Ok guys Please enough!!! - isn't this what the USGenWeb-all is for? I really
don't want my puter clogged down everyday with arguments. If you must, please
do so amongst yourselves.
While I may be new - I understand this - there is alot of tension about where
to put the information - obviously the decision lies with the submiter- the
request should be for both - no matter how redundant. I for one plan to do
that. I want both my county and my archives to be the best I can make it to
be - and the people I am ultimately responsible to is my searchers.
All of this sounds like high school- you said this he said that - quiet
honestly - it's done - it's over so get over it and let's face the next
issue
please. It seems silly and bad on the nerves to rehash the already done.
Nothing, and I do mean nothing, can be accomplished by re-hashing - I take
that back - something can be accomplished, ill will, anger and an ulcer - none
of which I want. Please Please Please let's keep our eyes on the ball and not
the last game - we are all genealogists - let's try to deal with that.
Pointing fingers gets us nowhere - we need to learn from our mistakes not
rehash them. So let's learn, move on and breath.
I for one would like to know information about the Archives rather then
something which occured before I even got on board with USGenWeb. I came on
board because I believe in the idea of genealogy. Isn't that why we all
did? How did our egos get in the way - for that matter why are they in the
way? This really isn't about us - but about our common goal of genealogy - we
all need to remember that . If I fail to do my job and don't do my job - you
can bet my last dollar I would expect my "superior" to replace me for someone
who can. I would also expect to be given a chance to "clean up my act" -
sounds to me as if in every instance of the problem this was done. Have you
ever known someone to say - "Hey I really didn't do my job" - when they
hadn't? In fact they say "I had". Please remember there is more then 2
sides
to the truth and you all have made that point very loud and very clear. Only
they realy know the truth.
Now off my soapbox and please stop clogging my e-mail box- 40 messages on this
is enough in one day
Barbara Lavin
Schuylkill County PaGenWeb
Schuylkill County Archives
Union County FLGenWeb
Denbighshire WalesGenWeb
WalesGenWeb
Angus ScotlandGenWeb
Timothy Spence wrote:
Linda Lewis wrote:
>
> Joy is right, the removal of Kenny is an issue that should be discussed
> elsewhere.
If Kenny had been removed in a proper way, there would be no
discussion. Remember that.
>
> But, let me get what you said straight.
>
> You said the KS by-laws did what they were supposed to do.
>
> --- There are no KSGenWeb by-laws, so how did they do anything?
KS.incorporated as a non-Prf. You could do no more damage than you did
or you would have.
>
> You said the point is that ever since KS incorporated they have been a
> target by some in the USGW.
Linda, a target is never stated by those who have done the targeting,
>
> --- I'm not aware of any targeting of KSGenWeb. I can assure you that
> the filing of papers by KS or any other group had nothing to do with the
> replacement of Kenny as an archivist for the USGenWeb Archives. He was
> removed, as I said before, because there were complaints from submitters
> that he was not uploading files to the USGenWeb Archives as they had
> requested. They were complaining to me. When I asked him about it, he
> said "they are my customers, anyway." He had told a couple people that
> he was instructed by the state coordinators to *not* upload anymore new
> files to the USGenWeb Archives, and they complained to me.
>
> Those facts are documented. Those that complained choose not to speak
> out at this time because of possible retaliation. I respect their
> wishes. The USGenWeb Archives Board rep has communicated with one of
> those parties and has permission from them to share their experience
> with the Board only.
>
> I would appreciate it if you wouldn't make accusations about things for
> which you have no facts.
Linda, Is it not a fact thet Ken was removed with out benefit of a legal
vote by the board? Is it not a fact that, you changed his password,
replaced the KS "TOC" and appointed two people to take his place?
Again I will say it is not where he was uploading his files. Your
conduct in replacing him is in question as far as I am concerned. You
may be right on the files but you were wrong in the way you went about
replacing him...
>
> If you think the coordinators and/or volunteers of the USGenWeb Archives
> have a "hidden agenda", please ask it directly instead of hinting that
> there is one. I will answer you now - there is no hidden agenda. We are
> all here for the same purpose, to provide free data for researchers. If
> I didn't believe in that, I wouldn't be spending as much of my time on
> this project. I wouldn't be spending so much time transcribing data for
> the Archives. Most of us are not only involved in receiving, formatting,
> and uploading files, we are also transcribing data for permanent
> storage.
You are right, I am one of those volunteers doing the above work. I
dont think there is a "hidden agenda" by the volunteers. It is more a
over zealous project coordinator or a group of block voting members of
the board I worry about. But if there is no problem or plan, there
should also be no problem in making proper amendments to the bylaws and
making it clear to submitters that their information is no longer
their's but property of the USGW. Unless you make a couple of changes
that is what it is in a nut shell.
Linda, the bylaws are important, some pushed very hard for them. I
expect myself to be held to them, by the same token I will hold the
board and project coordinators to them as well.
>
> We are in the process of uploading actual census images to the
> archives_html directory. We have hundreds of volunteers transcribing
> census microfilm (me included) to put online for researchers.
I am in the process of transcribing the 1850 Clay Co. census and 7
cemeteries in Owsley Co that I surveyed Monday. What is your point? To
impress, or to imply that what you are doing is more important than what
I am doing? I dont think so.
>
> The USGenWeb Archives have become a "valuable" entity, which we expected
> when we were planning them, and put in place strict guidelines that
> would protect the intention of the volunteer submitters. I'm sorry if I
> take it personal when people attack the Archives and any of the
> thousands of people that have built it to what it is now, but we are
> trusted to do what we say on the main page of the Archives and in the
> guidelines. That has been stressed over and over to the archivists, and
> the USGenWeb Archives have gained a well-deserved respect in the
> genealogical community, even recognized by the National Genealogical
> Society. The integrity of the Archives and everyone involved in it is
> being attacked by our fellow volunteers... but why??
Not everyone is being attacked Linda, realy no one is being attacked.
There are some things that need to be addressed and fixed.
Linda, I stated three reasons, you have not addressed one of them with
any real effort to this point. I agree the archive are important or I
would not be involved. a couple of simple things should be done to make
submitters and archivists comfortable. Rather than address the problems
you are tellig me how important the archives have become.
Tim Spence
>
> Thanks, and I apologize for the lengthy message.
>
> Linda
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