Sadly, every tree I plant seems to die .. I'm unsure why.
But eucalypt propagation/'cloning' from mere cuttings IS a fact, I swear.
The Government knows how to do it, and I know that the first step is "put
in fridge overnight ...".
Beyond that I remain in the dark, but do hope to follow up on and learn more.
Theoretically .. or so my mind goes .. if you have a tree growing out of an
ancestor you can reproduce/'clone' that and send bits off to any or all
I've had a little project to in this way 'return' Ann Reffin to Walton on
the Wolds, in tree form .. which is where she originally came from.
Fanciful I know .. and making progress? ,, unfortunately 'little' ... yet I
cannot see why it is not feasible.
I would never think of bribing custom officials to get the tree past
national borders .. that would be a silly thought.
I'd always work via the correct and proper channels.
That may be why I've been making such poor progress in the matter?
Cannot even think of returning a tree-form of David to anywhere in Ireland
... another small 'tree of liberty'? ..... as we do not know if he really
fought on "liberty's" side or if he fought on the Government side .. or
even if he ever fought at all .. in 1798.
Nor even where exactly he came from in Ireland.
About all we know is that the Government must have at least SUSPECTED his
loyalty, as they exiled him to the God-forsaken New South Wales.. along
with a boatload of United Irishmen (Friendship I).
His wife wrote in glowing terms to the government about David's loyalty to
the Crown .. seemingly there never was a man so loyal as David, and in her
opinion he should be sent home from prison to his little family (six or so
must have been a little family in those days?) as they were destitute and
she was bed-ridden (she wrote .. or some agent wrote for her if she was
illiterate). If this would be done, his 'releasement', she'd no doubt pray
for ever more that the then lord governor or some member of his family
would ever rule over them.
Clearly they didn't listen to her, or didn't believe her, or maybe the
letter never got to anyone that 'counted', as David ended up here in NSW,
later at Castlereagh. And there he stayed.
I was going to look for your Catherine but now won't do so as I think from
what you write that you'd have more on it all than me anyway.
I also collect "other Byrnes" (early-in-NSW Byrnes) data, but all these
other ones are not related to David and Ann.
So far I've found very few researching these "other Byrnes'es" or that
others have written on them, and would appreciate references to any
booklets or anything to other early Byrnes'es. I'm not specifically
working on any, just a 'bit' interested in them .. and in Byrnes origins in
the general sense (there are multiple origins of the surname).
At 01:07 AM 30/01/2010 +1100, you wrote:
I haven't been to the graves but I have Patricia's book's (The Wilkinson
Handbook too). She is a wealth of information. Many years ago when I started
researching both of my Byrnes' lines I thought Catherine may have been
Ann's daughter (same time and place) but I soon found out that
married William Harris. It's a tough nut to crack.
As for cloning eucalypts sorry I can't help in that area. Any cuttings I ever
try to strike always seem to die!!
[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 9:55
Subject: Re: [PJ] Rejoining list-Reposting interests
For starters David Byrnes/Burns and Ann Reffin are side by side I suspect
No headstone but I believe I know where they are and whenever I go there I
back a bit of foliage from the "Ann Reffin" tree growing out
of her grave (or
where I think it is) .. but that tree is now on its last legs too and soon
foliage might be gone so I'm interested in how eucalypts can be
'cloned'/propagated. I know it can be done.
But are those you 'easy' ones? Re Catherine Byrnes or any other Penrith area
things, let me think on it a bit.
The "Byrnes Book" by Patricia Curry is the best source for all things
At 07:36 PM 29/01/2010 +1100, you wrote:
>Sorry that should have been Catherine per Southworth/Southwark 1832 not
>Providence 1811. Not off to a good start!
>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Lisa
>Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 5:39
>Subject: [PJ] Rejoining list-Reposting interests
>It has been a few years since I was on this list and my research has
>significantly since then, however I am still tracking down a few lines.
>Unfortunately their all the hard ones. This is why I'm back because I
>Firstly here are my identified convicts in no particular order:
>James Davis per Recovery (2) 1823
>Robert Whittaker per Mangles (3) 1824
>John Wilkinson per Royal Admiral 2 1800 David Byrnes per Friendship
>1800 Ann Reffin per Experiment 1804
>Here's where I need help in the first instant. The above mentioned
>married a lass by the name of Catherine Byrns/Byrne/Byrnes in 1844 at
>They had two daughters the last being born in 1851. The next record I
>find of the family is the eldest daughters marriage at Bathurst in 1867
>where James gives permission as she is underage. Catherine is not
>mentioned on the
>cert, only James is. I have thought Catherine probably died between
>1867 however I have been unable to confirm her death. As I can find no
>permission to marry for James and Catherine they were both probably
>free in 1844. Because Catherine had her last child in 1851 I have put
>of birth as 1801 and because no special permission was required for her
>I put her latest dob as 1823. Armed with these dates I have tracked
>Catherine Byrnes (inc spelling variants) that I could find that were
>from Ireland or born in the colony. Obviously there are more from
>England but I
>to start somewhere. I have ruled out all bar Catherine per Providence
>Catherines born in the colony to Richard Byrnes per Minerva, H Byrne of
>Campbelltown 1825 (Is this Hugh per Tellicherry?), J Byrne Appin
>2) and J Byrne Appin (Catherine aged 1) both in 1825.
>My hope is that someone who is descended from these Byrnes names may at
>the least be able to rule out the Catherines or better still confirm one for