Re names this has all gotten bit confusing (I know it confuses me at
times) since changes have been made by the host organisation
concerning how emails on this discussion list are delivered.
I recall little or now confusion about this matter prior to such
relatively recent change made by the organisation running this and
many other similar discussion email lists.
But basically the situation always has been (unless on goes to
special trouble to post directly to a person off-list) that:
* Replies go to all listees - regardless of the persons who is
specifically addressed in relation to some matter (which is typically
left included so that the matter may be understood readily - despite
other request to keep in trimming "tails" of emails .... ?presumably
to cut down on the cost/volume of transmissions ..??).
As a matter of fact I am descended from David Burns whose first son
was James via his housekeeper Ann who he got from the Female Factory
and after a few more children arrived they walked around the corner
from where they lived, to St. John's Church, and were married by the
"flogging parson" - the Rev. Samuel Marsden. The got married
basically because the Government/Governor told them to (.. for
convicts with children to avail themselves of marriage). This was a
common pattern of the times in Parramatta and Sydney.
Also the reason why the flogging parson was likely not approached
earlier - I speculate - is because this parson was well known to
detest the uneducated Irish and also had flogged one of them badly to
try and make him talk (or 'sing' as the Irish put it) about imagined
hidden arms for an uprising. The young Irishman refused to sing,
and Marsden desisted with the flogging because (as he recorded) he
feared the man might die.
Nonetheless, despite some similarities of name and place, and common
factor of obtaining women from the female factory (the major source at
the time?), I doubt my James Burns is the same person as your James
Also a very murky/shadowy James Burn/s was the 'frontiersman' (i.e.
Nepean River man), kangaroo hunter and bit of an explorer, who was
deemed to know the Mountains and was hired by Blaxland, Wentworth and
Lawson as "guide" for their legendary-but-true crossing of the Blue
Mountains sandstone plateau in 1813.
According to someone in America who has been adding data into
... I am also traceable back to James the brother of
Wow .... myself and other Catholic relatives were absolutely
delighted to find we are so closely related to Jesus. But
researching the researcher who did this I found she is a minister in
some small obscure church on the west coast of the United States and
is also involved in the search for the Holy Grail etc etc --- and I
would place no faith at all in most of the connections she's added
into Ancestry back to two millennia ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JUDY PISCHKE" aus-pt-jackson-convicts(a)rootsweb.com
To:"Pam Dowling" , aus-pt-jackson-convicts(a)rootsweb.com 
Sent:Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:52:12 +1000
Would you please check who you are sending these emails to. My name
Helen or Pam.
I think you'll find that the Parramatta Female Factory was
before 1818, although the foundation stone for a new factory building
laid in 1818. Try Jen Willetts' excellent site:
At 11-08-14 14:58 +1000, Helen via wrote:
It seems that my ancestor, Mary Atkins, arrived per Minstrel in 1812
and having married in 1813 to James Burn was too early to be housed
the Parramatta factory. It was established in 1818 I believe.