
Regards & Thanks,