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With the current thread being convict ages
My best efforts are
William Burr b.1808 Somerset Died 30th October 1900 Prospect, NSW aged 92 years (Arrived 1839 Theresa)
Francis Heness b.1800 died 9th August 1884, Appin, NSW aged 85 years (Arrived 1820 Shipley)
William Dean b.1776? died 7th November 1847, Eastern Creek, NSW aged 73 years according to headstone. (Arrived 1799 Hillsborough).
Among the female convicts
Sarah Darke was aged 50 years died 1828 (arrived 1796)
Elizabeth Hollingsworth aged 59 years (arrived 1804)
also, unknown deaths are (and any help appreciated)
Michael Rock arrived 1798 Barwell last heard of late 1830s in Goulburn, but son Thomas in 1841 census at Mt.Kiera, Illawarra.
Hi Lesley and Listers
A couple of days ago I wrote asking if anyone knew
anything about "convict stables" that were built or
occupied by convicts of the first or second fleet in
Harris Street Ultimo.
I have found an old map online which shows stables in
this area and am hoping that someone could point me in
the right direction as to where I could find more
information. There is very little at our small, local
library. Unfortunately, the story connected to the
map did not relate to the stables.
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Hi Lesley...you are doing a great job...would you
mind switching me back to
<lprendergast(a)ozemail.com.au> please as yahoo has
become very slow....Regards Lorna Prendergast
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It is interesting - your William Singleton's g.grandson - Edward Peter
Clarke, b. 1863 & d. 1935 married in 1892, my 1st cousin twice removed -
Mary Ann williams, b. 1st Oct 1866 & d. 10 Feb 1936.
> William Singleton. arrived "Pitt" 1792. died 1835, 83yrs.old.
I cannot add very much but Thomas Collins is in my tree, albeit a slight
distance off the main lines.
Thomas certainly lived with Johannah/Joanna/Joannah as man and wife and he
fathered two children. You have probably read the 1828 Muster which
recorded that Thomas and Joanna were "married" and living at Botany on 40
acres, 28 acres that are cleared with 10 acres under cultivation. They own 2
horses and 20 cattle and have two children, Eliza born c1826 and Thomas,
We have not discovered what happened to Joanna, but we know that Thomas, a
Irish Catholic from Waterford, married Alice Ryan at the Scots Church in
Sydney in 1837 and raised another family - this time 8 children. For such a
little guy, standing 4'10½" when he arrived, he became quite a big man in
the Bankstown area where he owned much land that he called Mt (Lewis) Loose.
Joanna may well have married again but I cannot identify a marriage.
Can I please claim two convicts
Samuel Whittall was transported on board the Admiral Gambier (2) in 1811 after being sentenced in 1810 to stealing from Kidderminster, at the Worcestershire, England. he was sentenced to Life.
Johanna Vickery /Keary was transported on board the Mary Ann (1) in 1816 after being tried at Middlesex in 1815 for stealing. She was sentenced to 7 years.
Johanna and Samuel married in 1817.
Samuel died in 1821 and Johanna was next heard of living with another convict by the name of Thomas Collins/Collings who was transported on the Baring.
If anyone else out there is researching these convicts I would love to hear from them.
In response to your questions regarding why the Lumber Yard (which had since
been closed) being used by female immigrants sent Port Jackson.
I beg leave to remark that in this colony there are but few public buildings
which were not constantly required for the purpose for which they have been
appropriated, and that to find accommodation of any sort for between two and
three hundred women in Sydney is a matter of some difficulty. The Lumber Yard
buildings were those which offered the greatest conveniences for the reception
of the emigrants, and the intercourse which they require to keep up with the
inhabitants in order to procure engagements. The enclosure of its walls at the
same time afforded to those, who were desirous of some protection from the
rudeness of ill-disposed persons. The apartments, through out of order, were
safe and furnished with the most needed articles for taking food and rest, and
generally, I believe, superior to such accommodation to the ship the women had
just left, and to the dwellings of many of them in the countries of their birth.
There were also amongst them some, who had probably been accustomed to better
lodging and better fare than was here provided for them; but there had been no
distinction made of cabins or rations during the voyage, and it would only have
added to the dissatisfaction of the majority to have commenced it on landing.
The complaint of badness of provisions is wholly without foundation, and the
ration, composed as stated in the margin*, will probably be considered as
furnishing not only what is required for mere sustenance, but also for some
degree of comfort.
During the period that the women, who arrived by the Red Rover were seeking
service, a committee of Ladies attended almost constantly at the Lumber Yard.
This attendance was but partially afforded to the women of the Bussorah
Merchant, and I believe not at all to those of the Layton. The description and
character of some of the women by the former vessel had rendered it hardly
possible to expect the presence and assistance of the ladies of delicacy, whilst
the females were engaging themselves. Women, who are an honour to human nature,
have been and continue to be found, who do not scruple to mix with the most
polluted of their sex for the purpose of reclaiming them from their vices; but
none such can be expected to appear as the Patroness of Prostitutes, or to
interfere in their engagements without the hope of doing good. The women,
however, have never wanted the best advice. When the Ladies of Sydney retired,
the Colonial Treasurer, Mr. Riddell, aided as far as his offical duties allowed
by Mr. Macpherson, the Collector of Internal Revenue, continued assiduously to
superintend the engagements and provide for the wants of the emigrants. Mr.
Riddell has extended his care to these women whilst one remained unengaged or
indisposed of, and has merited and obtained the thanks of the Government for his
Upon the whole, therefore, I cannot admit that the female emigrants have met
with any neglect from this government. Their wants on landing have been provided
for in the humble way to which most of them have been accustomed. Their
engagements in proper families have been facilitated as far as circumstances
permitted. The women are, however, free agents, and those, who seek to employ
them whether for good or evil, are in no way under control of the government.
Advice and persuasion are the only means which those, who interest themselves in
the fate of these females, have been able to adopt for their benefit, and it is
probably that in many cases these means have been ineffectual.
I beg to add that, if complaints have been made of the treatment of these women
on their landing, His Majestys Government may expect to hear a much louder
remonstrance, if measures of coercion are resorted to in order to obtain payment
of the promissory notes for Six Pounds, which many of these women, who were
unable to pay £5, have been required to give on leaving the United Kingdom. If,
in obedience to the commands of the Secretary of State, these women shall
hereafter be taken in execution here for the debt thus contracted on their
leaving their county, they will appear to be object deserving of commiseration
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The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology 1788 - 1849
From: Tony Stein & Darlene Thornton [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [PJ] Lumber yards
Sorry I haven't reply to anyone that has sent me anything in the last few months but I have had a major computer crash and lost all your details. So if you could email me again that would be great.
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Thank you very much for that info, Diane
It clears up why the premises was some of signifance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane Phillips" <mgdp(a)southcom.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: [PJ] Lumber yards
> Hi Lesley and Everyone
> The message about putting the women in the Lumber Yard might have
> sounded very strange to some listers. These Lumber Yards were not just
> open areas. I do not know much about the Lumber Yard in PJ but can
> throw a bit of light on the subject of Lumber Yards in general. The one
> I know about was in Van Diemen's Land at George Town.
> The George Town one was on the waterfront and had a stout fence around
> it. The blacksmith's and nail maker's shed were in this compound as well
> as other buildings. Apparently there was another shed there as Governor
> Sorell wrote to the Commandant of the northern settlement in 1820 about
> a shortage of clothing saying:
> 'Cloth or Slops and shoes will be sent; but it will be necessary to be
> prepared with Tailors; and I should recommend that some Tailors and
> Shoe-makers be collected and kept at work for making or repairing in the
> Lumber Yard [in George Town] as their Govt. Work.' (Ref, HRA, III, vol.
> 3, p. 117)
> This was the first Female Factory in George Town but it did not have any
> living quarters.
> I seems that the one in PJ might have been similar.
Today I have received some copies of material from the Kingswood Offices
of State Records.
Among them are some memorial petitions,
The signature at the bottom is strong, elaborate and appears to be
It is for George Sewell, convict, Somersetshire 1814. He was a
blacksmith and became allocated to his wife who arrived the next year
with their 5 children.
I am wondering if other listers have experienced signatures on such
records. There is no sign of a "X" mark. C an I presume the he may well
have signed the papers OR would someone else have signed on his behalf.
The signature seems to differ a little from the main writing although
what would appear to be similar writing to his signature, there is
inserted 'MOST RESPECTFULLY' prior to the following request
I would like to record him as 'able to read and write' if this is indeed
Hello Lesley & List.
These are some of my convicts.
William Singleton. arrived "Pitt" 1792. died 1835, 83yrs.old.
Thomas Rutter. arrived "Henry" 1823.died 1863. 60yrs.
Isabella Farrier. arrived "Edward" 1829.died 1876, 65yrs
John Isles. arrived "Tottenham" 1818.died 1872,76yrs.
My convicts seem to be a hardy lot.
1/Isaac Lancaster was born on the 12th April, 1789 in Butternere, Lorton,
Cumberland, England. He arrived in the Colony on September 7th, 1815 after
being tried and found guilty of stealing a couple of snuff boxes. At the age
of 59 years he married a daughter of convicts and went on to father 12
children. He spent most of his life in the Colony in the Broke/Fordwicke
area. He was my g.g.grandfather. Isaac lived till 16 February, 1888.
2/John Williams was born about 1812-14 in Nottingham and arrived in the
Colony on June 26th, 1833 on board the "portland" after being tried at
Coventry Assizes on August 3rd, 1831. He became a law-abiding person on the
property at Goorangoola near Singleton. In 1841 he married a convict, Mary
McAniney (aka Carmichael) and they had 12 children. He was my
g.g.grandfather. He lived to be 91 years old dying on the 29th December,
1903 at Bridgman.
3/Mary McAniney was born in Glasgow on Christmas Day of 1822. She arrived in
the Colony on the 10th November, 1839 on the "Mary Ann (2)" was being found
guilty of stealing a snuff box and a bedspread whilst in the company of 2
other girls, Martha Christie and Betsy McClusky. Mary lived till February
These 2 were directly related to me and I have numerous others, who I will
list later, who were related through marriage.
Keep up the great work, Lesley and many thanks to all those who have helped
me over the year,
St Clair, NSW.
Is this index only in the Mitchell library?
----- Original Message -----
> Hi Steve
> There is an Index on microfilm called
> FEMALE FACTORY
> Female Factory Index--Parramatta 1826--1848
> Indexed by Joan Reese.
I think I have tracked down the Mr Bust /Buist / Burt for whom my convict Benjamin Allen (Georgiana 1831) worked as a groom in 1853.
The Shipping Gazette (online) had a weekly listing relevant to produce, which included horse sales. The report was provided by a couple of different men, the one of interest was by a Mr Burt of Pitt Street. Mr Burt provided reports approx. weekly in 1852 and 1853, accounting for his horse sales, sometimes conducted at Stewart's Bazaar.
I would appreciate any assistance in working out where Stewart's Bazaar was in Pitt Street, and a Christian name for Mr Burt.
As an aside, horses seemed quite expensive, with draught horses selling in the 40 to 60 pounds range.
Regards, Warren Diggins
Just been checking through my family listings and found, one, Daniel Packer, b. 1796 Pottersbury.
Died 1880 Windsor. Transported per Morley.
He is my 3 great grandfather.
Also, Edward Merrick transported on the Surprise d. 1839 aged approx. 76.
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Hi Ron and List
Unfortunately , I cannot claim the Taree DYBALL, they did arrive as you
correctly noted Ron, as Convicts.
My DYBALL live arrived 1849 as free migrants, and promptly married into a
3rd generation convict family.
You know the old saying , my wife's line has all the blacksheep, in this
case it was true..
I will say, the Taree DYBALL's and all the DYBALL's I found in Oz, USA ,
CANADA & STH Africa, 90%originate in a 50 mile area of Norfolk England.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RON HARPER" <ronharper(a)optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:13 AM
Subject: [PJ] MORTALITY
> Late on the scene, I notice Richard Dyball's name on the list, so perhaps
> has already recorded his convict ancestor Thomas Dyball from Taree.
> Thomas Dyball was born 5 Feb 1809 and died at, Rawdon Island on the
> on 30 Jul 1905, in his 97th year, surviving his wife by 35 years.
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How old should our convicts be at death before we
submit them? Older than sixty, seventy or really, really old. I don't
think I have any much over 70 years. The whole question is: How is was
old then? Maybe living until sixty years was an achievement particularly
in a new colony with limited foods, venomous snakes and spiders and
limited medical supplies. We'd be lucky to last a week.
If you have a look at this site
will find Grevilles PO Directory sorted by Surname as well as
Town/suburb names and Advertisements.
A very useful tool
From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy(a)bigpond.net.au>
> It's a Post Office Directory for 1872 ..... a bit like a modern day