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Below is an e-mail that I had sent of to Roz Taylor who has been doing
some research on the FORRESTER line and came across the marriage of Robert
(1st Fleet) and A Jane WILSON. Could anybody shine a little light on this
as I know he was at least married once and lived with someone (Mary FROST
and Isabella RAMSAY/RAMSEY).
I hope that I can get an answer.
Steven L. CARR
(8th Generation Decendant of Robert FORRESTER, 1st Fleet 26 JAN 1788)
I found an entry in the book "The founders of Australia" by Mollie Gillen
where she writes that Robert Forrester was living with Jane Wilson at least
from 1814. She arrived aboard the "Surprize" 1794. I have not done any further
research into this relationship.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven CARR
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:18 AM
Subject: Robert FORRESTER & Jane WILSON
I came across your family tree on the RootsWeb.com Web Site.
I seen a marriage of Robert FORRESTER and Jane WILSON. Could you please
elaborate on this marriage as I have not found this in any other Family Trees,
including my research.
I hope that you can help.
Steven L. CARR
8th Generation Descendant of Robert FORRESTER (1st Fleet - 26/01/1788)
In March 1826 Bridget DEEBLE and John Calf were indicted for stealing from
Peter Robins 33 British Pound Sterling in Bank of England Notes. Found
guilty and sentenced to 14 years and to be transported to Australia.
Bridget was imprisoned in a Hulk for 7 months. She was transported on the
ship "Grenada" and arrived at Pt.Jackson, Australia, on Jan. 23rd, 1827
after a voyage of 137 days. Bridget's Convict Record says her religion was
Protestant. Her trade was Washerwoman, Height 5' ½", dark hair, hazel
eyes, scar over left eye. She was married with 3 children.
Bridget was assigned to Isabella Pension who lived on Castlereagh St.,
Sydney. Bridget died 1 ½ yrs. after her arrival at the age of 33 on July
There is a suspicion she gave birth to a child after her arrival in
Australia. Entry found in BDM, NSW :-
Isabella DEBEES, (note spelling) died 1881 at Parramatta - father John,
Any advice on how to prove this suspicion would be greatly appreciated.
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This year saw my GGGG grandmother arrive, convicted of house robbery in Ireland, she was sentenced for 7 years, spending the first couple of years in the Female Factory in Parramatta, NSW.
Quite a character....
Seeing that this thread has moved quickly to 1826 and 1827 - the following events occured to my convicts
August 14 - John Dean and Sarah Snowden married at St John's Parramatta.
November 7 - William Dean in court (again) charged with furious driving through the town of Windsor - fined 5 shillings.
January 7 - baptism of Elizabeth, Ann and Martha Dean at St John's Church, Parramatta.
February 22 - Certificate of Freedom - Francis Henness (Shipley)
May 22 - Maria Heness - first child of Francis Heness and Mary Ann Rock at Sutton Forest, NSW
Dear Lesley and List
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on the family connections of Margaret
Moore who arrived in Australia in 1824 aged about 17, as one of the small
number of free women on the Almorah (3). The following year Margaret
married James Russell (convict per Dick 1821).
Margaret appears to have had family in Sydney: evidence given at a court
case in early 1828 (a domestic violence incident resulting in Margaret
having James charged) refers to Margaret stating she would spend the night
with her mother. One possibility is that she was the daughter of Mary Moore
(CF Thames 1826, wife of Laurence Moore, convict per Isabella 1822) as both
the Russells and Moores were living in George St at the time of the 1828
Census. However, there's considerable circumstantial evidence to suggest
Margaret married Laurence and Mary Moore's son Daniel after James' death in
1834. Daniel Moore and his wife Margaret, formerly Russell, were my
g-g-grandparents, and lived in Maitland and Newtown during the 1830's and
40's before Daniel settled at Ilford near Mudgee. Margaret may be the
Margaret Moore, Almorah who died at Newtown in 1845. Unfortunately Daniel's
death certificate doesn't say where or what year he was married, or his
wife's former surname although the birth certificates of his children give
her maiden name variously as both Moore and Russell and the death
certificate of his eldest child gives Margaret's maiden name as Moore.
Has anyone found a family connection between Margaret and someone else on
that voyage of the Almorah (or already in Sydney), or have any information
about her after James Russell's death? And does anyone know of the
existence and whereabouts of information about the free women and children
on the Almorah, and/or the Surgeon Superintendent's journal?
The year 1824
January 30 - French author Rene Primevere Leeson visiting with Dumont d'Urville - takes a trip to Bathurst along the Western Raod and describes William Dean "Half-way along the road is a Tavern and a Tollbar, and i have never been able to recover from my astonishment at the "immense corpulance" of the proprietor, Mr William Dean.
March 21 - Mary Lyons - daughter of John Lyons and Mary Page married to John Rose - St Matthews Church, Windsor.
March 24 - licences for sale of beer and spirits - William Dean, Eastern Creek and Andrew Snowden, Parramatta.
June 18 - William Dean charged with assaulting Constable John Slater and his wife Catherine on 22nd May 1825 appearing Parramatta Court House.
Verdict - fined 1 shilling 3 pence for assault on John Slater, fined 1 shilling 3 pence for assault on Catherine Slater and discharged.
September 17 - John Reardon (Castle Forbes) on list of convicts employed by John Lyons, Wilberforce.
Hello Lesley and Listers,
1826 - A son, Sylvester is born to Sylvester and Ann.
1827 - Joseph marries Mary Ann O'Donnell in Wilberforce, NSW
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Sorry, I'm a bit early, but we're off to Sorrento for the commemoration of 200 years since the first white settlement in Victoria (the original orders were for the 2 ships (with their free settlers and convicts) to go to Port Jackson but the orders were changed at the last moment.
1828 - My 4xgreat grandmother, Mary Guest (nee Bateman, from the "Lady Juliana") dies in the Liverpool Lunatic Asylum (which was in the old rectory of St Luke's CofE Liverpool - NOT the current TAFE college which only ever accepted male patients). Am not sure in which of the 3 early Liverpool grave sites she is buried (St Luke's churchyard; what is now Apex Park; or what is now the Pioneer Park). She should not have been a buried as a pauper as her husband, George (ex "Alexander" - 1st fleet) had land holdings and was up and down from Hobartown driving Gov. Macquarie mad with his various requests/demands.
Lesley and Listers,
Friday, 28th January, 1825
Constable Benjamin Nichols charges laid again him for allowing prisoners
to escape from the Tread Mill. (Reel 6063; 4/1784 pp.315, 318)
Sir James Brisbane 52 dies in Sydney in December, 1826. From the Sydney
'.The Death of Commodore Sir James Brisbane will be identified with an
Event which forms an Epoch in the Annals of the Colony - the Arrival of
the first Line of Battle Ship-and will be handed down with it, as a
Record to Posterity.
His Excellency has been pleased to order, that Arrangements be
immediately made for the Funeral, which is to take Place To-morrow
Afternoon, at 5 o'clock.
The procession will be formed as follows: - The Funeral Party to consist
of 200 men, of the Royal Marines and the 3d Regt. of Foot. The bands of
the 3d and 57th Regts. The Hearse, with the Body. The Governor and
Lieutenant Brisbane, as Chief Mourners. The Six Senior Officer of
H.M.S. Warspite, as Mourners. Two hundred Seamen, formed four deep.
The Commodore's Coxswain. Midshipmen of the Squadron formed four deep.
Warrant Officer, four deep. Lieutenants and Ensigns of the Army and
Marines. Captains of the Army, and Lieutenants of the Navy. Captains
of the Navy, and Field Officers of the Army. Officers of the Civil
Services. Members of the Council. Private Gentlemen. The Whole to
assemble at Government-house at 4 o'clock. By his Excellency's Command.
In the body of St James Church of England in King Street, is the
memorial to Commodore Sir James Brisbane, he was a naval commander who
died in Sydney on the way to South America. He was the cousin of an
early Governor, Sir Thomas Brisbane. The work is by Sir Francis
Chantrey, the famous English sculptor and is the oldest memorial in the
church. It is placed close to where the Governor's pew was in the old
arrangement of the church.
December, 1826 - Sydney Gazette.
His Excellency the Governor is pleased to approve the following
Alterations in the Police of the Colony. In the Town of Sydney - To be
Constables - Peter Callaghan from the 8th ultimo - William Small 19th
ultimo - John Cuffe, 15th instant. Resigned, Michael Downing, from the
9th Ultimo - Dismissed, JOHN PEARCE and Thomas Salmon, for Drunkenness
on the 15th instant.
Janice and Alan.
Lesley and Listers,
The Sydney Gazette, regarding the exploits of Constables John Pearce and
'.On Wednesday 20th December 1826 John Pearce was dismissed from the
force and given 12 months for assault. John Pearce, Benjamin Nicholls
and Peter Butler as Sydney Constables, are charged under oath by Thomas
Parish, residing at Parramatta Road, about four miles out of Sydney, did
assault Thomas Parish - all committed to trial for the assault.
They did forcibly enter Parish's dwelling-house, at or about the hour of
ten in the night of the 1st instant and committed a violent and severe
assault on and desperately wound his person, with other outrages, as
detailed in his deposition which was partly confirmed by the testimony
of a woman, named Alice Wilcox, who lived in the same house and was in
bed at the time the constables entered the dwelling.
The accused parties did not deny having gone into the house, but which
they declared they entered in consequence of information that a
Bushranger was concealed there. The Bench considering that nothing
could justify so violent an outrage, at such an hour of the night, under
all the circumstances, ordered the three constables to stand committed
for trial. They were afterwards admitted to bail.
On 17th January 1827 John Pearce was re appointed a constable, he had
only served a month of his sentence and it would appear that Constable
Pearce was needed back in the force..'.
Janice and Alan
Hello Lesley and List,
Robert JAMES is a curious character.
Yep accused as a "common thief" however a twist emerges as the plot thickens ... There seemed to be distinctions between "common thieves", and those who "pinched" laundry from the pleaching green :o)
Robert has been researched by others... ... ... :o)
My own research has been contained regarding Robert JAMES, basically because the information I have is received from others.
Robert JAMES retained a wife in Scotland.
Catherine "Kitty" nee FLANAGAN.
A daughter of Robert JAMES and "Kitty" Catherine nee FLANAGAN, Isabella married Francis AXAM per "Mermaid" 1830, a convict
My research interests are "Convict Arrivals" 1825 - 1835 with "Assignments to the Illawarra" any connections to "Mermaid" 1830.
From my data base.
The following eight convicts were assigned to John Cory of Cory Vale,
Paterson River. The spellings are as given on the indents, which do not
necessarily coincide with subsequent records.
* GAVIN Mathew Ann & Amelia 1825
* KEATING Daniel Castle Forbes 1824
* DALY Denis Isabella 1823
* RYAN Michael Castle Forbes 1824
* McDONNELL John Prince Regent 1824
* POOR John Castle Forbes 1824
* TALLENT Michael Ann & Amelia 1825
* CATHERWOOD John Prince Regent 1824
In November 1825 Thomas Rice (Fortune 2) was granted a Conditional
Pardon. Thomas was a dairy farmer and supplied milk to the colony.
On Tuesday 3 January 1826 Francis Keveney aged 20, arrived in the colony on
"Sir Godfrey Webster". Francis was charged for stealing heifers in Co.
Sligo on 15 March 1825 and sentenced to 7 years transportation.
On Saturday 1 April 1826 Thomas Kaveney's Ticket of Leave No. 26/81 was
issued. Thomas and Francis were brothers (despite different spelling of
surname). Later this surname was changed to Cavanagh.
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On 1 September 1824 Mary Sandall, daughter of Samuel Sandal per Barwell 1798 & Sarah Whaley per Speedy 1800 married John Foreman Staff, their first child James Samuel Staff was born in 1825 at Seven Hills.
The birth of John son of Thomas McCormick per Guildford 2 1816 & Mary Jones (daughter of Jane Mitchell per Speke 1 1809) took place 2 January 1824.
Ann Elliott alias Alexander was a Laundress, and widow aged 31 with 4 children,who was tried in Edinburgh in 1826, for stealing clothes. Given 7 years, and transported to PJ.and thence to Tasmania. There she married William Taylor. Regards, Tricia Harvey
By 1823 most of the secondary punishment convicts stationed at Newcastle had
been moved from Newcastle to Port Macquarie. Only a few remained in
Newcastle to work the mine, cut timber and labour in the town, More on these
In 1822 a Convict Penal settlement was established at remote isolated Port
Macquarie and the Hunter Valley was rapidly settled with mainly well-to-do
free settlers. These settlers soon petitioned for a good overland route to
the markets in Sydney.
In September 1821 Morrisset the Commandant at the Newcastle penal settlement
wrote to Governor Macquarie
'I much fear that it (Howe's Track now the Bulga Road; Windsor to the Upper
Hunter) will cause many of the prisoners to run from this station. They have
been kept here with the greatest difficulty. The trees have, I understand,
been cut to mark the road from the settlement to near Windsor.
The last of my direct line of convicts was Charles Jones who arrived in 1826 on the "Marquis of Hastings"
He had been sentenced to Life in 1825 in Middlesex he was a servant 20 years old 5ft 6 3/4 ins, had a pale
complexion, grey eyes and dk brown hair, also a "Bald mark back of head and over right ear"
Regards Ann (Sydney)
The second and last MacGonagallism (is that cheering I hear from the other
side of the world?!!)
Four long years since sentence had been passed
Languishing in hulks, and now shipped out at last.
Robert Judd or Irish Bob as he liked to be known
On The Marquis of Hastings sailed from Portsmouth Town.
In April Eighteen Twenty Seven, this her second trip
With a hundred and sixty eight convicts, all male, on this fine ship.
One of the fastest journeys ever made
One hundred and four days via Tenerife before she laid
Alongside at Port Jackson harbour
And discharged her human cargo destined for hard labour.
We think our man fell ill whilst on the ocean broad,
Disposed of straight to hospital. (Unless it was a fraud).
A few weeks later assigned to Sydney's Robert Cooper, Brewer
Getting a job he liked and knew as Malster.
For on his Indent is writ a Brewer and a Dairyman
A mistake perchance, in his Ulster accent he might have said "A drayman".
And so we leave our hero surrounded all with booze,
A job full of temptation which he was bound to lose.
For in the future drunkenness and disobedience to orders is the norm,
Absconding and destroying his Master's property at Inverarie is something he
did and quite obviously true to form.
Tony Sweeting, North Wales UK.
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